Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building | Monday, February 26

[DegenX]

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.

2017-18 salary ceiling	$75,000,000
Projected dollars committed	75,129,309​
Projected LTIR Used	531,741​
Approximate cap space	$402,432​

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PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward..................................	Pos.​	Age​	..........2017-18​	..........2018-19​	..........2019-20​
Evgeni Malkin	C​	31​	9,500,000​	9,500,000​	9,500,000​
Sidney Crosby	C​	30​	8,700,000​	8,700,000​	8,700,000​
Phil Kessel	RW​	29​	6,800,000​	6,800,000​	6,800,000​
Patric Hornqvist	RW​	30​	4,250,000​	UFA​
Carl Hagelin	LW​	29​	4,000,000​	4,000,000​	UFA​
Conor Sheary	LW​	25​	3,000,000​	3,000,000​	3,000,000​
Riley Sheahan	C​	25​	2,075,000​	RFA​
Ryan Reaves	RW​	30​	1,125,000​	UFA​
Jake Guentzel	LW​	22​	734,167​	734,167​	RFA​
Dominik Simon	C/RW​	23​	692,500​	RFA​
Bryan Rust	RW​	25​	640,000​	RFA​
Daniel Sprong	RW​	20​	692,500​	RFA​
Jean-Sebastien Dea	C​	23​	650,000​	RFA​
Tom Kuhnhackl	LW​	25​	625,000​	RFA​
Carter Rowney	C​	28​	612,500​	UFA​
Defense	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Kris Letang	D​	30​	7,250,000​	7,250,000​	7,250,000​
Justin Schultz	D​	27​	5,500,000​	5,500,000​	5,500,000​
Brian Dumoulin	D​	26​	4,100,000​	4,100,000​	4,100,000​
Olli Maatta	D​	23​	4,083,333​	4,083,333​	4,083,333​
Matt Hunwick	D​	32​	2,250,000​	2,250,000​	2,250,000​
Ian Cole	D​	28​	2,100,000​	UFA​
Jamie Oleksiak	D​	25​	964,688​	RFA​
Chad Ruhwedel	D​	27​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Goalie	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Matt Murray	G​	23​	3,750,000​	3,750,000​	3,750,000​
Tristan Jarry	G​	22​	630,833​	RFA​
Casey DeSmith	G​	25​	675,000​	675,000​	UFA​

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WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward..................................	Pos.​	Age​	..........2017-18​	..........2018-19​	..........2019-20​
Zach Aston-Reese	LW​	23​	925,000​	925,000​	RFA​
Adam Johnson	C​	23​	925,000​	925,000​	RFA​
Thomas Di Pauli	C​	23​	742,500​	RFA​
Freddie Tiffels	LW​	22​	742,500​	742,500​	RFA​
Sam Miletic	LW​	20​	710,000​	710,000​	710,000​
Teddy Blueger	C​	23​	705,000​	RFA​
Garrett Wilson	LW​	24​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Greg McKegg	C​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Tom Sestito	LW​	29​	650,000​	UFA​
Defense	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Andrey Pedan	D​	24​	750,000​	RFA​
Jeff Taylor	D​	23​	742,500​	742,500​	RFA​
Ethan Prow	D​	24​	730,000​	RFA​
Lukas Bengtsson	D​	24​	705,000​	RFA​
Frank Corrado	D​	24​	650,000​	RFA​
Jarred Tinordi	D​	25​	650,000​	RFA​
Zach Trotman	D​	27​	650,000​	UFA​
Kevin Czuczman	D​	26​	650,000​	UFA​
Chris Summers	D​	29​	650,000​	650,000​	UFA​
Goalie	Pos.​	Age​	2017-18​	2018-19​	2019-20​
Michael Leighton	G​	36​	650,000​	UFA​

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SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player	Pos.​	Age​	Current team​	Contract​
Filip Gustavsson	G​	19​	Lulea HF (SHL)​	3 years/775,833 per​
Alex D'Orio	G​	18​	Saint John (QMJHL)​	3 years/716,667 per​
Jordy Bellerive	C​	18​	Lethbridge (WHL)​	3 years/716,667 per​

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UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player	Pos.​	Age​	Current team​
Niclas Almari	D​	19​	HPK (Liiga)
Anthony Angello	F​	21​	Cornell (ECAC)
Dane Birks	D​	21​	Michigan Tech (WCHA)
Kasper Bjorkqvist	F​	19​	Providence (HEA)
Jan Drozg	F​	18​	Shawinigan (QMJHL)
Connor Hall	D​	19​	Kitchener (OHL)
Ryan Jones	D​	21​	Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)
Sam Lafferty	F​	22​	Brown (ECAC)
Zachary Lauzon	D​	18​	Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
Joe Masonius	D​	20​	Connecticut (HEA)
Linus Olund	F​	20​	Brynas IF (SHL)
Antti Palojarvi	D​	18​	Lukko U20 (SML Jr.A)
Nikita Pavlychev	F​	20​	Penn State (Big Ten)
Clayton Phillips	D​	17​	Fargo (USHL)
Will Reilly	D​	19​	RPI (ECAC)
Dominik Uher	C​	24​	HC Sparta Praha (ELH)

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[66-30-33]

You copy and pasted Soshnikov's name...didn't you?

Copied, then rewrote it thinking the name would not be bolded, then deleted the name I copied and pasted.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I totally forgot Dominik Uher was a player, and then I looked up his stats. 6 points in 45 games in the Czech league, yikes. A lot of those unsigned prospects are having pretty awful seasons. People rip on Connor Hall, but he's actually having a better year than a lot of those guys

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

And what's his pace this year? Or last year? My point was he puts up ~ 30 ES points yearly and it doesn't really seem to matter who he plays with.

Last year he put up 31 ES points playing with Hoffman. This year he's on pace for 26 ES points on a bad Sens team playing with Smith and Pyatt.

So Pageau scores more with better players on a better team and less with worse players on a worse team, as one might expect. The difference is that when Pageau is playing with bad players on the Sens, he can still keep pace with Sheahan when he has great wingers on the Pens.

And Sheahan is putting up roughly the same pace as Bonino last year (and this year), and the same pace as Pageau this year - and getting harder starts then either of them, and we're talking about how one is some supposed massive upgrade offensively over the other.

Again, for one half-season, playing with Guentzel and Kessel on the Pens instead of Pyatt and Smith on the Sens.

You want to talk about 'fit' with Kessel - I have zero issues with that. But don't talk about "an upgrade offensively" and "Pageau" in the same sentence - because that doesn't hold any water to what we're currently getting from our 3C. If we want an upgrade - talk about a legit upgrade, not someone who's stats are only marginally better. If we're just talking about depth, then that's fine too (although most won't like that as much). But then you do not pay Sprong+ for "depth".

Pageau absolutely is an upgrade offensively, provided the scope of your assessment goes beyond a half-season under significantly different circumstances. Over the last 3 seasons (including this one), Pageau has 78 ES points in his last 211 games, and Sheahan has 46 in his last 214 games.

A 32 point gap.

For reference's sake, there's only a 29 point gap between Pageau and Zetterberg over that span (78 in 211 vs. 107 in 215), a 25 point gap between Pageau and Eichel (78 in 211 vs. 103 in 194), a 24 point gap between Pageau and Thornton (78 in 211 vs. 102 in 208) etc.

So don't tell me Pageau isn't an upgrade offensively. It's right there.

 

[ColePens]

I'm going to complain every day in February where we still play Reaves/Kuhn/Rowney on the same night. It's February now. Let's go. Knock this shit off. We won Cups by not doing this.

You said you had a plan, JR, now let's go execute it and start putting together the best possible Pens team. And news flash - there are players in the organization right now better than Reaves, Kuhn, and freaking Rowney.

 

[WayneSid9987]

I'm going to complain every day in February where we still play Reaves/Kuhn/Rowney on the same night. It's February now. Let's go. Knock this **** off. We won Cups by not doing this.

You said you had a plan, JR, now let's go execute it and start putting together the best possible Pens team. And news flash - there are players in the organization right now better than Reaves, Kuhn, and freaking Rowney.

Yea, i think the biggest thing for me atm is with Big Rig now(for the calm everything down quotient), whats the point in icing Reaves who only plays 5on5 for 6 minutes a game? Plug in anyone on Wilkes right now who's a more offensive threat, preferably with speed.

My lineup minus Horny right now would be:

Jake/Simon-Sid-Sprong
Hags-G-Phil/Rust
Jake/Simon-Sheahan-Phil/Rust
Kuhn-Rowney-Dea

Send ZAR down, bring up Sprong.
Waive Reaves. Bring up Dea.
Speed kills.

Or you could throw Dea at C with Rowney on the wing who's better at board play.

 

[Coach Travis]

FWIW, Craig Button (TSN) seems to think Ottawa would be interested in Jarry/Gustavsson for Pageau trade.

 

[Ryder71]

FWIW, Craig Button (TSN) seems to think Ottawa would be interested in Jarry/Gustavsson for Pageau trade.

That would make sense and that's not the first person who said that. It just depends on what other assets the Sens would want.

 

[Ryder71]

And on that note if possible ditch Hunwick and keep Cole.

 

[Andy99]

FWIW, Craig Button (TSN) seems to think Ottawa would be interested in Jarry/Gustavsson for Pageau trade.

I'd be very surprised if that happened. We need Jarry this year. I don't think the organization wants to trade Gus right now either. But if they did, he's a high demand prospect and we should set our sights higher than Pageau if we're trading him. Do they want to trade Brassard?

 

[molon labe]

How much do they expect Cole to make next contract? He had two beast playoffs in a row, but after this season - where he's looked rather average, is he and his agent going to bank on those cup runs? I'm thinking not - as the trade market for him was not all that fierce a few weeks ago... and knowing all this - he could play either side with just three fingers on both hands combined and still look better than Hunwick out there.

Hornqvist needs and rightfully deserves a deal. There are times where you let vets go - and this is about as far from those situations as possible. Get something done.

Oh and perhaps a players meeting or some sort of major fire under Letang's ass - he IS making over 7M and is doing nothing to represent that.

Oh yeah, we need center depth...something that is only obvious now that it is 2018 /sarcasm.

Oh, and our fourth line sucks.

Just start SOMEWHERE.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I'd be very surprised if that happened. We need Jarry this year. I don't think the organization wants to trade Gus right now either. But if they did, he's a high demand prospect and we should set our sights higher than Pageau if we're trading him. Do they want to trade Brassard?

Gus isn’t going to bring back a big deal. We’d have to add something decent to even get Pageau

 

[Riptide]

Last year he put up 31 ES points playing with Hoffman. This year he's on pace for 26 ES points on a bad Sens team playing with Smith and Pyatt.

So don't tell me Pageau isn't an upgrade offensively. It's right there.

Well f***, if he can score 31 ES points with Hoffman and 32 ES points with Stone as his wingers... clearly that's the massive upgrade we need over the 29 ES point pace our current 3C is putting up.

Sounds like he's definitely worth Sprong+.

 

[Riptide]

I'd be very surprised if that happened. We need Jarry this year. I don't think the organization wants to trade Gus right now either. But if they did, he's a high demand prospect and we should set our sights higher than Pageau if we're trading him. Do they want to trade Brassard?

A) Ottawa has said that they do not want to trade Brassard and that if they did, it wouldn't be futures based.
B) Gus doesn't have anything remotely close to the value needed to get JGP. We'd be adding significantly to him. But a JGP deal would be the classic futures for player type of move.

How much do they expect Cole to make next contract? He had two beast playoffs in a row, but after this season - where he's looked rather average, is he and his agent going to bank on those cup runs? I'm thinking not - as the trade market for him was not all that fierce a few weeks ago... and knowing all this - he could play either side with just three fingers on both hands combined and still look better than Hunwick out there.

A) Rumors earlier in the year were something in the 4m range. I always found that a tad high (although you never know), but I think at least 3.5m on the lower end is a pretty safe bet.
B) Yes his agent will bank on the last 2 PO runs. And some chump GM will eat it up. Cole plays a tantalizing brand of hockey - he can skate, he can move the puck passably well, he doesn't suck defensively and he's physical/gritty. Those are things GMs LOVE. And come PO time when things are a little looser penalty wise, it's usually an effective brand of hockey.
C) Hard to judge how much interest there was or wasn't for him simply because you have no clue what Rutherford wanted in return. Was it a few picks and cap space? Was it a 3C? Was it some other NHL caliber player who could contribute immediately? You just do not know. JR could have had calls from 20 teams all serious about Cole... but if he was looking for a 1st++, then it's no surprise that Cole is still a Penguin. Until you know what the ask was, you can't say how interested teams were or weren't.[/QUOTE]

 

[Tom Hanks]

Well ****, if he can score 31 ES points with Hoffman and 32 ES points with Stone as his wingers... clearly that's the massive upgrade we need over the 29 ES point pace our current 3C is putting up.

Sounds like he's definitely worth Sprong+.

Pageau is an upgrade on Sheahan. Judging solely on ES points isn’t that smart.

 

[Riptide]

Pageau is an upgrade on Sheahan. Judging solely on ES points isn’t that smart.

"upgrade" ? Absolutely. There was never really any doubt there. The question is how much of an upgrade. Some on here are talking about how he's some massive upgrade, and it's pretty clear that he isn't.

 

[Tom Hanks]

"upgrade" ? Absolutely. There was never really any doubt there. The question is how much of an upgrade. Some on here are talking about how he's some massive upgrade, and it's pretty clear that he isn't.

He’s a decent upgrade on Sheahan. Sheahan has no intensity to his game. He is so passive. It’s what we don’t want from a player especially in a playoff game when it’s tight.

Pageau is the opposite of that. He has good playoff stats as well. 8 goals in 19 games last post season. Last time Sheahan reached that milestone was in 60 games back in 2015/16 regular season.

You talk a lot about Sheahans 29 point ES pace. He has no track record though because he’s never managed it while Pageau will pass that in his 3rd straight season (this season it’s on the 29th ranked team).

Pageau is fast and will forecheck, chase pucks down which is what we need. How isn’t he a big upgrade?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Sorry, I just woke up from the nap that the last game gave me...

Any ridiculous trade rumors or scouting reports of people watching the Pens (did they stay and watch the whole game or bail? They probably bailed right?).

 

[Honour Over Glory]

He’s a decent upgrade on Sheahan. Sheahan has no intensity to his game. He is so passive. It’s what we don’t want from a player especially in a playoff game when it’s tight.

Pageau is the opposite of that. He has good playoff stats as well. 8 goals in 19 games last post season. Last time Sheahan reached that milestone was in 60 games back in 2015/16 regular season.

You talk a lot about Sheahans 29 point ES pace. He has no track record though because he’s never managed it while Pageau will pass that in his 3rd straight season (this season it’s on the 29th ranked team).

Pageau is fast and will forecheck, chase pucks down which is what we need. How isn’t he a big upgrade?

Ok wait, so Sheahan is passive for playing a solid 2-way game, forechecking, and going after pucks, but some how Pageau isn't passive because....he's just someone people like more?

Pageau has played with some decent talent the last 3yrs, his production should be way better than it is, that always seemed like a red flag to me, people are so obsessed over him from the playoffs last year and I 100% know they are, there's no rationale behind why anyone wants Pageau, none at all, outside of the fact that half of his impressive goal production was because the Rangers sucked hard last year and didn't even belong in the playoffs and Pageau had 1 insanely fluky game.

Now he's like some legend here that we must acquire because he will magically fix Sullivan's idiocy with the roster and that he's more intense than Sheahan.

This is like when Benning called Sutter a power forward when we dumped his sorry ass. People are manifesting things about Sheahan and building up Pageau into something he really isn't.

And this year, Pageau has mostly just stunk offensively. He was tried with Hoffman and Pyatt, then he's been mostly with Pyatt and Thompson. Prior years he's had a lot of time with Smith, Pyatt, and Hoffman.

Last year, he played 41% of the time with Pyatt and Hoffman.
2015-16: 36% of the time with Pyatt and Smith, 25% of the time with Hoffman and Pyatt.

To me that says he needs that "Grinder" on his line to be useful, so why would we go get a C that needs that? We already have one, it would make more sense to finally add that gritty LW'er and a better 4C and pray Sullivan pulls his own head out of his ass.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Ok wait, so Sheahan is passive for playing a solid 2-way game, forechecking, and going after pucks, but some how Pageau isn't passive because....he's just someone people like more?

Pageau has played with some decent talent the last 3yrs, his production should be way better than it is, that always seemed like a red flag to me, people are so obsessed over him from the playoffs last year and I 100% know they are, there's no rationale behind why anyone wants Pageau, none at all, outside of the fact that half of his impressive goal production was because the Rangers sucked hard last year and didn't even belong in the playoffs and Pageau had 1 insanely fluky game.

Now he's like some legend here that we must acquire because he will magically fix Sullivan's idiocy with the roster and that he's more intense than Sheahan.

This is like when Benning called Sutter a power forward when we dumped his sorry ass. People are manifesting things about Sheahan and building up Pageau into something he really isn't.

I think you might be manifesting things if you think Sheahan forechecks and chases down pucks well. Pageau is a pretty good 3C. Plays aggressive, fast, hits, blocks and has a good track record. 98 points in 210 games (36 points per 82 games) as a 3C (averages 16:20 minutes over that time) and is very good defensively. Good contract and has 2.5 yrs left.

I’m not saying he is a world beater but he’s so much better for us than Sheahan to play 3C.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

In regards to the Leivo thing...

Aren't they doing what they did to Corrado there? Just keeping him up, not playing him, not moving him when they should and instead, hurting his actual trade value. They also act like Soshnikov is some massive talent that they have to showcase to remind people he's worth something valuable, he really isn't. Leivo would be an interesting player to pick up, I'm guessing he's going to come with a lot of fire to prove the Leafs wrong, Soshnikov? I doubt anyone but the Canucks or Senators go pick him up.

It's absolutely comical that the Leafs identify that they need a depth C (They have Moore and Fehr....uh what?).

What I do like about Leivo is that he is comfortable playing on the left side and has enough times at the pro-level, but has been mostly a RW for the Leafs from what I can find about him (the guy was healthy scratched 14 games in a row...I mean, jeez).

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I think you might be manifesting things if you think Sheahan forechecks and chases down pucks well. Pageau is a pretty good 3C. Plays aggressive, fast, hits, blocks and has a good track record. 98 points in 210 games (36 points per 82 games) as a 3C (averages 16:20 minutes over that time) and is very good defensively. Good contract and has 2.5 yrs left.

I’m not saying he is a world beater but he’s so much better for us than Sheahan to play 3C.

Pyatt & Thompson chase down pucks and play the aggressive game. Pageau is attached at the hip to Pyatt and/or Thompson and Smith as his wingers, almost any version of his line, has one of those 3, because they provide that grit and puck hound dimension to his line, why do you think?

And cool...we have a guy that put up 60pts in 121 games and then was dog housed to hell, has recently been traded and has rebounded with his new team, then his coach, who really has no clue how to keep players together or build long lasting 3 man units for forwards, is forcing 2 wingers that don't mesh with his style to work.

Pageau comes in, doesn't fit with Jake and Phil and then what? "Oh he needs this winger" well shit, wouldn't that also be the right move with our current 3C?

The last game, or any game really, isn't killed because of Sheahan, it's killed because Sully fixates so much on trying to make Sid & Geno win him games that he doesn't look at things that could also work better for him in the long run if he just managed to try things and look at what would work as well.

We lost, which means we might actually see some line changes, it's about the only thing I look forward to these days, the losses...just so I can see some actual f***ing change. Maybe this time, they put the right complimentary wingers with all 3C's and not just 2 out of 3.

Pageau is going to cost more than JR should be willing to give up.

I am 100% f***ing against that.

 

[Tom Hanks]

In regards to the Leivo thing...

Aren't they doing what they did to Corrado there? Just keeping him up, not playing him, not moving him when they should and instead, hurting his actual trade value. They also act like Soshnikov is some massive talent that they have to showcase to remind people he's worth something valuable, he really isn't. Leivo would be an interesting player to pick up, I'm guessing he's going to come with a lot of fire to prove the Leafs wrong, Soshnikov? I doubt anyone but the Canucks or Senators go pick him up.

It's absolutely comical that the Leafs identify that they need a depth C (They have Moore and Fehr....uh what?).

What I do like about Leivo is that he is comfortable playing on the left side and has enough times at the pro-level, but has been mostly a RW for the Leafs from what I can find about him (the guy was healthy scratched 14 games in a row...I mean, jeez).

Leivo would be a good player to enquire about. Would take Kuhnhackl’s spot.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Leivo would be a good player to enquire about. Would take Kuhnhackl’s spot.

The only issue I think is that he's a right handed shot that is a RW right now but has been a LW before and we have a big need for LW'ers, I would need more info from people that are self deprecating enough to watch Leafs games that can remember enough about Leivo's game to comment on it.

Sully seems to absolutely love Kuhnhackl, there's that problem too. He's like his Adams.

 

[Tom Hanks]

The only issue I think is that he's a right handed shot that is a RW right now but has been a LW before and we have a big need for LW'ers, I would need more info from people that are self deprecating enough to watch Leafs games that can remember enough about Leivo's game to comment on it.

Sully seems to absolutely love Kuhnhackl, there's that problem too. He's like his Adams.

Kuhnhackl will play unless we have someone clearly better on LW. When Hornqvist/Sheary come back Reaves/ZAR will sit. Then when we get a centre Rowney will sit. We don’t have a LW to push him out. I’d like a LW anyway to have:

Guentzel-Crosby-Simon
Hagelin-Malkin-Hornqvist
XXXX-XXXX-Kessel
Sheary-Sheahan-Rust