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I like Colin Miller a lot. I always wondered if I was in the minority.
Too many Millers over the year and I can't remember which one plays what for who and is good or bad.
I like Colin Miller a lot. I always wondered if I was in the minority.
I thought it was more of a let’s wait and see what else is out there. So not his first option but will consider it.
Because the Wild need an offensive driver and Lee isn't that. They wouldn't just be acquiring Kessel as a sniper, and I don't know how anyone can call Kessel a sniper at this point in his career. He has averaged 55 assists a season in the last 2 years, he's more of a playmaker than a sniper at this point. You'd want to acquire Kessel after getting Lee because Lee and Kessel would complement each other really well.
They had the 5th lowest goals for in the NHL last season.
Perhaps. I never called him a sniper, you did. I called Anders Lee a goal-scorer, which he is.
I just don't think Minnesota is looking to add 2 wingers. I think they want 1 winger who can score goals (yes, Kessel can still score goals). They probably also want a center because Koivu is coming off a knee issue and Sturm might not be ready for a regular role. Khovanov I don't think is ready, though he almost made the team last training camp.
Anyway, my hope is that they moved on so we don't make a bad trade.
Khovanov and a 2nd rounder in 2020? Yeah, I'd do it. A 1st in 2020? I would definitely do it.
Jason Zucker and little else? No thank you.
That's exactly what it was, that's what McKenzie and LeBrun said it was. I still think that ends up happening, as long as Zucker doesn't get moved somewhere else, I still think Kessel for Zucker will happen.
Who cares if people get mad honestly. It wouldn't be much fun of a _discussion_ board if everyone agreed upon everything everyone said.People get so mad when I suggest Jack Hughes may not be ready for a full 82 games in the NHL this season.
Kappo Kakko, on the other hand...
Why is JR such a schmuck? Why would he offer a full NTC to a middle six forward?NYR are trying to get Panarin even if they aren’t the favourites I’m sure they’ll wait that out first. If you see buyouts on June 30 for them they’ll think they have a shot.
Also Hornqvist has a full NTC for the next 2 seasons. There’s nothing to suggest he’ll waive it
Good, I never was thrilled with Zucker as the return!I have to say, my impression was that Rutherford saying "We want to create some cap for free agency" sounds most like a cover for trading Kessel for futures and saying "We liked this idea all along". Which means no Zucker from Minnesota.
I have to say, my impression was that Rutherford saying "We want to create some cap for free agency" sounds most like a cover for trading Kessel for futures and saying "We liked this idea all along". Which means no Zucker from Minnesota.
Agree on Panarin.
Bobrovsky > Florida
Pavelski > Tampa (Not sure how they're gonna fit him but he's met with them twice now)
Duchene > Nashville
Gardiner > New Jersey
Lee, Lehner > staying put
Jul 1 will be nuts! One of the best Free Agent Frenzy's in recent memory. Lookin forward to being completely wrong with these hunches.
God I wish we could take a stab at Gardiner. He's exactly what we need. Fast PMD with considerable offensive flair and a few strong years left. Playoffs aside, he's become a pretty capable defender too over the last few seasons. Wonder what the price tag is?
Who cares if people get mad honestly. It wouldn't be much fun of a _discussion_ board if everyone agreed upon everything everyone said.
I agree with you and I also agree with Thomas Hanks. His skill level is NHL ready, but his body, 5'10 170(ish) is not.
It's not that he is too small - there have been and are players that size, but they know the game and how to stay alive at NHL level. Hughes, I think, will need to adjust a bit to playing with 6'3 220lb gorillas out to take his head off in the big boy league.
Hughes looks like a little boy and he _just_ turned 18.
This is what I originally thought too, but then I read Yohe saying the Penguins wanted to get younger, so they wouldn't be going after any of the top UFAs. JR has also reiterated that he wants to make a culture change trade similar to Neal for Hornqvist, which is what Kessel for Zucker would be.
To me, the logical thought is Kessel for Zucker and Rust for that cap space to spend in free agency. That hits a lot of points: makes the Penguins younger and faster, gives them $4.8 million in cap space to play around with, makes the "Neal for Hornqvist" type of shakeup trade, adds some new faces in the locker room...that hits a lot of the points from what we've heard.
I suppose that could work out, but I think it's a bit less likely due to how complicated it is. It's not like Zucker is much younger than Nyquist or Donskoi (although cheaper than the former and better than the latter).
Well I'd like both of them. Would be an awesome middle pairing.How can we just put aside his playoffs, though? Is there going to be less pressure for Mr. Gardiner playing for a team that expects to win the Cup?
I'd rather extend Schultz, at least we know he can play when it matters.
Eh, I don't think it's all that complicated. Kessel for Zucker is a fairly simple trade that makes the Penguins younger and faster. Moving Rust for futures seems like a pretty easy move, and that leaves you with a little under $5 million in cap space added. I feel like the alternative (Kessel for cap space and futures, getting younger via trade elsewhere) is probably more complicated.
Well I'd like both of them. Would be an awesome middle pairing.
I put aside the playoffs cuz the Leafs don't have a large sample size there and I don't really believe in playoff carry-over from year to year, especially when the player changes teams.
Maybe if we attached Rust to Gudbranson someone would bite and clear that 4M x 2? Then ditch JJ with pick sacrifices + a throw-in like Jarry or something.
Sounds like an enormous cost, but god help us if Gudbranson regresses into his Vancouver form and JJ is still here in October. Would it not be worth it?
Our D would be stacked with Gardiner. Total price tag for the D-corps would be the same as it is now. Bottom pairing Petterson+Riikola. Ruhwedel or Prow 7th man.
A man can dream
then what would you be thrilled with? He's quite literally the best player you can hope to get in return for KesselGood, I never was thrilled with Zucker as the return!
I have to say, my impression was that Rutherford saying "We want to create some cap for free agency" sounds most like a cover for trading Kessel for futures and saying "We liked this idea all along". Which means no Zucker from Minnesota.
Guess we'll see. I don't think either path is impossible. Just my immediate guess was Kessel for futures and remains so. edit: p.s. remember that Yohe has poo-poohed the idea of Rust getting moved too fwiw.
Gardiner + Schultz is nightmare fuel in its own zone, and good luck to whichever of them starts being a PK regular.
Also, you probably don't need to attach Rust to Gudzilla right now.
Guess we'll see. I don't think either path is impossible. Just my immediate guess was Kessel for futures and remains so. edit: p.s. remember that Yohe has poo-poohed the idea of Rust getting moved too fwiw.
Not according to this. Seems pretty definitive.I thought it was more of a let’s wait and see what else is out there. So not his first option but will consider it.
I don't mind Schultz in his own zone at all. Gardiner's improved that way as well.
What do you think it'd take to get Gud out then?
Totally agree he played well. Blew my expectations out of the water.Florida to have cap space. Gudbranson isn’t leaving yet I’d imagine unless it’s part of a complex string of trades. He played well for us and uses his size without being a liability. Plus being a RHD.
I don't mind Schultz in his own zone at all. Gardiner's improved that way as well.
What do you think it'd take to get Gud out then?
I don't know what the **** they're planning on doing then
They want cap space, they want to make changes to their team and they want to get younger and faster, yet they don't want to trade anyone but Kessel. They want to have their cake and eat it too it seems. Although I think Kessel for futures and using that cap space is probably the safest bet for a Kessel trade, since Kessel can veto a Minnesota trade.
Totally agree he played well. Blew my expectations out of the water.
I'm just not optimistic about him having a repeat performance, based on his history. And even if he plays well, 4 mil for a sheltered bottom pairing guy is a bitter pill to swallow.