Salary Cap: Salary Cap & Roster Building - Locked in until July

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ColePens

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Mar 27, 2008
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All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.
2017-18 salary ceiling$75,000,000
Projected Cap Hit
74,824,703​
Projected LTIR Used
84,259​
Approximate Cap Space
$259,556
Roster Size
24​
Contracts
46/50​
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PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward..................................
Pos.
Age
..........2017-18
..........2018-19
..........2019-20
Evgeni Malkin
C​
31​
9,500,000​
9,500,000​
9,500,000​
Sidney Crosby
C​
30​
8,700,000​
8,700,000​
8,700,000​
Phil Kessel
RW​
29​
6,800,000​
6,800,000​
6,800,000​
Patric Hornqvist
RW​
30​
4,250,000​
5,300,000​
5,300,000​
Carl Hagelin
LW​
29​
4,000,000​
4,000,000​
UFA
Conor Sheary
LW​
25​
3,000,000​
3,000,000​
3,000,000​
Derick Brassard
C​
30​
3,000,000​
3,000,000​
UFA
Riley Sheahan
C​
25​
2,075,000​
RFA
Zach Aston-Reese
LW​
23​
925,000​
925,000​
RFA
Jake Guentzel
LW​
22​
734,167​
734,167​
RFA
Dominik Simon
C/RW​
23​
692,500​
RFA
Bryan Rust
RW​
25​
640,000​
RFA
Tom Kuhnhackl
LW​
25​
625,000​
RFA
Carter Rowney
C​
28​
612,500​
UFA
Defense
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Kris Letang
D​
30​
7,250,000​
7,250,000​
7,250,000​
Justin Schultz
D​
27​
5,500,000​
5,500,000​
5,500,000​
Brian Dumoulin
D​
26​
4,100,000​
4,100,000​
4,100,000​
Olli Maatta
D​
23​
4,083,333​
4,083,333​
4,083,333​
Matt Hunwick
D​
32​
2,250,000​
2,250,000​
2,250,000​
Jamie Oleksiak
D​
25​
964,688​
RFA
Chad Ruhwedel
D​
27​
650,000​
650,000​
UFA
Goalie
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Matt Murray
G​
23​
3,750,000​
3,750,000​
3,750,000​
Tristan Jarry
G​
22​
630,833​
RFA
Casey DeSmith
G​
25​
675,000​
675,000​
UFA
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Non-Roster Players
Forward..................................
Pos.
Age
..........2017-18
..........2018-19
..........2019-20
Adam Johnson
C​
23​
925,000​
925,000​
RFA
Josh Jooris
C​
27​
775,000​
UFA
Thomas Di Pauli
C​
23​
742,500​
RFA
Freddie Tiffels
LW​
22​
742,500​
742,500​
RFA
Sam Miletic
LW​
20​
710,000​
710,000​
710,000​
Teddy Blueger
C​
23​
705,000​
RFA
Tobias Lindberg
LW​
22​
693,333​
RFA
Daniel Sprong
RW​
20​
692,500​
RFA
Jean-Sebastien Dea
C​
23​
650,000​
RFA
Garrett Wilson
LW​
24​
650,000​
650,000​
UFA
Greg McKegg
C​
25​
650,000​
RFA
Tom Sestito
LW​
29​
650,000​
UFA
Defense
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Andrey Pedan
D​
24​
750,000​
RFA
Jeff Taylor
D​
23​
742,500​
742,500​
RFA
Ethan Prow
D​
24​
730,000​
RFA
Lukas Bengtsson
D​
24​
705,000​
RFA
Frank Corrado
D​
24​
650,000​
RFA
Jarred Tinordi
D​
25​
650,000​
RFA
Zach Trotman
D​
27​
650,000​
UFA
Kevin Czuczman
D​
26​
650,000​
UFA
Chris Summers
D​
29​
650,000​
650,000​
UFA
Goalie
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Michael Leighton
G​
36​
650,000​
UFA
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SIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current team
Contract
Alex D'Orio
G​
18​
Saint John (QMJHL)​
3 years/716,667 per​
Jordy Bellerive
C​
18​
Lethbridge (WHL)​
3 years/716,667 per​
Sam Lafferty
F​
22​
W-B/S ATO​
2 years/925,000 per​
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UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player
Pos.
Age
Current team
Niclas Almari
D​
19​
HPK (Liiga)
Anthony Angello
F​
21​
Cornell (ECAC)
Dane Birks
D​
21​
Michigan Tech (WCHA)
Kasper Bjorkqvist
F​
19​
Providence (HEA)
Jan Drozg
F​
18​
Shawinigan (QMJHL)
Connor Hall
D​
19​
Kitchener (OHL)
Ryan Jones
D​
21​
Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)
Zachary Lauzon
D​
18​
Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
Joe Masonius
D​
20​
Connecticut (HEA)
Linus Olund
F​
20​
Brynas IF (SHL)
Antti Palojarvi
D​
18​
Lukko U20 (SML Jr.A)
Nikita Pavlychev
F​
20​
Penn State (Big Ten)
Clayton Phillips
D​
17​
Fargo (USHL)
Will Reilly
D​
19​
RPI (ECAC)
Dominik Uher
C​
24​
HC Sparta Praha (ELH)
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KIRK

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Should the Pens make over the defense over the summer?

Maatta?

Letang?

NOTE: As I wrote in the last thread, you will NOT replace Letang, but the question is if you can find two guys who combined can upgrade the mix over what you've got with Letang and Ruh/Hunwick. Maybe a pair of good skating defensemen, one of whom adds some physicality to the mix?
 

Riptide

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Should the Pens make over the defense over the summer?

Maatta?

Letang?

NOTE: As I wrote in the last thread, you will NOT replace Letang, but the question is if you can find two guys who combined can upgrade the mix over what you've got with Letang and Ruh/Hunwick. Maybe a pair of good skating defensemen, one of whom adds some physicality to the mix?

I'm not in a hurry in any way to move Letang - just too many ways that will backfire on us. The only way I'd move Maatta is if we're getting someone better coming back.
 

KIRK

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I'm not in a hurry in any way to move Letang - just too many ways that will backfire on us. The only way I'd move Maatta is if we're getting someone better coming back.

So, we'll keep the mix on defense and sprinkle some magic fairy dust to make it better? Or, are you fine with the mix as is?
 

Andy99

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I mean if they could get any really good players back for Letang, don’t you think he would have been traded back in December?

I don’t think the return for Letang would be what people think or hope for. I think they could get more for Maatta but I doubt there’s any interest in trading him. But if we could trade Letang for Karlsson or someone that’s an upgrade, sure.

Still don’t think they do anything other than get a third pairing D and try to replace Hunwick....
 

JimmyTwoTimes

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So, we'll keep the mix on defense and sprinkle some magic fairy dust to make it better? Or, are you fine with the mix as is?

Still waiting/hoping Maatta improves. Still only 23 with plenty of experience aready starting out at 19 years old. Two cups. First healthy season in awhile.

Is this what we are gonna see from him 2-3 years down the road or will he turn into a solid #2 dman? Hate to see him do that somewhere else.

I do think we can get a great return for Letang, GMs around the league would love to have him...look what other dmen who are worse than him get traded for. Question is if the FO has the guts to make that big of a trade.
 

KIRK

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Still waiting/hoping Maatta improves. Still only 23 with plenty of experience aready starting out at 19 years old. Two cups. First healthy season in awhile.

Is this what we are gonna see from him 2-3 years down the road or will he turn into a solid #2 dman? Hate to see him do that somewhere else.

I do think we can get a great return for Letang, GMs around the league would love to have him...look what other dmen who are worse than him get traded for. Question is if the FO has the guts to make that big of a trade.

You know what, I asked @ColePens this yesterday, when he talked about the old Letang coming back. How many years of Sid/Geno do you gamble on it?

I'm not saying it's an easy answer on Maatta or Letang, but this window may only be another 2-3 years and I'm not sure how keen I am about gambling it on a suspect mix magically crystallizing.
 

Gurglesons

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I mean if they could get any really good players back for Letang, don’t you think he would have been traded back in December?

I don’t think the return for Letang would be what people think or hope for. I think they could get more for Maatta but I doubt there’s any interest in trading him. But if we could trade Letang for Karlsson or someone that’s an upgrade, sure.

Still don’t think they do anything other than get a third pairing D and try to replace Hunwick....

No, I don’t think they’d trade a defenseman with 23 points just because they could especially given he was recovering from injury.
 

ColePens

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You know what, I asked @ColePens this yesterday, when he talked about the old Letang coming back. How many years of Sid/Geno do you gamble on it?

I'm not saying it's an easy answer on Maatta or Letang, but this window may only be another 2-3 years and I'm not sure how keen I am about gambling it on a suspect mix magically crystallizing.

My answer has been the same. I want to see him with a normal offseason and a full season. Just my opinion.
 

KIRK

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My answer has been the same. I want to see him with a normal offseason and a full season. Just my opinion.

And a perfectly fair one to have.

I actually do go back and forth. On the one hand, IF Letang could get it together again, it's a whole new ball game. On the other hand, might the team be better off with two different skating defensemen for the 8M+ that Letang and Ruh/Hunwick get?

As for Maatta, just not my cup of tee for this defensive mix . . .

No, I don’t think they’d trade a defenseman with 23 points just because they could especially given he was recovering from injury.

It's my understanding that it was a lot more serious than people like you appreciate. There's a reason it took JR a week to have his mouthpieces quash the Letang rumors, and it wasn't because he finally awoke from a nap. It's because something was under serious consideration but didn't materialize because JR wanted a little more.
 

Riptide

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So, we'll keep the mix on defense and sprinkle some magic fairy dust to make it better? Or, are you fine with the mix as is?

As far back as this summer I've said that I'm not really content with the mix as it currently is, and that I'd like to get another quality PMD who's at least at a Schultz level, if not better. Ideally that PMD could be a FA or someone we acquire with spare parts (not holding my breath there). However if we had to move Maatta to fill that hole, I'd do so. Some have talked about Hajalmarsson, I wouldn't go after him - he's basically just another version of Maatta.

Personally the only "locks" on our blueline are Letang, Dumoulin and Schultz. I'd rather not move Maatta... but if we were getting back someone who's a legit upgrade I'd do it. Oleksiak I'd move, however he has little value, so unless someone was offering up something that we couldn't say no to, I'd just hang onto him. Same with Ruhwedel. Hunwick I'd move just because.

I know some are not opposed to moving Letang... I just do not see how we get better. That cap hit is pretty good as long as he's playing at a top pair level. Yes we can fill what he provides to us... but it would need to be by committee and it would almost certainly cost more. I'd much rather just go get another good PMD, and go from there.
 

Gurglesons

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It’s my understanding that it was a lot more serious than people like you appreciate. There's a reason it took JR a week to have his mouthpieces quash the Letang rumors, and it wasn't because he finally awoke from a nap. It's because something was under serious consideration but didn't materialize because JR wanted a little more.

Look, the one thing I love to hate about Rutherford is he is what I want from our GM. I believe Crosby and Malkin are the only players he won’t move. Kessel and Jake are probably slightly in that as well as Murray.

I’m sure he would move Letang, but he is going to want the type of deal Rutherford would offer for Letang. Which is basically a D replacement, plus picks and a prospect. Or a package that allows you to bring in that replacement. The issue is what Rutherford views as a team need i.e. Hunwick, Lovejoy and Reaves

I think the thing that bothers me about that post was “if he could move Letang”.

I guarantee multiple teams put in offers for Letang.
 
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Turin

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I’m okay with changing the mix not named Letang and Dumoulin. I *might* deal Letang if there’s a significantly younger and proven player available, that’s it. Guys like Trouba, Lindholm, Slavin etc.
 

NMK11

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I mean if they could get any really good players back for Letang, don’t you think he would have been traded back in December?

I don’t think the return for Letang would be what people think or hope for. I think they could get more for Maatta but I doubt there’s any interest in trading him. But if we could trade Letang for Karlsson or someone that’s an upgrade, sure.

Still don’t think they do anything other than get a third pairing D and try to replace Hunwick....

I dont think theyd get more for Maatta, but I would guess that any return from Maatta will be closer to his actual value than what wed get from Letang.
 
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I mean, if JR can find a way to deal Hunwick and Sheary, that leaves like $4m in cap space to go get a D-man. There are some decent options out there in free agency.

It comes down to trusting ZAR and/or Sprong in the top-9. I'd have zero reservations about going into the season with one or both of them in the top-9 next year and seeing how the mesh/develop.
 

Dipsy Doodle

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My dream is that LA will decide to part ways with Doughty because he wants too much money, but they want a cost-controlled RH shot elite offensive defenseman to replace him, so they deal DD to us straight-up for KL and we sign Doughty to an 8 year, 10 mil per contract.

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Shaffer

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Adam Larsson got Taylor Hall, so Olli Maatta must have some serious value if a team needs him enough. Colardo, Montreal, and Florida are teams I could see interest from.

It feels weird looking for a defenseman rather than forward. I was just about to suggest Maatta for Galchenyuk, but then I caught myself.
 

Sidney the Kidney

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Jun 29, 2009
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Should the Pens make over the defense over the summer?

Maatta?

Letang?

NOTE: As I wrote in the last thread, you will NOT replace Letang, but the question is if you can find two guys who combined can upgrade the mix over what you've got with Letang and Ruh/Hunwick. Maybe a pair of good skating defensemen, one of whom adds some physicality to the mix?

Should they? Yes.

Will they? Probably not.

But I just don't like the mix in the top four. As I wrote before, it feels like unless everyone plays absolutely at the top of their game, our defense seems to lack a #2 too often. We've got an inconsistent #1, then we've got three guys (Schultz, Dumoulin, Maatta), who play somewhere between a #3 (when they're on) to a #4 (when they're not at their absolute best).

We need a McDonagh-type. Ironically enough, I think Niskanen could have been that guy if he'd stuck around.
 

Honour Over Glory

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What's the most the Cap can go up this summer? Man if it can get to 80m, we'd be ok if we dumped that sorry excuse of a hockey player Hunwick and dole out the raises to Rust, Oleksiak, etc.
 

deakka

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What's the most the Cap can go up this summer? Man if it can get to 80m, we'd be ok if we dumped that sorry excuse of a hockey player Hunwick and dole out the raises to Rust, Oleksiak, etc.
I remember reading 78-82. So probably will be around 80 then
 
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