Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building - Y'all got any more of them Kessel rumors

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Ryder71

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Is anyone on this forum making this argument?

I think 95% of us are fine with what kessel is doing..?

Minnie is terrible in the worst kind of way. Mediocre..
Yep! They seem to be a perennial bubble team. That's exactly where you don't want to be. Never good enough to contend, never too bad to garner high end talent through the draft.
 

Andy99

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I'd love to say I would be above that type of behavior if I was a professional athlete, but that is just absurd.

Man, if I was young and single and could attract the ladies, I’d be out there often myself...nothing wrong with it if it doesn’t impact your work...

Someone should map out the bars in Minneapolis, the locations of all the casinos and take pictures of the poker games and the local womenfolk, and send them to Phil’s Instagram page...better enticement to accept that trade I think...
 

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Yep. I don't begrudge Kessel for leveraging his NT clause to try to live and work somewhere he wants to. Why shouldn't he? His agent negotiated this, may as well use it.

Agreed on all accounts. No hate on Kessel for using whatever leverage he has.

That said, if he's serious about winning a Cup as a condition of getting traded, why didn't he suck it up and play the way Sullivan wanted to this year/last year?
 

Sidney the Kidney

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The people building analytical models of the game are watching way more footage than we ever do to get those numbers. So do not give me any “eyetest” garbage.

Are they? Or do they get those numbers from league sources, then come up with different "advanced stats" to try and interpret what that data means?

I'm honestly curious because a lot of these "analytics" crowd folks seem to just use data given to input into various equations and then put their own interpretation on what that data represents.
 

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Are they? Or do they get those numbers from league sources, then come up with different "advanced stats" to try and interpret what that data means?

I'm honestly curious because a lot of these "analytics" crowd folks seem to just use data given to input into various equations and then put their own interpretation on what that data represents.

If they are getting it from a league source then they are at Berkshire’s level and are getting data that is basically reserved for teams. I forget what the app is he has access to but if you listen to any of the PDOcasts with him he goes into pretty good detail about it.

Fact is most of these guys (see Jesse) are watching tons of repetitive game plays to back up the majority of this data unless they are basically at the point where they are going to be hired by the league or one of the big networks.

I mean, it isn’t like Natural Stat Trick just gets the numbers created for themselves. The majority of the writers that are amateur analytics guys have to actually log this stuff and then run it through their models. Otherwise they’d basically have no reason to exist. Sure there are people like Micah getting attention off of visualizations of the data.
 

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Are they? Or do they get those numbers from league sources, then come up with different "advanced stats" to try and interpret what that data means?

I'm honestly curious because a lot of these "analytics" crowd folks seem to just use data given to input into various equations and then put their own interpretation on what that data represents.

It's a mix. The guys doing zone entry stats are doing it all from watching as far as I know. Stuff like the SKATR evaluation model is league data put into various ways - although it seems likely anyone who likes hockey that much watches a bunch anyway. Stuff like McCurdy's predictions, I don't know.

Crucially, I imagine all the in-house analytics staff around the league are watching and extracting data from that. For example, we know the team uses different definitions of good chance to the league, so that has to be done by eye.
 

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I think when Minnesota signed Suter and Parise they thought that was going to put them into serious Cup contention but adding two very good but not elite players isn't going to put any mediocre team over the top. And that maxed out their cap.
 
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I think when Minnesota signed Suter and Parise they thought that was going to put them into serious Cup contention but adding two very good but not elite players isn't going to put any mediocre team over the top. And that maxed out their cap.

Friedman has talked about how this was a message from the owner and it was more from a financial position as a franchise then aspirations at a cup.

Apparently Fletcher was somewhat against the deals and was rumored to only want Suter I believe and basically Parise wasn’t part of the equation until like a day before they both signed.
 

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I always found both of them to be overrated. If they're your top 2 players, you simply aren't good enough.

I think Minnie thought they had Scandella, Spurgeron, Koivu, Harding, Coyle and Setoguchi (lol) to build around with some vets like Heatley (who was still effective at that point) Brodziak and Clutterbuck.

Honestly, the main issue is they never could get a legit star there. Bringing in near stars like Suter and Parise was likely the effort to become an attractive market for UFAs and trades.
 

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Someone should map out the bars in Minneapolis, the locations of all the casinos and take pictures of the poker games and the local womenfolk, and send them to Phil’s Instagram page...better enticement to accept that trade I think...
Good idea! Maybe Phil was too busy as a student/athlete in his Gopher days to fully appreciate the abundant resource of fine midwestern ladies Minni enjoys?
 
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