mpp9
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Hope the Blackhawks put Saad on the market. He'd be the perfect LW for our top 6 if Kessel leaves.
We should've drafted him in the first place, but yeah.Hope the Blackhawks put Saad on the market. He'd be the perfect LW for our top 6 if Kessel leaves.
What’s Nikolai Kulimin up to these days?The weird obsession with Saad continues on this board.
What’s Nikolai Kulimin up to these days?
In the end Sakic got a good return for Douchene.That was the 2016 trade deadline offer, back when Jake hadn't established himself. We're very lucky that Sakic came back and asked for more after agreeing on the deal.
And yet Rutherford still kept trying to get Duchene.
at his price, he's just fine. the sliding can be coached out. no need to spend on a backup.Holy **** Olli is still slow as molasses.
Also it irks me a lot that DeSmith slides across every save and is out of position for virtually every rebound. I'd rather the Pens traded him, got a vet backup and let Jarry be a true #1 in wbs.
People are really gonna realize just how good and important Hagelin is for us if/when he walks.
If he takes a pay cut I'd re-sign him. He's super important to this team's style and the fact that he's a PKer and LW are not insignificant details.
If we can't re-sign him, finding a replacement should be extremely high on our to do list.
People saying posters have "weird obsessions" with talented players who fit our style/system very well and play positions we need is getting old. And it's dumb. Don't be dumb. It's not edgy.
I mean, it's a discussion board and this a cap/roster thread. If you see something you simply can't live with reading, ignore it.
I think people already realize how important he is, but every role player runs their course with a team and Hagelin has seen victory and played in more playoff games than anyone (not sure if that's a fact but it's close) over the past 5 years. It would be totally understandable for him to take the most money somewhere else.
Point 2 isn't to his favour and point 4 isn't all that true - most of the roughly ppg wingers cost around 6m. He costs what he should. Point 3 is irrefutable.
Just going to touch on this. Pt 4 was his cap hit and how he's on a really good one for us.
I guess the main question is when did they sign these contracts? Stone as an RFA just signed a 1 yr deal for 7.35m. JVR and Kane just signed 7m deals as UFAs. Wheeler got term and 8.25m. Zucker and Neal who are not PPG wingers got 5.5m and 5.75m. So while it would be tough to say exactly what Kessel would get if he was a UFA today, I do think it's pretty safe to say that him at 6.8m is under the market rate for a winger of his caliber - even if he is a little one dimensional.
It's a huge problem, to try and replace him as it has been for years. His speed and tenacity isn't exactly common. His next contract will be the last one that is real as far as $$. I just think, unless he says f*** it I'll stay here, he is going to get more term and $$ somewhere else.I wouldn't call him core, but I think he's an exceptionally important support player because of his style. To me, core means irreplaceable in terms of talent/position--guys that are gonna carry the bulk of production on the way to wins. Hags isn't that, but his skillset and position make him extremely important.
I didn't take umbrage with your post specifically. I just see a lot of "Hags is gone, who cares" type of stuff flying around. He's a really, really good and important player for this team. If he walks, we're gonna need to put in the effort to find a younger replacement.
Maybe. If he puts up 90+ this season again, I think he will be a steal for someone if the Pens decide to move him. Now if he moves back to 70 pts, he'll just be a good value.I didn't check when but I'm guessing most of them were a few years back. I agree that the market is moving north and if he signed his contract again today it would be bigger (and we'd have no retention), but that's true of Gaudreau, Forsberg etc.etc.
Its true that if you moved on from Kessel, you're not getting another winger with that sort of overall production from elsewhere for his cap hit... but at the same time, he's not so under the current market value as to be a wowing bargain.
Maybe. If he puts up 90+ this season again, I think he will be a steal for someone if the Pens decide to move him. Now if he moves back to 70 pts, he'll just be a good value.
Honestly, unless Kessel pees on MS's Wheaties I doubt he goes anywhere.
Me either.If he stays at 90 points then, yeah, its a different story. But I'm not betting on it.
Well it's really hard to agree when you call Phil Kessel a "superstar". He was a superstar in Toronto, but now? Unless you think Arvidsson is a superstar too...
Kessel is a luxury on this team if Sprong can replace him on the powerplay, that's just a fact. He brings middle of the pack 1st liner offense at ES, a really good PP option on the right wall and consistent playoff production (usually). He's not a PPG player unless your powerplay is aburdly good in a year. He brings literally nothing outside of his offensive game. He causes problems with the rest of the lineup, because he doesn't play well with any other centers on the team and forces a better RW option to LW.
Hornqvist isn't just a part of that, the PP drops to like half of it's potential success-rate when Hornqvist is out. He's the main part of what makes the PP work. Kessel's been great, but Horny drives the PP bus.
This is like saying JVR drives Toronto's PP. Hornqvist is great at what he does, but what he does is effectively stand in front of the goalie while everyone else on the PP literally does everything else, like actually set up the plays. You could replace Hornqvist with some other player who is willing to stand in front of the net and it would still be effective, probably not AS effective but effective. The guys who are making the plays in the zone during the PP are literally driving the bus.
Absolutely, for example when Hornqvist got big PP with Nashville from 09-14, their average PP rank was 16/30. Penguins finished top 5 in PP% 5 of 8 seasons prior to Hornqvist.