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I'd re-sign Beaulieu 5 years @ 3.25M. Galchenyuk 6 years @ 6.2M. Andrighetto if he's willing to stay in the AHL. Markov 2 years @ 3.5M. Flynn, 1 year @ 975K. Radulov 4 years @ 6.275M.

20.2M, there are other ways to make room for these contracts.
 

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Radulov and Galchenyuk will probably take at least 14M combined.

I expect Emelin to be chosen in expansion draft though.
 

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Radulov and Galchenyuk will probably take at least 14M combined.

Personally, I doubt Galchenyuk and Radulov take AT LEAST 14M. What is your thinking here? They both don't settle for less than 7M each? Or is one at 6.5 and the other at 7.5? Or by saying AT LEAST 14M, they can potantially combine for 14.5M or 15M or more?

I don't see either of them getting 7M. I can see Galchenyuk get it, but I still doubt he'd get 7M.

I expect Emelin to be chosen in expansion draft though.

Losing Emelin would sting a bit. Especially the way he has been playing this season. But I wouldn't mind shedding his 4.1M.

But if you plan on keeping Beaulieu (who is 23 and is slowly coming into his own this year), then you will surely expose Emelin (Weber and Petry being the other two D you protect). As solid as Emelin has been, he is older (30) and carries a bigger cap hit than Beaulieu. And I also could picture Vegas picking him because he plays a solid game that can be fit for the Western Conference.
 

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Galchenyuk
8 years @ $54M
$6.75M cap hit

Alex Radulov
4 years @ $27M
$6.75M cap hit

Nathan Beaulieu
3 years @ $7.5M
$2.5M cap hit

Andrei Markov
1 year @ $4M
$4M cap hit

The others can walk
 

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For me, the priorities are Galchenyuk, Radulov, Beaulieu, and Markov. Everyone else can go. So if I'm simply spreading the 23.585M between them, I'm giving:

- Alex Galchenyuk - 6.85M
- Alexander Radulov - 6.5M
- Andrei Markov - 5M
- Nathan Beaulieu - 3M

Remaining: 2.235M

What would you do?

So if your priority is to sign Beaulieu, that has to be cause he was protected in the Expansion Draft.

Assuming Emelin isn't traded by the TDL, that means he would be exposed and may be taken by LV. And thus, his salary is also likely to come off the books in your scenario.
 

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It's hard for me to imagine the team next year without Radulov or Markov.

In Markov's case they could make up a difference of opinion with incentives.

I hope he finishes his career with the Habs, which would be rare because other Habs legendary dmen didn't (Harvey, Savard, Lapointe, Chelios, Robinson, an exception would be Laperriere).
 

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Galchenyuk
8 years @ $54M
$6.75M cap hit

Alex Radulov
4 years @ $27M
$6.75M cap hit

Nathan Beaulieu
3 years @ $7.5M
$2.5M cap hit

Andrei Markov
1 year @ $4M
$4M cap hit

The others can walk

Galchenyuk might ask for a bit more, hopefully Markov accepts a bit less.
 

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Galchenyuk- 8 Years @ 6.75 AAV
Radulov - 5 Years @ 6.5 AAV
Markov - 2 Years @ 4.75 AAV
Beaulieu - 6 Years @ 4 AAV (I think it's a bit much, but we'd regret signing him for 2-3 years).
 

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The numbers Chucky and Rads (assuming we can retain him) get will likely have a big impact on Max's deal when it comes up. A lot of teams seem to be trying to set an internal cap on a single player and that looks like its the only way to stay competitive in the long run. We need our top guys to buy in and take a little off the top for the good of the team.

Easier said than done though.
 

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So if your priority is to sign Beaulieu, that has to be cause he was protected in the Expansion Draft.

Assuming Emelin isn't traded by the TDL, that means he would be exposed and may be taken by LV. And thus, his salary is also likely to come off the books in your scenario.

Beaulieu is a RFA his rights have to protected, even if he's not signed, if you don't want to lose him

and of corse you protect the 23yo top 4 d over the 30yo on a big contract top 4 d
 

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So if your priority is to sign Beaulieu, that has to be cause he was protected in the Expansion Draft.

Assuming Emelin isn't traded by the TDL, that means he would be exposed and may be taken by LV. And thus, his salary is also likely to come off the books in your scenario.

Yes, right now I would protect Beaulieu over Emelin. I feel like both are having good seasons. But, to me, Beaulieu has room to grow and his play this season (especially since Markov's been out) has improved. Beaulieu is 23 vs. Emelin who is 30. Beaulieu is currently at 1M vs. Emelin at 4.1M (though we know Beaulieu will get a raise, he won't reach Emelin's 4.1M).

And I believe that Emelin being exposed is a good guess he'll be the one selected by Vegas. It would sting a bit, but I can live without his cap hit. If he is taken, part of his 4.1M can be used to extend Price and/or get someone else.

But as I mentioned in my original post, seeing as we don't have the answer of who will get picked right now, I didn't tackle it in my scenario. But it is a very likely scenario. It is one you have to be prepared for as a GM.

I'd re-sign Beaulieu 5 years @ 3.25M. Galchenyuk 6 years @ 6.2M. Andrighetto if he's willing to stay in the AHL. Markov 2 years @ 3.5M. Flynn, 1 year @ 975K. Radulov 4 years @ 6.275M.

20.2M, there are other ways to make room for these contracts.

I think out of all of your extensions, the one I believe is realistic is Beaulieu. I also think Radulov is a pretty decent deal. I believe the primary concern for him will be term and not money. I doubt Galchenyuk and Markov sign at that amount. The only way Andrighetto stays is if he signs a 1-way and will require waivers (much like his current deal - nothing wrong with it). And I know I said except for Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, Radulov, and Markov, the rest can go. But if I had to pick one of the rest to extend, it'd be Flynn. I wouldn't care if Ghetto left.
 
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Galchenyuk
8 years @ $54M
$6.75M cap hit

Alex Radulov
4 years @ $27M
$6.75M cap hit

Nathan Beaulieu
3 years @ $7.5M
$2.5M cap hit

Andrei Markov
1 year @ $4M
$4M cap hit

The others can walk

Galchenyuk might ask for a bit more, hopefully Markov accepts a bit less.

Galchenyuk- 8 Years @ 6.75 AAV
Radulov - 5 Years @ 6.5 AAV
Markov - 2 Years @ 4.75 AAV
Beaulieu - 6 Years @ 4 AAV (I think it's a bit much, but we'd regret signing him for 2-3 years).


I show Galchenyuk these contracts and tell him to settle for 6m/year over 6 years...no way he needs to be making 6.75m over 8 years

Kucherov: $4,766,667 x 3
Gaudreau: $6,750,000 x 6
Huberdeau: $5,900,000 x 6
Monahan: $6,375,000 x 6
Schenn: $5,125,000 x 4
Schwartz: $5,350,000 x 5
Scheifele: $6,125,000 x 8
MacKinnon: $6,300,000 x 7
Trochek: $4,750,000 x 6
Forsberg: $6,000,000 x 6
Barkov: $5,900,000 x 6
Saad: $6,000,000 x 6
 

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Radulov and Galchenyuk will probably take at least 14M combined.

I expect Emelin to be chosen in expansion draft though.

Radulov is comparable to Okposo so around 6.

Galchenyuk can be compared to Mackinnon or Scheiffle so just over 6

12-12.5 is my guess for both.

I show Galchenyuk these contracts and tell him to settle for 6m/year over 6 years...no way he needs to be making 6.75m over 8 years

Kucherov: $4,766,667 x 3
Gaudreau: $6,750,000 x 6
Huberdeau: $5,900,000 x 6
Monahan: $6,375,000 x 6
Schenn: $5,125,000 x 4
Schwartz: $5,350,000 x 5
Scheifele: $6,125,000 x 8
MacKinnon: $6,300,000 x 7
Trochek: $4,750,000 x 6
Forsberg: $6,000,000 x 6
Barkov: $5,900,000 x 6
Saad: $6,000,000 x 6

Yeah exactly. Only comparable to Radulov I found is Okposo so we should expect around 6.
 
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Radulov 3/4 years @ $6.5 cap hit
Galchenyuk 8 years @ $6.0 cap hit
Beaulieu 4 years @ $3.0 cap hit

I would have to see how Markov looks for the rest of the season and playoffs. Would not resign for more than 1 year at a discounted price.

The rest I would let walk. Really don't like any of them and none have proven that they deserve another contract.
 

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I show Galchenyuk these contracts and tell him to settle for 6m/year over 6 years...no way he needs to be making 6.75m over 8 years

Kucherov: $4,766,667 x 3
Gaudreau: $6,750,000 x 6
Huberdeau: $5,900,000 x 6
Monahan: $6,375,000 x 6
Schenn: $5,125,000 x 4
Schwartz: $5,350,000 x 5
Scheifele: $6,125,000 x 8
MacKinnon: $6,300,000 x 7
Trochek: $4,750,000 x 6

Forsberg: $6,000,000 x 6
Barkov: $5,900,000 x 6
Saad: $6,000,000 x 6

All of the bolded names skipped the bridge deal, which Galchenyuk didn't. That is why most of them have lower cap hits but longer term. And the ones who did accept a bridge deal and took a decent cap hit afterwards didn't exactly have the same numbers Galchenyuk did during his bridge deal. Even if he is injured now during his 2nd year of the 2-year bridge deal, he was on pace for a career year. And when he returns, it's safe to assume he'll pick up right where he left off.

Galchenyuk can be compared to Mackinnon or Scheiffle so just over 6

You can't compare Galchenyuk to MacKinnon or Scheifele 100% because both of them skipped the bridge deal. They went directly from their ELC to their current long-term deal at a real good cap hit. Galchenyuk took the 2-year bridge deal following his ELC, and to add to that, he has been playing lights out during his bridge deal.
 
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Radulov is comparable to Okposo so around 6.

Galchenyuk can be compared to Mackinnon or Scheiffle so just over 6

12-12.5 is my guess for both.

Okposo got 6M x 7 years. If you're gonna cut on term, you're gonna have to increase in salary.

7.5M x 4 years
7.0M x 5 years
6.0M x 7 years

MacKinnon and Schiefele did not get a bridge deal, unlike Galchenyuk
 

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All of the bolded names skipped the bridge deal, which Galchenyuk didn't. That is why most of them have lower cap hits but longer term. And the ones who did accept a bridge deal and took a decent cap hit afterwards didn't exactly have the same numbers Galchenyuk did during his bridge deal. Even if he is injured now during his 2nd year of the 2-year bridge deal, he was on pace for a career year. And when he returns, it's safe to assume he'll pick up right where he left off.



You can't compare Galchenyuk to MacKinnon or Scheifele 100% because both of them skipped the bridge deal. They went directly from their ELC to their current long-term deal at a real good cap hit. Galchenyuk took the 2-year bridge deal following his ELC, and to add to that, he has been playing lights out during his bridge deal.

Interesting info I never considered, thanks. So I'm assuming that'll drive the price up a bit because we'll get 2 extra prime years.

IMO I still wouldn't go past 6.5m if that 10pts = 1m theory holds true.
 

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Hopefully Plekanec is somehow gone, which will free another 6mil, bringing us close to 10mil in cap space.

And... for what? Just to sit on it?

Any UFA we sign for 6M (and multiple years) might just end up being a disappointement, too. Getting a Radulov is more the exception than the rule.
 

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Interesting info I never considered, thanks. So I'm assuming that'll drive the price up a bit because we'll get 2 extra prime years.

IMO I still wouldn't go past 6.5m if that 10pts = 1m theory holds true.

I think it'll be between 6.5 and 7. I don't think he'll reach 7, but I think it'll be higher than 6.5. In fact, in my original post, I have him extended at 6.85M. If Bergevin succeeds in signing him between 6 and 6.5, he'll be an amazing GM.

Another way he can help drive his cap hit down also depends on how his salary will be structured. And if a signing bonus is included, it can also help lower his cap hit.

If you look at someone like Shaw, his cap his is 3.9M, but his actual salary if 5.5M this year (and goes down further along his contract). And out of that 5.5, 2.5M was paid as a signing bonus.

The player gets his money either way, and Molson is not short on change and isn't one bit stingy, so the player can accept a certain structure to his contract that would allow for a lower cap hit that can help the team by giving them more room to sign impact players.
 
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Okposo got 6M x 7 years. If you're gonna cut on term, you're gonna have to increase in salary.

7.5M x 4 years
7.0M x 5 years
6.0M x 7 years

MacKinnon and Schiefele did not get a bridge deal, unlike Galchenyuk

Okposo is younger and more proven. Thinking he gets 6.5 for 5 years or something like that.
 

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$6.5M vs $7.0M for 5 years. It's not far off. Wouldn't be surprised by either.

Especially when you factor in Montreal taxes.

If Radulov gets a 5-year deal, I'd try to sign him at his current deal of 5.75M. The shorter the contract, the higher the cap. But the longer the term, the less cap. In the end, with 5 years at 5.75M, Radulov will make more money and the team will have more cap room to sign others and have a better chance at putting together a competitive team.
 

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my guess,

Galchenyuk, 7 years at 6.5M
Radulov, 5 years, 7M
Markov, 1 year 5M
Beaulieu, not sure, think we have to wait and see how it goes over the full season


as for the rest,

UFA- Flynn, DD, Terry, Farnham, don't see any coming back.

RFA- Hudon, Lindgren, DLR, Ghetto, Matteau, Johnston, Samuelsson, Hanley, Friberg, MacMillan, Racine, Crisp, Thrower.

Hudon not sure if he gets a one way or not but won't matter since I don't see him back in the AHL.

Lindgren not sure what the plan is now that Montoya is back, he doesn't need to clear waivers so maybe 2 years, 1st two way, 2nd year one way.

DLR, could see him getting a 1 year, 2 way.

Ghetto, 1 year 2 way.

Matteau, 1 year 2 way maybe

Johnston, 1 year 2 way

Hanley, 1 year 2 way maybe

Friberg, 1 year 2 way or back to Sweden

Samuelsson, gone

MacMillan, 1 year 2 way maybe

Racine, 1 year 2 way maybe but could see him gone

Crisp, I would give him a 1 year 2 way deal, who knows if Habs will give him another shot or not.

Thrower, doubt he's back.
 

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my guess,

Galchenyuk, 7 years at 6.5M
Radulov, 5 years, 7M
Markov, 1 year 5M
Beaulieu, not sure, think we have to wait and see how it goes over the full season


as for the rest,

UFA- Flynn, DD, Terry, Farnham, don't see any coming back.

RFA- Hudon, Lindgren, DLR, Ghetto, Matteau, Johnston, Samuelsson, Hanley, Friberg, MacMillan, Racine, Crisp, Thrower.

Hudon not sure if he gets a one way or not but won't matter since I don't see him back in the AHL.

Lindgren not sure what the plan is now that Montoya is back, he doesn't need to clear waivers so maybe 2 years, 1st two way, 2nd year one way.

DLR, could see him getting a 1 year, 2 way.

Ghetto, 1 year 2 way.

Matteau, 1 year 2 way maybe

Johnston, 1 year 2 way

Hanley, 1 year 2 way maybe

Friberg, 1 year 2 way or back to Sweden

Samuelsson, gone

MacMillan, 1 year 2 way maybe

Racine, 1 year 2 way maybe but could see him gone

Crisp, I would give him a 1 year 2 way deal, who knows if Habs will give him another shot or not.

Thrower, doubt he's back.

Agree.

I think we will not qualify :

Andrighetto, F (one way...)
Matteau, F
MacMillan, F
Crisp, F
Racine, D
Samuelsson, D
Thrower, D

Players coming to the AHL next year to replace them:

Bradley, F
Addison, F
Juulsen, D
Bourque, D

I can see Matteau coming back after being unqualified to sign a 2 way deal.
 
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