Salary Cap: Salary Cap/Roster Thread - As we look forward

[ColePens]

Draft/FA is but days away. New thread. When i get done with work, i'll try to add the charts.

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[AjaxTelamon]

Even though the players' deals are only 1.2m apart in cap hit and for two more years, Hoffman is owed 11m+ over his last two years, and Boedker only 6m.

That Melnyk, he's a clever one.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Even though the players' deals are only 1.2m apart in cap hit and for two more years, Hoffman is owed 11m+ over his last two years, and Boedker only 6m.

That Melnyk, he's a clever one.

I feel like the Hofman GF situation absolutely tanked his value to be honest. Sure, it's a horrible return for the Senators and money is definitely a factor, but I think there were outside circumstances that you can excuse them on this trade.

 

[Deport Ogie]

Let's just call that deal what it was, it was a dump. It wasn't a cap dump, though the Sens are certainly on the brink of threatening the cap floor even if Stone gets a huge raise (and he will). It was a distraction dump.

SJ has almost positioned themselves as the "take a chance on off-ice crap guys" lately between getting both Hoffman and Kane for very little return. That doesn't make Kane's new deal any more palatable but hey, kudos for identifying a niche I guess.

 

[SherogoesHAM]

You were saying?

 

[Deport Ogie]

Hah! Well nevermind then.

 

[TimmyD]

WTF is happening lol... Hoffman to Florida now

 

[Gurglesons]

Doug Wilson out here trading nothing for a 2nd rounder and basically clearing the decks for Tavares.

 

[Pancakes]

Doug Wilson out here trading nothing for a 2nd rounder and basically clearing the decks for Tavares.

Maybe clearing the way for Karlsson....or Carlson, as well lol.

 

[Empoleon8771]

My reaction to this entire Hoffman situation

 

[AjaxTelamon]

I feel like the Hofman GF situation absolutely tanked his value to be honest. Sure, it's a horrible return for the Senators and money is definitely a factor, but I think there were outside circumstances that you can excuse them on this trade.

Exactly what uncle Eugene wants you to think. Let no crisis go to waste!

 

[Pancakes]

My reaction to this entire Hoffman situation

His girlfriend killed his value lol.

I'm still glad the Pens didn't get in on him even if he was that cheap. Eff him and eff his GF.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Honestly, I don't even know that the Senators got a worse return for Hoffman than the Sharks did. The Sharks only got a 2019 2nd, a 2018 4th and a 2018 5th for Hoffman and a 2018 7th, that's honestly not that impressive. I don't know that I'd say that is a better return than Boedker, you can probably get that for Boedker as a rental.

 

[Gurglesons]

Maybe clearing the way for Karlsson....or Carlson, as well lol.

San Jose honestly has one of the better defenses in the league. They are obviously clearing for either JVR or Tavares.

 

[Gurglesons]

Honestly, I don't even know that the Senators got a worse return for Hoffman than the Sharks did. The Sharks only got a 2019 2nd, a 2018 4th and a 2018 5th for Hoffman and a 2018 7th, that's honestly not that impressive. I don't know that I'd say that is a better return than Boedker.

Boedker has been absolutely horrible in San Jose.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Boedker has been absolutely horrible in San Jose.

He was on pace for 40 points last season, though. He was bad in his first season, but he was fine last year.

 

[Shockmaster]

Exactly what uncle Eugene wants you to think. Let no crisis go to waste!

Probably why he didn't spend a single penny on investigating any of this months ago when the Karlssons were first being cyberbullied.

 

[ColePens]

I've been out of the loop here for a couple weeks. I expect this thread to keep me posted!

 

[Pancakes]

San Jose honestly has one of the better defenses in the league. They are obviously clearing for either JVR or Tavares.

Eh, I think SJ would take whatever good player is available. If JT isn't hitting the market, they'd still happily pony up for Carlson imo. And maybe JVR.

And they've long been rumored to be interested in EK.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

He was on pace for 40 points last season, though. He was bad in his first season, but he was fine last year.

Since joining the Sharks he has scored at a 33 point pace all the while being a possession drain for 4 million dollars per.

For reference the bad version (last 2 seasons) of Hagelin, scored at a 30 point pace while being a possession and PK stud.

Id imagine a team looking moving Boedker for cap space is more than thrilled with a 2nd and 4th.

 

[cheesedanish87]

I heard San Jose is going hard after ROR if they miss on JT.

 

[TimmyD]

I've been out of the loop here for a couple weeks. I expect this thread to keep me posted!

We are signing all of Carlson, Tavares, Kovalchuk and JVR to 8 year $8 million deals and creating the first super team in the NHL.........

 

[Empoleon8771]

Since joining the Sharks he has scored at a 33 point pace all the while being a possession drain for 4 million dollars per.

For reference the bad version (last 2 seasons) of Hagelin, scored at a 30 point pace while being a possession and PK stud.

Id imagine a team looking moving Boedker for cap space is more than thrilled with a 2nd and 4th.

Well that's not too surprising, considering I said "he was bad in his first season but fine last year". I don't know why you're looking at his overall stats with the Sharks over 2 seasons when I specifically said one of them was bad.

For comparison, Sheary last season had 16 ES goals and 27 ES points last season while playing 12.7 ES minutes a night. Boedker had 11 ES goals and 29 ES points while playing 11.9 ES minutes a night. Boedker also had a lot more defensive zone starts, which explains why his possession stats weren't good. Boedker is a fine player, he's a little overpaid but it's nothing ridiculous.

I'd honestly rather have Boedker on the Penguins than Sheary, I think Boedker would be really useful here. I don't want him at $4 million, but I'd be fine with him at $3 million.

 

[SEALBound]

Honestly, I don't even know that the Senators got a worse return for Hoffman than the Sharks did. The Sharks only got a 2019 2nd, a 2018 4th and a 2018 5th for Hoffman and a 2018 7th, that's honestly not that impressive. I don't know that I'd say that is a better return than Boedker, you can probably get that for Boedker as a rental.

I think it was much more about clearing space. This move reminds me a lot of what Steve Yzerman did in 2017.

MARCH 1: Tampa Bay Lightning trade F Valtteri Filppula, a fourth-round pick and a conditional seventh-round pick in the 2017 Draft to Philadelphia Flyers for D Mark Streit

then

MARCH 1: Tampa Bay Lightning trade D Mark Streit to the Pittsburgh Penguins for a fourth-round pick in the 2018 Draft

So Filppula and a 7th for...nuttin... Cleared all that space.

Gotta think Ottawa had to get a forward of some respect back in the deal and Florida isn't exactly overflowing with spare parts. So I can't see a similar deal involving Ottawa and Florida directly.

I've been out of the loop here for a couple weeks. I expect this thread to keep me posted!

Watch an episode of Real Housewives and you'll be about 95% caught up.

I honestly can't believe the value for Hoffman. Maybe that will be a wake up call for him.

 

[Gurglesons]

He was on pace for 40 points last season, though. He was bad in his first season, but he was fine last year.

He had 8 points on the powerplay. He’s a terrible player. Sharks fans are likely rejoicing.