Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building | Now What?

[DegenX]

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.

2017-18 salary ceiling	$75,000,000
Projected dollars committed	72,370,000​
2016-17 bonus overage	50,000​
Approximate cap space	2,580,000​

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PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward..................................	Pos.​	Age​	..........2017-18​	..........2018-19​	..........2019-20​
Evgeni Malkin	C​	31​	9,500,000​	9,500,000​	9,500,000​
Sidney Crosby	C​	30​	8,700,000​	8,700,000​	8,700,000​
Phil Kessel	RW​	29​	6,800,000​	6,800,000​	6,800,000​
Patric Hornqvist	RW​	30​	4,250,000​	UFA​
Carl Hagelin	LW​	29​	4,000,000​	4,000,000​	UFA​
Conor Sheary	LW​	25​	3,000,000​	3,000,000​	3,000,000​
Ryan Reaves	RW​	30​	1,125,000​	UFA​
Jake Guentzel	LW​	22​	734,167​	734,167​	RFA​
Josh Archibald	RW​	24​	675,000​	675,000​	RFA​
Greg McKegg	C​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Bryan Rust	RW​	25​	640,000​	RFA​
Scott Wilson	LW​	25​	635,000​	RFA​
Tom Kuhnhackl	LW​	25​	625,000​	RFA​
Carter Rowney	C​	28​	612,500​	UFA​
Defense	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Kris Letang	D​	30​	7,250,000​	7,250,000​	7,250,000​
Justin Schultz	D​	27​	5,500,000​	5,500,000​	5,500,000​
Brian Dumoulin	D​	26​	4,100,000​	4,100,000​	4,100,000​
Olli Maatta	D​	23​	4,083,333​	4,083,333​	4,083,333​
Matt Hunwick	D​	32​	2,250,000​	2,250,000​	2,250,000​
Ian Cole	D​	28​	2,100,000​	UFA​
Chad Ruhwedel	D​	27​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Goalie	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Matt Murray	G​	23​	3,750,000​	3,750,000​	3,750,000​
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WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward..................................	Pos.​	Age​	..........2017-18​	..........2018-19​	..........2019-20​
Zach Aston-Reese	LW​	23​	925,000​	925,000​	RFA​
Adam Johnson	C​	23​	925,000​	925,000​	RFA​
Thomas Di Pauli	C​	23​	742,500​	RFA​
Freddie Tiffels	LW​	22​	742,500​	742,500​	RFA​
Sam Miletic	LW​	20​	710,000​	710,000​	710,000​
Teddy Blueger	C​	23​	705,000​	RFA​
Daniel Sprong	RW​	20​	692,500​	RFA​
Dominik Simon	C​	23​	692,500​	RFA​
Jean-Sebastien Dea	C​	23​	650,000​	RFA​
Garrett Wilson	LW​	24​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Greg McKegg	C​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Tom Sestito	LW​	29​	650,000​	UFA​
Defense	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Andrey Pedan	D​	24​	750,000​	RFA​
Jeff Taylor	D​	23​	742,500​	742,500​	RFA​
Ethan Prow	D​	24​	730,000​	RFA​
Lukas Bengtsson	D​	24​	705,000​	RFA​
Frank Corrado	D​	24​	650,000​	RFA​
Jarred Tinordi	D​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Zach Trotman	D​	27​	650,000​	UFA​
Kevin Czuczman	D​	26​	650,000​	UFA​
Chris Summers	D​	29​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Goalie	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Sean Maguire	G​	25​	705,000​	RFA​
Casey DeSmith	G​	25​	675,000​	675,000​	UFA​
Tristan Jarry	G​	22​	630,833​	RFA​

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SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player	Pos.​	Age​	Current team​	Contract​
Filip Gustavsson	G​	19​	Lulea HF (SHL)​	3 years/775,833 per​
Alex D'Orio	G​	18​	Saint John (QMJHL)​	3 years/716,667 per​
Jordy Bellerive	C​	18​	Lethbridge (WHL)​	3 years/716,667 per​

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UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player	Pos.​	Age​	Current team​
Niclas Almari	D​	19​	HPK (Liiga)
Anthony Angello	F​	21​	Cornell (ECAC)
Dane Birks	D​	21​	Michigan Tech (WCHA)
Kasper Bjorkqvist	F​	19​	Providence (HEA)
Jan Drozg	F​	18​	Shawinigan (QMJHL)
Connor Hall	D​	19​	Kitchener (OHL)
Ryan Jones	D​	21​	Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)
Sam Lafferty	F​	22​	Brown (ECAC)
Zachary Lauzon	D​	18​	Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
Joe Masonius	D​	20​	Connecticut (HEA)
Linus Olund	F​	20​	Brynas IF (SHL)
Antti Palojarvi	D​	18​	Lukko U20 (SML Jr.A)
Nikita Pavlychev	F​	20​	Penn State (Big Ten)
Clayton Phillips	D​	17​	Fargo (USHL)
Will Reilly	D​	19​	RPI (ECAC)
Dominik Uher	C​	24​	HC Sparta Praha (ELH)

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[KIRK]

Just a note about the Pens scouting the Colorado-Vegas game last night.

1. The market for a 3C has been dead all year. Some people naively think JR was just waiting on Sheahan for his 3C. Two things in reply: One, do people really think JR is so stupid as to think 'I'm going to have no goals Sheahan and McKegg replace Bonino and Cullen'? Two, Sheahan was needed NOW because someone Sully would trust was needed to help take away some of those hard minutes Sid and even Geno had been playing . . . wearing Sid and Geno out has been pretty much the biggest early season worry, even more than the defensive play.

2. It's my understanding that JR's first three choices for a 3C are Duchene, Duchene, and Duchene. He's the guy JR loves. It's also my understanding that he keeps checking in with Sakic now and then but there's really no deal to be done because (a) Colorado won't do a thing until they come back to earth, (b) one can question, after breaking what the Isles, Pens, and Jackets thought were verbal deal over the last 12 months, how serious Sakic truly is about moving Duchene, and (c) the Pens very likely won't have the best package if the day comes that Sakic truly gets serious.

3. It's my understanding that failing the Duchene dream scenario, JR's fallback has been Vegas, most likely but not necessarily Huala.

Well, Huala came back last night . . . and he was the Golden Knights' L3 LW. Seems like Vegas is set up the middle with Eakin-Karlsson-Lindberg, and it's not as if they don't have other guys aside from Huala who can play C.

Just a gut feeling, based on what I understand . . . Duchene dream notwithstanding, JR is looking to Vegas for his 3C. Huala and Sheahan has a nice ring to it, and Huala at 2.75M for two years after this fits perfectly not just in terms of playing style but also in terms of the cap considerations.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

“Based on what though? Id rather have the 5 most skilled guys out there. They'll find a way. Guentzel will tip a few in.


If Hornqvist played LW, I would be more inclined to overpay for him.

I'd kill for that menace, Tkachuk in Calgary, plays LW, hated by everyone in the league, has top end skill and will run through a wall because he's a physco. He's the best in the game at that role. I'd give up Guentzel and some for him.”

Quoting from the previous thread.

We can not base the build of this team purely off of skill as in top shelf skill. Look no further than the Capitals. Few would disagree that they have not had the highest just dripping from top to bottom skill for years and year but they have won nothing other than some meaningless Presidents trophies. To win what matters, the only thing that matters. A Cup. You have to have a blend of skill, speed, grit, and just pure sheer will. The last two Hornqvist embodies just waking up everyday, and I’d argue its easier to find skill and speed than the other two. It’s not every day you find a person that will go out and simply die on the ice for his team.

 

[Peat]

Just a note about the Pens scouting the Colorado-Vegas game last night.

1. The market for a 3C has been dead all year. Some people naively think JR was just waiting on Sheahan for his 3C. Two things in reply: One, do people really think JR is so stupid as to think 'I'm going to have no goals Sheahan and McKegg replace Bonino and Cullen'? Two, Sheahan was needed NOW because someone Sully would trust was needed to help take away some of those hard minutes Sid and even Geno had been playing . . . wearing Sid and Geno out has been pretty much the biggest early season worry, even more than the defensive play.

Well I've always thought it a pretty scary idea that Sheahan might have been an ideal target rather than a make-do target, and an even scarier idea that we could have ended up with someone less appealing. But to take Rutherford at face value on there being guys he could trade for and guys he thought might shake lose, Sheahan had to be the second (unless there's something you know about that trade that we don't). Maybe I shouldn't be taking Rutherford at face value, although I find it easier to do so for the sake of argument when talking about what he said.

In any case... yeah, I think Rutherford's had to wait for Sheahan, but that doesn't necessarily mean I think he's been waiting on Sheahan and just Sheahan. You want to tell me that all that's happened is that Rutherford had to wait this long for an acceptable stop gap and he'll look for another guy down the line, then I am happy to hear that.

Except for the bit where I have nervous sweaty thoughts about what Duchene might cost if Rutherford gets his way.


edit: Question for the charts up top - Should Miletic be in the WBS roster when he's been assigned to juniors?

 

[Ogrezilla]

I honestly doubt JR knows if he plans on getting another 3C yet. I think he went for Sheahan because he is cheap enough asset-wise to be a stop-gap pickup, but he also has the upside to be a 3C. Until he plays a fair number of games here, I don't think JR will have made his mind up on the 3C situation for a couple of months.

I would expect some other center though. A top end 4C if we don't get a full-on 3C.

 

[KIRK]

Well I've always thought it a pretty scary idea that Sheahan might have been an ideal target rather than a make-do target, and an even scarier idea that we could have ended up with someone less appealing. But to take Rutherford at face value on there being guys he could trade for and guys he thought might shake lose, Sheahan had to be the second (unless there's something you know about that trade that we don't). Maybe I shouldn't be taking Rutherford at face value, although I find it easier to do so for the sake of argument when talking about what he said.

In any case... yeah, I think Rutherford's had to wait for Sheahan, but that doesn't necessarily mean I think he's been waiting on Sheahan and just Sheahan. You want to tell me that all that's happened is that Rutherford had to wait this long for an acceptable stop gap and he'll look for another guy down the line, then I am happy to hear that.

Except for the bit where I have nervous sweaty thoughts about what Duchene might cost if Rutherford gets his way.

Oh, I don't think Duchene happens. I think it's JR's wet dream. I hope the scouting was for Vegas. As noted, Huala returns the night the Pens decide to scout and isn't playing center . . . fingers crossed.

That said, I can assure you that it's my understanding from everyone that Sheahan was acquired to prevent wearing Sid and Geno out until the 3C market develops AND because he'll be a nice 4C for the playoffs. I can assure you JR's master plan to replace Bonino and Cullen isn't zero goals Sheahan and McKegg.

 

[KIRK]

I honestly doubt JR knows if he plans on getting another 3C yet. I think he went for Sheahan because he is cheap enough asset-wise to be a stop-gap pickup, but he also has the upside to be a 3C. Until he plays a fair number of games here, I don't think JR will have made his mind up on the 3C situation for a couple of months.

As of a few days ago, there was NO market, as I understand it. Huala's return as a L3 LW with Vegas running Eakin-Karlsson-Lindberg down the middle and the Pens scouting Vegas may signal that Vegas is open for to discuss a deal.

 

[Peat]

Oh, I don't think Duchene happens. I think it's JR's wet dream. I hope the scouting was for Vegas. As noted, Huala returns the night the Pens decide to scout and isn't playing center . . . fingers crossed.

That said, I can assure you that it's my understanding from everyone that Sheahan was acquired to prevent wearing Sid and Geno out until the 3C market develops AND because he'll be a nice 4C for the playoffs. I can assure you JR's master plan to replace Bonino and Cullen isn't zero goals Sheahan and McKegg.

I never assumed it was the final plan, not unless those two went bananas. Just I wasn't quite sure what the final plan might look like.

Also... be honest: are you just saying Haula to toy with Cole's emotions?

 

[KIRK]

I never assumed it was the final plan, not unless those two went bananas. Just I wasn't quite sure what the final plan might look like.

Also... be honest: are you just saying Haula to toy with Cole's emotions?

It's my understanding that a center from Vegas has been discussed. Huala is the only name that's been mentioned as A possibility, not THE possibility necessarily.

That said, toying with Cole's emotions is a definite bonus.

 

[Bruru71]

It's my understanding that a center from Vegas has been discussed. Huala is the only name that's been mentioned as A possibility, not THE possibility necessarily.

That said, toying with Cole's emotions is a definite bonus.

Pens had a scout at the Colorado-Dallas game as well as the Colorado-Las Vegas game according to Adaters twitter 3 days ago.

 

[KIRK]

Pens had a scout at the Colorado-Dallas game as well as the Colorado-Las Vegas game according to Adaters twitter 5 days ago.

Then maybe it is the Duchene wet dream again. I did note that JR's first three choices for 3C are Duchene, Duchene, and Duchene. Vegas is the fall back from my understanding. Again, nothing imminent to my knowledge . . .

 

[Andy99]

Then maybe it is the Duchene wet dream again. I did note that JR's first three choices for 3C are Duchene, Duchene, and Duchene. Vegas is the fall back from my understanding. Again, nothing imminent to my knowledge . . .

You can't not look at our putrid ES offensive production recently (see tonight) and not agree with JR. He'd look awfully good here but Sakic has not shown an inkling to trade him for anything reasonable....

 

[The GM]

You can't not look at our putrid ES offensive production recently (see tonight) and not agree with JR. He'd look awfully good here but Sakic has not shown an inkling to trade him for anything reasonable....

Can we still get him now that we traded the centrepiece of the deal, poo?

 

[enviSAGE]

Haula or maybe Shipachyov at 1/2 if McKegg can't prove it by New Years. Probably another year w/o a 1st round pick if so..

Bet they're hoping Aston-Reese or Simon can put some points up and join Sprong on the leap over this year.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

I honestly doubt JR knows if he plans on getting another 3C yet. I think he went for Sheahan because he is cheap enough asset-wise to be a stop-gap pickup, but he also has the upside to be a 3C. Until he plays a fair number of games here, I don't think JR will have made his mind up on the 3C situation for a couple of months.

I would expect some other center though. A top end 4C if we don't get a full-on 3C.

This is a fair assessment. In the off-season I was hoping for this move it’s a buy low hope for high move. GMJR is smart and calculate. If Sheahan pays off he solved something at a minimal cost, that meaning if he reclaims his skill and becomes a 3C solution. If not then he’s a stead fast 4C. It’s smart, see if this guy can be a 3C from here till trade deadline. If not get someone else, and if he does sit fast and buy later. Same move I’d do in his shoes. You don’t have to have your roster nailed down tight in October.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Your post is reasonable, although I'd still argue that I'd prefer a reclamation project with a higher upside, for two reasons. The first is that even if Sheahan pays off, he's simply not skilled enough to be a high-end 3C, merely a passable one. The second is that they've been winning the Cup with Smythe-type play from Crosby and Malkin with two 3Cs behind them. To get that again, they need Crosby and Malkin each to have enough energy to play Smythe-level hockey (meaning they need rest, meaning that lines centered by other players will need to step up in the regular season), and they'd need to have two 3Cs.

I had to like your post for the signature, though.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Your post is reasonable, although I'd still argue that I'd prefer a reclamation project with a higher upside, for two reasons. The first is that even if Sheahan pays off, he's simply not skilled enough to be a high-end 3C, merely a passable one. The second is that they've been winning the Cup with Smythe-type play from Crosby and Malkin with two 3Cs behind them. To get that again, they need Crosby and Malkin each to have enough energy to play Smythe-level hockey (meaning they need rest, meaning that lines centered by other players will need to step up in the regular season), and they'd need to have two 3Cs.

Sid and Geno are each averaging about 30 extra seconds a game vs last year. And they are both averaging less time per game than they did in 2015-2016. Malkin is actually playing less 5v5 time than he did last year, too.

Sheahan and McKegg are actually right in line with what Bonino and Cullen played when they were our 3rd and 4th line centers last year too.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Their playing time doesn't need to be in line with previous years. It needs to be considerably lower. They get a year older every year, and they've played about 50 extra games over the past two years.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Their playing time doesn't need to be in line with previous years. It needs to be considerably lower. They get a year older every year, and they've played about 50 extra games over the past two years.

well we just went from one guy playing 3rd line minutes in McKegg to now having two guys who can play 3rd line minutes in McKegg and Sheahan. If Sully wanted to lower Sid and Geno's minutes he could. But he hasn't done it. I honestly doubt they want him to. You just aren't going to see any coach in the NHL regularly play Sid and Geno significantly less than they have always played. If we added Duchene today, I doubt you'd see Sid or Geno's ice time drop by more than maybe 30 seconds. They'd just find ways to get more time for Duchene outside of his typical 3C shifts.

As for quality, Sheahan has looked good imo. Not spectacular, but good. Which is about as much as you can say for the majority of Bones' regular season games here.

 

[WayneSid9987]

I just don't think theres much out there atm but things can and will change in a hurry but that still doesn't mean every player you think will be available will actually, in fact, be available.

Only thing i can say for sure is Shipyachev is available right now and Tierney might've been or still is. Galchenyuk, same.

Other thing is, Friedman talked to a GM a week ago that said any player GM's around the league want off of Vegas, they ain't available right now. But again, thinks can change...or not...

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[Riptide]

Their playing time doesn't need to be in line with previous years. It needs to be considerably lower. They get a year older every year, and they've played about 50 extra games over the past two years.

55-60 when you count the World Cup. Thank God we're not going to the Olympics this year... or they'd be playing another 5-10 games.

 

[Riptide]

As for quality, Sheahan has looked good imo. Not spectacular, but good. Which is about as much as you can say for the majority of Bones' regular season games here.

Agreed. Not great, but very good. Now if we can just get someone with more skill on his wing, and perhaps we will see a line that's actually built to score, instead of just grinding it up and hoping to get it to the front of the net.

 

[deakka]

I dont know if Duchene is someone you need to send a scout to watch?

Maybe scouting secondary pieces of the trade tho. Or maybe Soderberg?

I still consider Duchene a pipe dream. It would take Maatta ++

It doesnt feel like we can part with Maatta tbh. If we do that we really need to make another trade to replace him.

 

[Slaaapshuter]

There's no way of adding Duchene and make us a better team imo. With the pieces needed to get him, the best scenario from a net perspective is a lateral move.

It would create a massive hole somewhere or many smaller holes spread out. In any case water is coming in. And that's not worth it to fill a 3C spot, no matter how good he is.

Would love to get him here for peanuts though...

 

[deakka]

Whats up with Zadorov?
Seems to be in the dog house.
Maybe they could add him and we add another piece to help offset the loss of Maatta?

Or maybe hes just bad and thats why hes scratched?