Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building Thread: Get your trade rumors here!

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Shouldn't we try Blueger before going after a 3C? Why waste assets when we have a former 2nd round pick putting up great numbers in the AHL?

 

[WayneSid9987]

Shouldn't we try Blueger before going after a 3C? Why waste assets when we have a former 2nd round pick putting up great numbers in the AHL?

Yea, i'm in BIG favor of that experiment atm.

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Simon-G-Rust/Phil
Pearson-Blueger-Rust/Phil
Sheahan-Cullen-Blandisi

 

[Ryder71]

Shouldn't we try Blueger before going after a 3C? Why waste assets when we have a former 2nd round pick putting up great numbers in the AHL?

Some here thought he should have been given a look sooner. I'd much rather do that than spend assets on a guy like Nash.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Yea, i'm in BIG favor of that experiment atm.

Jake-Sid-Horny
Simon-G-Rust/Phil
Pearson-Blueger-Rust/Phil
Sheahan-Cullen-Blandisi

Or i guess, wait. Brass is still here:

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Simon/Brass-G-Rust/Phil
Simon/Brass-Blueger-Rust/Phil
Pearson-Cullen-Sheahan

or Pearson is bumped up/Simon or who ever down.

 

[Riptide]

Shouldn't we try Blueger before going after a 3C? Why waste assets when we have a former 2nd round pick putting up great numbers in the AHL?

Not this season. 4c, sure. But we need to get him some games before we pencil him in as a 3c, and there's not enough games left before the TD to make any sort of determination on him this season.

 

[Turin]

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Ferland-Malkin-Kessel
Pearson-Sheahan-Hornqvist
ZAR-Cullen-Simon

Pretty damn good if Sheahan gets just a slight uptick in production, honestly. Ferland can play RW too.

 

[Ugene Magic]

You're missing my point. I don't want Sheahan necessarily manning third line center. I'm saying if we start looking at guys below that level of players mentioned, we'll end up at a guy the level of Sheahan. And obviously none of us would want that. Why give up assets for a guy like Nash. I don't think he's an upgrade on Sheahan so it wouldn't make much sense to pursue such a deal.

Yeah, if you're trading Brassard for freaking Riley Nash the Pens are better off trading Brassard for a 1st and prospect, and they'll get it.

The Pens 1st will hold its weight going for a 3c.

Brassard should be able to get them a 1 for one, but it might not be the position you wish to fill with a Brassard trade.

 

[OnMyOwn]

The problem remains....

Everyone can see Brassard struggle here and knows the org would like to move him on. He's also an UFA.


Pens have almost zero leverage to come out neutral, let alone win, in a trade here.

They either lose more assets or get crap back if you try a 1 for 1 trade.

I don’t know if his struggles on this team necessarily tank his value. Teams will look st his as a 2C, where he has a track record of being very good.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I don’t know if his struggles on this team necessarily tank his value. Teams will look st his as a 2C, where he has a track record of being very good.

It doesn't, but people do try to downgrade him on the mainboard. It's silly.

 

[3074326]

So just trade Ferland for Brass with Columbus as middleman with the futures. I'd rather roll Sheahan-Cullen and call up TB then add Nash in and give up a 1st.

I can't imagine Columbus doing the trade if all they're getting is futures. They're looking for a C upgrade.

Again, this is not a trade I am in love with, I just think it technically makes the team a little better. I'm pretty high on Ferland. I think he'd be a great add to this roster. If it's the best Brass deal available, sure, I'm not upset.

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Ferland-Malkin-Kessel
Pearson-Sheahan-Hornqvist
ZAR-Cullen-Simon

Pretty damn good if Sheahan gets just a slight uptick in production, honestly. Ferland can play RW too.

Having Nash would be nice insurance for the playoffs, too. Players usually play better here than where they came from.

 

[mpp9]

I'd just swap Brass for Bones. Don't see how Nashville would turn that down with how flush they are with bottom six style players who can play center. Turris can take on a bigger defensive role and free Brassard up for offensive starts. That'd be a good cheap solution to their scoring depth issues.

Maybe we can get them to retain a little or throw in a pick.

 

[Turin]

I'd just swap Brass for Bones. Don't see how Nashville would turn that down with how flush they are with bottom six style players who can play center. Turris can take on a bigger defensive role and free Brassard up for offensive starts. That'd be a good cheap solution to their scoring depth issues.

Maybe we can get them to retain a little or throw in a pick.

I’d be mostly down.

 

[TimmyD]

I'd just swap Brass for Bones. Don't see how Nashville would turn that down with how flush they are with bottom six style players who can play center. Turris can take on a bigger defensive role and free Brassard up for offensive starts. That'd be a good cheap solution to their scoring depth issues.

Maybe we can get them to retain a little or throw in a pick.

I would rather swap Brassard for Jarnkrok if they would do that

 

[Ryder71]

Yeah, if you're trading Brassard for freaking Riley Nash the Pens are better off trading Brassard for a 1st and prospect, and they'll get it.

The Pens 1st will hold its weight going for a 3c.

Brassard should be able to get them a 1 for one, but it might not be the position you wish to fill with a Brassard trade.

As long as the value is commensurate or at least close to it. Of course that can be a subjective debate. If we have to go the route of trying to get a 1st and maybe a prospect, then it's a much better option IMO than just trading him for a borderline third line center who has a less distinguished body of work. The key here is to maximize him as an asset as much as possible. And there are more ways to achieve that objective than just one.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

There are multiple senarios, each more complicated than the next.

1. Trade Brassard for 3c

2. Trade Brassard for value, trade futures for 3c.

3. Trade Brassard for a winger, trade futures for 3c.

4. Trade Brassard for a RHD, shift Johnson over, Pettersson up and trade Maatta for a higher caliber 3C.

All of these senarios involve money in money out and moving a depth D like Ruh or Oleksiak for the sake of not having 9D.

 

[dogthateats]

Cody Eakin would look really good on the Pens imo

 

[KIRK]

If JR finds a way to add Faksa and Ferland...he did a great job at the deadline and he cleared up some holes. If he finds a way to add a top 4 defenseman...he is sending a clear message to the team. Part of me wants to start being more cautious with our young assets. Another part of me wants him to mortgage the entire ****ing lot and put the best team on the ice no matter what.

The crazy thing about this roster is how much salary that is currently being taken up by guys who have absolutely no impact on the roster.

I think 3C, winger (I'd assume for Malkin), and D partner for Schultz (so we can ride the crap out of our top 4 and insulate JMFJ, who we all know won't be benched ever) is pretty much the dream scenario.

Faksa, Ferland, Muzzin . . . nice dream, but I think that only happens with Brass, Maatta, the 1st, and who knows what else going out.

 

[KIRK]

Cody Eakin would look really good on the Pens imo

I don't think Vegas would move Eakin under ordinary circumstances but most certainly not given Haula's injury status.

 

[Ryder71]

I think 3C, winger (I'd assume for Malkin), and D partner for Schultz (so we can ride the crap out of our top 4 and insulate JMFJ, who we all know won't be benched ever) is pretty much the dream scenario.

Faksa, Ferland, Muzzin . . . nice dream, but I think that only happens with Brass, Maatta, the 1st, and who knows what else going out.

We'd have to add a bit, but to what degree not sure. But roughly that's the sort of assets we should be moving as well as the ones we should be targeting.

 

[Riptide]

Yeah, if you're trading Brassard for freaking Riley Nash the Pens are better off trading Brassard for a 1st and prospect, and they'll get it.

The Pens 1st will hold its weight going for a 3c.

Brassard should be able to get them a 1 for one, but it might not be the position you wish to fill with a Brassard trade.

That said... if we could get Nash cheap, I'd be interested. Yeah he's similar to Sheahan, but he's insurance if RS doesn't work out, and he's signed cheap for the next couple seasons.

 

[Riptide]

I'd just swap Brass for Bones. Don't see how Nashville would turn that down with how flush they are with bottom six style players who can play center. Turris can take on a bigger defensive role and free Brassard up for offensive starts. That'd be a good cheap solution to their scoring depth issues.

Maybe we can get them to retain a little or throw in a pick.

I'd probably just stick with Sheahan if we're going that route.

 

[KIRK]

We'd have to add a bit, but to what degree not sure. But roughly that's the sort of assets we should be moving as well as the ones we should be targeting.

I don't know.

I think addressing all of the needs is doable, but it's going to make the cupboard really bare.

 

[KIRK]

I'd probably just stick with Sheahan if we're going that route.

I think I've reached the point where the Pens biggest issue is getting the Malkin situation sorted, and I think that includes finding him a winger who he really can mesh with. Finding him a Hags with hands really is critical, which is why I'm on board with the Ferland and Dzingel talk here.

We need to do something to upgrade the 3C situation. And, I'd like better than Maatta playing with Schultz when he returns. BUT, I think I'd like the ideal winger for Malkin more than both. And, if the price of jump starting and leveraging Malkin means I've got Sheahan and Maatta as 3C and 2LD, then so be it.

 

[Ryder71]

I don't know.

I think addressing all of the needs is doable, but it's going to make the cupboard really bare.

Well, we are a win now team. Also, I'm not thrilled with parting with a 1st rounder, but if say Faksa and Muzzin were involved, we'd have them for more than just this season. Likely Jarry and one of our 2hd rounders from last year might have to go. Are these three players enough? Who knows.

 

[KIRK]

Well, we are a win now team. Also, I'm not thrilled with parting with a 1st rounder, but if say Faksa and Muzzin were involved we have them for more than just this season. Likely Jarry and one of our 2hd rounders from last year might have to go. Are these three players enough? Who knows.

Adding Faksa and Muzzin certainly would help. What you get for Maatta and a 1st gets you reasonably close, I'd guess.

That said, I wonder if a winger who you feel very strongly (you can't know, so let's say feel very strongly) can mesh with Geno might be an even bigger get.