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Aug 14, 2011
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All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.
2017-18 salary ceiling$75,000,000
Projected dollars committed
74,104,591​
Projected LTIR Used
1,225​
Approximate cap space
$896,634
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PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward..................................
Pos.
Age
..........2017-18
..........2018-19
..........2019-20
Evgeni Malkin
C​
31​
9,500,000​
9,500,000​
9,500,000​
Sidney Crosby
C​
30​
8,700,000​
8,700,000​
8,700,000​
Phil Kessel
RW​
29​
6,800,000​
6,800,000​
6,800,000​
Patric Hornqvist
RW​
30​
4,250,000​
UFA
Carl Hagelin
LW​
29​
4,000,000​
4,000,000​
UFA
Conor Sheary
LW​
25​
3,000,000​
3,000,000​
3,000,000​
Riley Sheahan
C​
25​
2,075,000​
RFA
Ryan Reaves
RW​
30​
1,125,000​
UFA
Jake Guentzel
LW​
22​
734,167​
734,167​
RFA
Dominik Simon
C/RW​
23​
692,500​
RFA
Bryan Rust
RW​
25​
640,000​
RFA
Tom Kuhnhackl
LW​
25​
625,000​
RFA
Carter Rowney
C​
28​
612,500​
UFA
Defense
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Kris Letang
D​
30​
7,250,000​
7,250,000​
7,250,000​
Justin Schultz
D​
27​
5,500,000​
5,500,000​
5,500,000​
Brian Dumoulin
D​
26​
4,100,000​
4,100,000​
4,100,000​
Olli Maatta
D​
23​
4,083,333​
4,083,333​
4,083,333​
Matt Hunwick
D​
32​
2,250,000​
2,250,000​
2,250,000​
Ian Cole
D​
28​
2,100,000​
UFA
Jamie Oleksiak
D​
25​
964,688​
RFA
Chad Ruhwedel
D​
27​
650,000​
650,000​
UFA
Goalie
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Matt Murray
G​
23​
3,750,000​
3,750,000​
3,750,000​
Tristan Jarry
G​
22​
630,833​
RFA
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WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS
Forward..................................
Pos.
Age
..........2017-18
..........2018-19
..........2019-20
Zach Aston-Reese
LW​
23​
925,000​
925,000​
RFA
Adam Johnson
C​
23​
925,000​
925,000​
RFA
Thomas Di Pauli
C​
23​
742,500​
RFA
Freddie Tiffels
LW​
22​
742,500​
742,500​
RFA
Sam Miletic
LW​
20​
710,000​
710,000​
710,000​
Teddy Blueger
C​
23​
705,000​
RFA
Daniel Sprong
RW​
20​
692,500​
RFA
Jean-Sebastien Dea
C​
23​
650,000​
RFA
Garrett Wilson
LW​
24​
650,000​
650,000​
UFA
Greg McKegg
C​
25​
650,000​
RFA
Tom Sestito
LW​
29​
650,000​
UFA
Defense
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Andrey Pedan
D​
24​
750,000​
RFA
Jeff Taylor
D​
23​
742,500​
742,500​
RFA
Ethan Prow
D​
24​
730,000​
RFA
Lukas Bengtsson
D​
24​
705,000​
RFA
Frank Corrado
D​
24​
650,000​
RFA
Jarred Tinordi
D​
25​
650,000​
RFA
Zach Trotman
D​
27​
650,000​
UFA
Kevin Czuczman
D​
26​
650,000​
UFA
Chris Summers
D​
29​
650,000​
650,000​
UFA
Goalie
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Sean Maguire
G​
25​
705,000​
RFA
Casey DeSmith
G​
25​
675,000​
675,000​
UFA
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SIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current team
Contract
Filip Gustavsson
G​
19​
Lulea HF (SHL)​
3 years/775,833 per​
Alex D'Orio
G​
18​
Saint John (QMJHL)​
3 years/716,667 per​
Jordy Bellerive
C​
18​
Lethbridge (WHL)​
3 years/716,667 per​
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UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player
Pos.
Age
Current team
Niclas Almari
D​
19​
HPK (Liiga)
Anthony Angello
F​
21​
Cornell (ECAC)
Dane Birks
D​
21​
Michigan Tech (WCHA)
Kasper Bjorkqvist
F​
19​
Providence (HEA)
Jan Drozg
F​
18​
Shawinigan (QMJHL)
Connor Hall
D​
19​
Kitchener (OHL)
Ryan Jones
D​
21​
Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)
Sam Lafferty
F​
22​
Brown (ECAC)
Zachary Lauzon
D​
18​
Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
Joe Masonius
D​
20​
Connecticut (HEA)
Linus Olund
F​
20​
Brynas IF (SHL)
Antti Palojarvi
D​
18​
Lukko U20 (SML Jr.A)
Nikita Pavlychev
F​
20​
Penn State (Big Ten)
Clayton Phillips
D​
17​
Fargo (USHL)
Will Reilly
D​
19​
RPI (ECAC)
Dominik Uher
C​
24​
HC Sparta Praha (ELH)
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WayneSid9987

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Caught the latest Insider Trading. Lebrun had a firm price for Kane:

1st+top prospect+conditional pick if he re-signs.

Best we can do is probably 1st+ZAR+conditional pick+a cap dump(Cole or Hags). Tested it out and the $ could work with Kane 50% retained with Cole being the cap dump if you demote a Kuhn or Rowney...Could also demote Simon for a bit if he's still waiver ineligible.

Simon-Sid-Sprong
Kane-G-Phil
Jake-Sheahan-Horny
Hags-Rowney-Rust
Sheary
Reaves

Only thing is would BUF accept ZAR instead of Sprong.
Gonna say doubt it..
Thats a helluva lineup tho(without that 3C yet)
 

The Old Master

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Caught the latest Insider Trading. Lebrun had a firm price for Kane:

1st+top prospect+conditional pick if he re-signs.

Best we can do is probably 1st+ZAR+conditional pick+a cap dump(Cole or Hags). Tested it out and the $ could work with Kane 50% retained with Cole being the cap dump if you demote a Kuhn or Rowney...

Simon-Sid-Sprong
Kane-G-Phil
Jake-Sheahan-Horny
Hags-Rowney-Rust
Sheary
Reaves

Only thing is would BUF accept ZAR instead of Sprong.
Gonna say doubt it...
Thats a helluva lineup tho...
I was on the sabers board....they seemed to think a first & a defense man would be fair.
 

Mr Jiggyfly

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Caught the latest Insider Trading. Lebrun had a firm price for Kane:

1st+top prospect+conditional pick if he re-signs.

Best we can do is probably 1st+ZAR+conditional pick+a cap dump(Cole or Hags). Tested it out and the $ could work with Kane 50% retained with Cole being the cap dump if you demote a Kuhn or Rowney...Could also demote Simon for a bit if he's still waiver ineligible.

Simon-Sid-Sprong
Kane-G-Phil
Jake-Sheahan-Horny
Hags-Rowney-Rust
Sheary
Reaves

Only thing is would BUF accept ZAR instead of Sprong.
Gonna say doubt it..
Thats a helluva lineup tho(without that 3C yet)

I can't see the conditional pick happening. It's very likely Kane is walking this summer, despite some Buffalo fans thinking otherwise. He's played on bad teams his entire career, and he now has the chance to fix that and command a premium.

Does anyone think he's passing that scenario up to stay in Buffalo?

Botts will have to play a game of chicken right up to the deadline I bet, because he can't just let him walk for nothing.

I think he gets a first and B prospect.
 

Shady Machine

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I can't see the conditional pick happening. It's very likely Kane is walking this summer, despite some Buffalo fans thinking otherwise. He's played on bad teams his entire career, and he now has the chance to fix that and command a premium.

Does anyone think he's passing that scenario up to stay in Buffalo?

Botts will have to play a game of chicken right up to the deadline I bet, because he can't just let him walk for nothing.

I think he gets a first and B prospect.

Conditional pick is if he re-signs after being traded. So let's say 1st + (insert non existent top prospect) to the Pens. If Kane re-signs in Pittsburgh, JR sends Botts a 3rd or something.
 

Mr Jiggyfly

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Conditional pick is if he re-signs after being traded. So let's say 1st + (insert non existent top prospect) to the Pens. If Kane re-signs in Pittsburgh, JR sends Botts a 3rd or something.

No, I understand what the condition is, but I'm saying I can't see another GM doing that.

Botts will be over a barrel by deadline day if Kane isn't moved by then, and it will be a game of chicken at that point.

Botts has the most to lose if he doesn't make a deal, but all it takes is one GM to panic I guess.
 

Shady Machine

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No, I understand what the condition is, but I'm saying I can't see another GM doing that.

Botts will be over a barrel by deadline day if Kane isn't moved by then, and it will be a game of chicken at that point.

Botts has the most to lose if he doesn't make a deal, but all it takes is one GM to panic I guess.

Oh gotcha. I would think you'd have a few GM's interested in re-signing Kane and Botts may only allow his agent to speak to those teams that are willing to pay the conditional pick.
 

Empoleon8771

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It sounds like Botterill is shooting for a return similar to Shattenkirk, because wasn't Shattenkirk's return a 1st, a conditional 2nd and a Sundqvist caliber prospect? I'd do that deal if they can get another 1st by trading Hornqvist, but I wouldn't do it with the Penguins 1st.
 

UnderratedBrooks44

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Caught the latest Insider Trading. Lebrun had a firm price for Kane:

1st+top prospect+conditional pick if he re-signs.

Best we can do is probably 1st+ZAR+conditional pick+a cap dump(Cole or Hags). Tested it out and the $ could work with Kane 50% retained with Cole being the cap dump if you demote a Kuhn or Rowney...Could also demote Simon for a bit if he's still waiver ineligible.

Simon-Sid-Sprong
Kane-G-Phil
Jake-Sheahan-Horny
Hags-Rowney-Rust
Sheary
Reaves

Only thing is would BUF accept ZAR instead of Sprong.
Gonna say doubt it..
Thats a helluva lineup tho(without that 3C yet)

Well, we COULD do better. 1st + Sprong is the package they're talking about. ZAR is not considered a top prospect I wouldn't think. If there's pressure to trade Kane maybe a more reasonable deal could come about, but then you get into a bunch of other teams being able to throw their hats in the ring.
 

Ryder71

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No way do you trade a first and Sprong for a UFA. I don't care who it is. We can't continue to go down that path. Even if you sign Kane, you look to move a different asset then Sprong. He's young, cheap and those are the types of players you need when you have aging stars.
 

Shady Machine

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Well, we COULD do better. 1st + Sprong is the package they're talking about. ZAR is not considered a top prospect I wouldn't think. If there's pressure to trade Kane maybe a more reasonable deal could come about, but then you get into a bunch of other teams being able to throw their hats in the ring.

Sure we could, but that wouldn't be wise.
 
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Empoleon8771

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Rentals never bring back Sprong caliber prospects, especially not ones that are already playing in the NHL. No, ZAR, a 1st and a conditional 2nd is what Kane will likely end up costing. It's the same type of package that Shattenkirk brought back.
 

Ryder71

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If we're gonna pursue Kane the best way to do it is a sign and trade. Give them Sheary and our first (protected). That gives BUF two good assets moving forward and it gives us a top six, if not top line LW for years to come. I think that would make sense for both sides. And if he won't sign, move on.
 

Harvey Birdman

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Not trading Sprong unless its for a BIG upgrade. Kane as a UFA is not that, I would argue a signed Kane is not enough of an upgrade to consider trading a cost controlled winger with the speed and hands that he has.
 

Speaking Moistly

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If we're gonna pursue Kane the best way to do it is a sign and trade. Give them Sheary and our first (protected). That gives BUF two good assets moving forward and it gives us a top six, if not top line LW for years to come. I think that would make sense for both sides. And if he won't sign, move on.

Signing gets into much more of the personality concerns. As a rental those are largely mitigated, although this team is such a mess right now I don’t think you can count in their strong room to contain him. You don’t want Sprong sporting two money phones and Ed Hardy shirts in a couple of years.
 

Ryder71

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Signing gets into much more of the personality concerns. As a rental those are largely mitigated, although this team is such a mess right now I don’t think you can count in their strong room to contain him. You don’t want Sprong sporting two money phones and Ed Hardy shirts in a couple of years.

Well, if those are legitimate concerns than it wouldn't make sense to bring him here in the first place. Rental or otherwise. Personally, I don't have those concerns.
 

Mr Jiggyfly

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Someone on the Trade Board said the Insider's Trading bit was a 1st, prospect and conditional pick.

They said it wasn't stated what the prospect should be:

TSN Insider Trading suggests that the asking price is a 1st, a prospect and a conditional pick, if he resigns with that team. No hint as to the quality of the prospect, or the quality of the conditional pick,​

So perhaps the "top prospect" bit was misunderstood by the other poster on our board?
 

Riptide

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Rentals never bring back Sprong caliber prospects, especially not ones that are already playing in the NHL. No, ZAR, a 1st and a conditional 2nd is what Kane will likely end up costing. It's the same type of package that Shattenkirk brought back.

I agree completely. And on the flip side, this is the same sort of package that Hornqvist would bring back. IF we're really lucky we could get an NHL player, but get a 2nd or something for the rest of it.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if JR attempted(or is attempting) to get max value for a signed Horny in a deal...

All depends on the returns of that sorta deal, a Cole UFA or Cole signed deal, a Sheary and/or Hags deal. These are the types of things we aren't privy to(the returns).

Like i said, if the brass' thought process is Letang ain't goin' anywhere. Neither is a Sprong or Phil...nor a Dumo nor Maatta nor Schultz...JR doesn't have many options left to attempt to get max value.

If Rutherford signs him, it won't be to trade him. I can see a few GMs doing that... but Rutherford wouldn't - it's just not his style. It's the same reason he waited 2 months for Cullen to come to a decision.

As for your not going anywhere guys, I'm not convinced that Maatta or Dumoulin are on that list. They won't be shipped out of town and told to GTFO, but they will be moved if it's in a deal that makes the team better. These are nice to have pieces, but also ones that can be replaced a lot easier then a Letang caliber player can.
 

Riptide

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I think we need somebody a fair bit better than Sheahan for 3C, at least offensively. Bozak would be the only one of your group I would be comfortable in that role, and he's not going to come in at near 3 mil per.

Do we though? Sheahan is already producing at the lower end of 3Cs while getting significantly harder zone starts then almost every single one of those other 3Cs. I'm fairly certain that if we gave him better linemates (or at least consistent ones) and slightly better zone starts (into that 40-45% range we gave Bonino) that he'd be producing more than the 10g/33pt pace he's been on since arriving here - which includes those first 10 games where things were really changed around on him. Or maybe just some PP time to boost his numbers like we did Bonino. Because based on Sheahan's ES numbers, he's basically on pare with what Bonino did here the last 2 years (ahead of 16/17, a touch behind 15/16). And he's doing it with much worse zone starts and without having Kessel as his #1 winger. I don't think we're giving him nearly enough credit here.

As for finding another center. I listed 6 names (all pending FAs) in that post (Ryan, Nash, Filppula, Bozak, Pleks, Letestu). 2 of which are players on pace for ~40 points (10.5g/38pts, 17g/42pts). Then there's Filppula and his ~17g/33pt pace. And then there's Bozak and his 15g/42pt pace. The latter two I think will be expensive due to their more established resume's. The former two (Nash and Ryan) I think if they make it to FA, can be signed to a deal in that 3-4m range that we can likely afford. And even Letestu is someone who's been on pace for 30+ for every one of his NHL seasons, and who should be reasonably affordable. I'm not sure what Pleks would cost, but I don't think it would be that expensive and as a 3/4C I think he'd be fine. Certainly not at the top of my list, but definitely good enough to play that sort of role.

We do not need a 40-50pt #3C. It would be nice to have, but those are expensive. As we saw the last 2 years... having a pair of 30+ point centers to fill the 3/4C roles, and guys who can consistently win faceoffs, produce a little and be sound defensively goes a very very long way - especially when you can give them some quality wingers. These guys are also a lot cheaper and a lot easier to find.
 
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66-30-33

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I'd be pissed if we went for a rental, especially after JR said a trade wont fix this mess. Now a sign and trade? sure. I want long term players here. Only "rentals" we should bother with are like depth dmen in case of injuries, but if we are far out of the playoffs by the TD then forget about it.
 

billybudd

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I don't like the idea of trading Sheary to rent Kane at all, let alone adding picks and prospects on top of that. You're trading 2.5 years of a relatively cheap point producer for 1/2 a year of a guy who's going UFA at the same position.

Additionally, it would be far wiser to allocate that cap space on a center and/or a defenseman than it would on a wing.
 
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