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How about his terrible showing in the playoffs last year?
Yes, that is what those numbers referred to.
How about his terrible showing in the playoffs last year?
Really?
Yes. I know point production versus actual impact on the ice is a foreign concept for you.
Kessel did the same thing Malkin did in that playoff run, beat up on the Jackets in round 1 and had a quiet remainder of the playoffs. He also scored points in bunches, he wasn't nearly as consistent in 2017 as he was in 2016.
You're talking about a 23 point playoff run.
This isn't a conversation worth having. Think about it.
This is a REALLY awful post.
A quiet remainder of playoffs AFTER the Columbus series . . .
Crosby: 20 points (6g, 14a)
Malkin: 17 points (8g, 9a)
Kessel: 15 points (6g, 9a)
All 3 players had the same amount of PP points in those three series. And, actually Geno had the same number of points as Sid in the Caps and Sens series (the finals, Sid was 1g, 6a and Geno was 3g, 1a . . . but Sid had 1 more PP point in that series than Geno and 2 more than Phil, who also had 4 points in the finals).
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I mean, let's be realistic here. The Penguins are almost definitely trading Kessel this off-season unless they win the cup. The RW/LW problem will go away when they're moving Kessel in the off-season.
Kessel has been elite offensively for so long that teams overlook the other problems in his game, but man, his play outside of his offense has been even worse this year. He has always had bad to horrid on-ice stats (like they're on par with Johnson bad), but it's even worse now and he's also creating problems defensively on the PP.
Malkin was great in every series. Kessel if I remember disappeared in the Caps series and Ottawa aside from that huge goal in Game 2 or 3.
downplaying what Kessel has done for this team in the two cup runs is baffling to me. The guy was really ****ing good. In contention for best player in the playoffs for one of them, and still really freaking good in the other.
that's a huge downgrade for us in any sort of near term.To clarify. If you trade Kessel now is the best time to do it. And you would get two first round picks
It's because he did that. He started out the playoffs great, but his production fell off once May started. He did have a nice run against Ottawa, with 5 points in 4 straight games, but he was mostly way below his normal after about game 2 in the 2nd round. Kessel scored 3 points in a 6-0 blowout in game 5 in the finals, after only putting up 9 points in the previous 16 games.
I'm not positive on this, but I don't feel like it was controversial at the time to say Kessel was struggling in the 2017 run. Kessel put up good numbers on the 2017 run, but he wasn't that good on that run IIRC.
The best scoring wingers have dry spells. Phil's in a dry spell. Trading Phil for picks blows up our window, and makes us better in five years, when we want to be worse. And once again, his deal is pretty much perfect for our window.
A bunch of replacement level players or a couple of picks isn't worth Kessel, and that's what we'd get coming back due to the restrictions on trading him.
This is a REALLY awful post.
A quiet remainder of playoffs AFTER the Columbus series . . .
Crosby: 20 points (6g, 14a)
Malkin: 17 points (8g, 9a)
Kessel: 15 points (6g, 9a)
All 3 players had the same amount of PP points in those three series. And, actually Geno had the same number of points as Sid in the Caps and Sens series (the finals, Sid was 1g, 6a and Geno was 3g, 1a . . . but Sid had 1 more PP point in that series than Geno and 2 more than Phil, who also had 4 points in the finals).
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Kessel only had 1 ES goal against Ottawa. Of course, Crosby only had 2 ES assists against Ottawa.
Geno, by the way, had 2 goals and 1 assist at ES against Ottawa.
That said, comparing what Kessel did after the CBJ series to what Geno did was just plain silly.
downplaying what Kessel has done for this team in the two cup runs is baffling to me. The guy was really ****ing good. In contention for best player in the playoffs for one of them, and still really freaking good in the other.
right. Not as good as Sid and Geno isn't really a slight on a player.Kessel only had 1 ES goal against Ottawa. Of course, Crosby only had 2 ES assists against Ottawa.
Geno, by the way, had 2 goals and 1 assist at ES against Ottawa.
That said, comparing what Kessel did after the CBJ series to what Geno did was just plain silly.
I don’t think it necessarily blows up the window. If you use the trade to open cap space and spend that on, say, Skinner, that extends the window and you’re even better off short-term if one of those picks can play soon.The best scoring wingers have dry spells. Phil's in a dry spell. Trading Phil for picks blows up our window, and makes us better in five years, when we want to be worse. And once again, his deal is pretty much perfect for our window.
A bunch of replacement level players or a couple of picks isn't worth Kessel, and that's what we'd get coming back due to the restrictions on trading him.
The majority of this board thought Rust sucked because of a bad month.I think the majority of this board was actually pretty rough on Kessel throughout the Caps and Ottawa series and then Nashville game 1 and 2 happened so we couldn’t be upset because they were so ridiculous.
Board / Pittsburgh went back to saying we were done going into Game 5 and I took advantage of that and got two tickets for less than 500 to Game 5 of a Stanley Cup Final game.
Who said trade Kessel for picks? No one has advocated for that, at least no one not on my ignore list.
Are you referring to me including Malkin? My point with including Malkin is saying that he roasted the Jackets and was quieter after roasting the Jackets. It was the same thing I said in 2017 to the people complaining that Malkin deserved the Smythe, he put up a ton of points in the first round that year.
I didn't? My point was that both killed the Jackets and were quieter after the Jackets series.
Quieter than the CBJ series? Yes. BUT, you suggested he was QUIET, like Phil. That's where I called BS. And it is.
The majority of this board thought Rust sucked because of a bad month.
I thought I included the word "relatively" there, I guess I deleted it and forgot to add it back in.
I can understanding trading Kessel because of our other wing logjams and as you said Jake makes him less of a necessity.Oh, I mean 100%.
I just think the legend of Kessel is perpetuated by a run not easily replicated by him individually especially as he gets older.
I also think he’s value to this team with the emergence of Jake is far overrated. He’s a PP specialist on a team that has Letang, Sid and Malkin. So was Neal. Moving him while he has value is the smart move. Same thing as it is with Letang.
Doesn’t mean I would get mad if we kept both.
You did.