Salary cap
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Henkka
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If Detroit sold out every home game, why would Ilitch be worried about ticket sales?
2017-2018 NHL Attendance - National Hockey League - ESPN
Imo, only thing he could be worried about, is the product. Why the ticket holders are not joining games. Tickets are sold but seats are empty.
Bring in new kids, sign some known free agents, make a trade = the way to make the product interesting. Not probably winner or better, but interesting. That means using the full cap.
FireBird71
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Lol, not all the tickets that are "sold" are actually even sold. Attendance totals are not regulated whatsoever and a once-great but now desperate franchise with considerable wealth can afford to comp all kinds of tickets, regardless of whether it gets butts in seats to spend money on merch.
Here's an intersting article that touches on some of the back-door policies designed to create great optics for fan interest, despite being very misleading:
The Carolina Hurricanes are almost always last in NHL attendance, and that’s (at least partly) by design
Also, Detroit was running all kinds of sexy promos and contests for current season ticket holders this season but folks could only qualify if they renewed their season tickets. Clearly thats an issue for them and they'd have that data sitting in their lap while they were deciding their off-season game plan.
Henkka
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Estimate:
1. Larkin - 6.300M (RFA-estimation)
2. Zetterberg - 6.081M
3. Nielsen - 5.250M
4. Nyquist - 4.750M
5. Mantha - 4.500M (RFA-estimation)
6. Abdekader - 4.250M
7. Helm - 3.850M
8. Athanasiou - 2.500M (RFA-estimation)
9. Glendening - 1.800M
10. Bertuzzi - 1.400M
11. Rasmussen - 894k
12. Svechnikov - 863k
----------------------
13. Frk - 1.050M
14. Witkowski - 750k
LTIR - Franzen - 3.954M
1. ? ? ?
2. DeKeyser - 5.000M
3. Kronwall - 4.750M
4. Ericsson - 4.250M
5. Daley - 3.167M
6. Jensen - 813k
-----------------
7.Hicketts - 635k
1. Howard - 5.292M
2. ???
Carryover bonuses from 2017-18
755k (Larkin + Bertuzzi)
Buyout caphits
Weiss - 1.667M
Ouellet - 167k
TOTAL CAPHITS
74.689 M
Cap Space
4.811 M
Maximum Cap Space through Franzen LTIR
8.866 M
So there's ~8-9 million room to get 1 defenceman and a backup goalie.
1. Larkin - 6.300M (RFA-estimation)
2. Zetterberg - 6.081M
3. Nielsen - 5.250M
4. Nyquist - 4.750M
5. Mantha - 4.500M (RFA-estimation)
6. Abdekader - 4.250M
7. Helm - 3.850M
8. Athanasiou - 2.500M (RFA-estimation)
9. Glendening - 1.800M
10. Bertuzzi - 1.400M
11. Rasmussen - 894k
12. Svechnikov - 863k
----------------------
13. Frk - 1.050M
14. Witkowski - 750k
LTIR - Franzen - 3.954M
1. ? ? ?
2. DeKeyser - 5.000M
3. Kronwall - 4.750M
4. Ericsson - 4.250M
5. Daley - 3.167M
6. Jensen - 813k
-----------------
7.Hicketts - 635k
1. Howard - 5.292M
2. ???
Carryover bonuses from 2017-18
755k (Larkin + Bertuzzi)
Buyout caphits
Weiss - 1.667M
Ouellet - 167k
TOTAL CAPHITS
74.689 M
Cap Space
4.811 M
Maximum Cap Space through Franzen LTIR
8.866 M
So there's ~8-9 million room to get 1 defenceman and a backup goalie.
Henkka
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Update:
1. Larkin - 6.100M ? (RFA-estimation)
2. Zetterberg - 6.081M
3. Nielsen - 5.250M
4. Nyquist - 4.750M
5. Mantha - 4.500M ? (RFA-estimation)
6. Abdelkader - 4.250M
7. Helm - 3.850M
8. Athanasiou - 3.000M
9. Vanek - 3.000M
10. Glendening - 1.800M
11. Bertuzzi - 1.400M
12. Rasmussen - 894k
----------------------
13. Frk - 1.050M
14. Witkowski - 750k
15. Franzen - 3.954M
1. Green - 5.375M
2. DeKeyser - 5.000M
3. Kronwall - 4.750M
4. Ericsson - 4.250M
5. Daley - 3.167M
6. Jensen - 813k
-----------------
(7. Hicketts 635k) cap figure not count on 1st day, sent down at season start, called up when Franzen put on LTIR.
1. Howard - 5.292M
2. Bernier - 3.000M
Carryover bonuses from 2017-18
755k (Larkin + Bertuzzi)
Buyout caphits
Weiss - 1.667M
Ouellet - 167k
TOTAL CAPHITS
83.390 M
Cap Space
-3.890 M
Maximum Cap Space through Franzen LTIR
0.064 M
Roster is count as 15+6+2 = 23 players with Franzen. When Franzen put on LTIR, Hicketts called up as 7th D.
also If Holland will want to maximize the LTIR cap space, putting Rasmussen "down" and 925k Pope up for 1st day makes that trick.
I had earlier a mistake, where I was all the time counting a 24-man roster.
1. Larkin - 6.100M ? (RFA-estimation)
2. Zetterberg - 6.081M
3. Nielsen - 5.250M
4. Nyquist - 4.750M
5. Mantha - 4.500M ? (RFA-estimation)
6. Abdelkader - 4.250M
7. Helm - 3.850M
8. Athanasiou - 3.000M
9. Vanek - 3.000M
10. Glendening - 1.800M
11. Bertuzzi - 1.400M
12. Rasmussen - 894k
----------------------
13. Frk - 1.050M
14. Witkowski - 750k
15. Franzen - 3.954M
1. Green - 5.375M
2. DeKeyser - 5.000M
3. Kronwall - 4.750M
4. Ericsson - 4.250M
5. Daley - 3.167M
6. Jensen - 813k
-----------------
(7. Hicketts 635k) cap figure not count on 1st day, sent down at season start, called up when Franzen put on LTIR.
1. Howard - 5.292M
2. Bernier - 3.000M
Carryover bonuses from 2017-18
755k (Larkin + Bertuzzi)
Buyout caphits
Weiss - 1.667M
Ouellet - 167k
TOTAL CAPHITS
83.390 M
Cap Space
-3.890 M
Maximum Cap Space through Franzen LTIR
0.064 M
Roster is count as 15+6+2 = 23 players with Franzen. When Franzen put on LTIR, Hicketts called up as 7th D.
also If Holland will want to maximize the LTIR cap space, putting Rasmussen "down" and 925k Pope up for 1st day makes that trick.
I had earlier a mistake, where I was all the time counting a 24-man roster.
rhef3
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Henkka
Registered User
It would clear 4M of that contract.
We can use the summer cap as much as 10% of full 79.5M cap = 7.95M maximum.
With Franzen already there, it would ease ~4M with Zetterberg (Franzen 3.954M+Zetterberg 3.995M), 2.11M left on the books.
If AA just got $3m, $4.5m strikes me as optimistic for Mantha. How many years do you figure that accounts for?
Pavels Dog
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Are there any more recent news on Larkin? Earlier reports had him at around 5 million.
rhef3
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The Grind Line: Detroit Red Wings Roster Chaos
Interesting link, One has to wonder that there is a trade or 2 looming in the near future to get us cap compliant, I think nyquist is first one out and i believe it will be soon 4.75 million.
or is kronwall going ltir ?
or is Z gonna hang them up ?
I know there is still time, but i'm starting to get a little anxious here.
Interesting link, One has to wonder that there is a trade or 2 looming in the near future to get us cap compliant, I think nyquist is first one out and i believe it will be soon 4.75 million.
or is kronwall going ltir ?
or is Z gonna hang them up ?
I know there is still time, but i'm starting to get a little anxious here.
Mlotek
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Henkka
Registered User
Same.
Paying Larkin that much is basically like giving him 9+ a year if he were a UFA right now.
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Pavels Dog
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He then says "if Larkin signs for 5 million, Detroit will be fine". Hey.. 5 million? That's exactly the rumored contract.. huh.
rhef3
Registered User
It's more of a conversation about how tight our cap could be and if a trade is on the horizon to stay under.
I know it's easy to just say "this guy doesn't know what he's talking about" but I would like to know what would be the plan going forward with possible moves.
I know it's easy to just say "this guy doesn't know what he's talking about" but I would like to know what would be the plan going forward with possible moves.
Henkka
Registered User
Final update:
1. Larkin - 6.100M
2. Zetterberg - 6.081M
3. Nielsen - 5.250M
4. Nyquist - 4.750M
5. Abdelkader - 4.250M
6. Franzen - 3.954M (put on LTIR, Rasmussen comes in as a replament player)
7. Helm - 3.850M
8. Mantha - 3.300M
9. Athanasiou - 3.000M
10. Vanek - 3.000M
11. Glendening - 1.800M
12. Bertuzzi - 1.400M
----------------------
13. Frk - 1.050M (later waived and Rasmussen 894k called up)
14. Witkowski - 750k
1. Green - 5.375M
2. DeKeyser - 5.000M
3. Kronwall - 4.750M
4. Ericsson - 4.250M
5. Daley - 3.167M
6. Jensen - 813k
-----------------
7. Hicketts 635k
1. Howard - 5.292M
2. Bernier - 3.000M
Carryover bonuses from 2017-18
755k (Larkin + Bertuzzi)
Buyout caphits
Weiss - 1.667M
Ouellet - 167k
TOTAL CAPHITS
83.390 M
Cap Space
-3.890 M
Maximum Cap Space through Franzen LTIR
0.064 M
Roster is count as 14+7+2 = 23 players with Franzen.
All in a nutshell.
- Roster with Hicketts, Frk and Franzen LTIR will set the salary cap for the season.
- Waiving Frk and calling up Rasmussen is the most realistic starting team.
1. Larkin - 6.100M
2. Zetterberg - 6.081M
3. Nielsen - 5.250M
4. Nyquist - 4.750M
5. Abdelkader - 4.250M
6. Franzen - 3.954M (put on LTIR, Rasmussen comes in as a replament player)
7. Helm - 3.850M
8. Mantha - 3.300M
9. Athanasiou - 3.000M
10. Vanek - 3.000M
11. Glendening - 1.800M
12. Bertuzzi - 1.400M
----------------------
13. Frk - 1.050M (later waived and Rasmussen 894k called up)
14. Witkowski - 750k
1. Green - 5.375M
2. DeKeyser - 5.000M
3. Kronwall - 4.750M
4. Ericsson - 4.250M
5. Daley - 3.167M
6. Jensen - 813k
-----------------
7. Hicketts 635k
1. Howard - 5.292M
2. Bernier - 3.000M
Carryover bonuses from 2017-18
755k (Larkin + Bertuzzi)
Buyout caphits
Weiss - 1.667M
Ouellet - 167k
TOTAL CAPHITS
83.390 M
Cap Space
-3.890 M
Maximum Cap Space through Franzen LTIR
0.064 M
Roster is count as 14+7+2 = 23 players with Franzen.
All in a nutshell.
- Roster with Hicketts, Frk and Franzen LTIR will set the salary cap for the season.
- Waiving Frk and calling up Rasmussen is the most realistic starting team.
WingedWheel1987
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Wings rocking the most expensive roster in the league once again and it's not just some smoke and mirrors either. Take away Franzen's cap hit and you are left with a 20 man roster and still have the most expensive roster in the league. That is absolutely obscene.
Who cares? If this team is as bad as you think it is a number of players will be dealt again at the deadline. Weren’t you an advocate of signing short term deals to later make trades with? Or obtain other team’s expensive players to obtain more draft picks and prospects?
Go watch Carolina or Arizona if you want to watch cheap, bad teams.
Henkka
Registered User
Did you really post in the right thread...?
I don't understand at all what are you saying. Except a full shitload of negativity.
izlez
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We had enough money to re-sign all of our players.
We had money to sign upper level UFA's (which you then complained about)
Who caarrreeeesss??
WingedWheel1987
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I care because it should be very obvious that the Wings have spent an obscene amount of money so that they can once again draft outside of the top three. Bad team building is bad.
A cheap bad team makes sense.
A ludicrously expensive bad team doesn't make any sense. (well it does if management is incompetent) But i don't think you believe that.
Henkka
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Many in here were saying how signing Vanek makes re-signing Larkin proablematic. Didn't seem to be problematic for the organization.
60 games of Vanek isn’t going to make much a difference. They’ll likely move him, Nyquist, Howard, Kronwall and possibly other players at the deadline.
The Red Wings won only 4 of the remaining 20 games last year. They’ll be near the bottom of the standings again. Don’t you worry.
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