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Jacob

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Arizona would likely be a fit for Kessel in both directions. And they’re not adverse to taking on a bad contract like Johnson’s either.
 

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The best scoring wingers have dry spells. Phil's in a dry spell. Trading Phil for picks blows up our window, and makes us better in five years, when we want to be worse. And once again, his deal is pretty much perfect for our window.

A bunch of replacement level players or a couple of picks isn't worth Kessel, and that's what we'd get coming back due to the restrictions on trading him.
 

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Kessel did the same thing Malkin did in that playoff run, beat up on the Jackets in round 1 and had a quiet remainder of the playoffs. He also scored points in bunches, he wasn't nearly as consistent in 2017 as he was in 2016.

This is a REALLY awful post.

A quiet remainder of playoffs AFTER the Columbus series . . .

Crosby: 20 points (6g, 14a)
Malkin: 17 points (8g, 9a)
Kessel: 15 points (6g, 9a)

All 3 players had the same amount of PP points in those three series. And, actually Geno had the same number of points as Sid in the Caps and Sens series (the finals, Sid was 1g, 6a and Geno was 3g, 1a . . . but Sid had 1 more PP point in that series than Geno and 2 more than Phil, who also had 4 points in the finals).

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This is a REALLY awful post.

A quiet remainder of playoffs AFTER the Columbus series . . .

Crosby: 20 points (6g, 14a)
Malkin: 17 points (8g, 9a)
Kessel: 15 points (6g, 9a)

All 3 players had the same amount of PP points in those three series. And, actually Geno had the same number of points as Sid in the Caps and Sens series (the finals, Sid was 1g, 6a and Geno was 3g, 1a . . . but Sid had 1 more PP point in that series than Geno and 2 more than Phil, who also had 4 points in the finals).

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Malkin was great in every series. Kessel if I remember disappeared in the Caps series and Ottawa aside from that huge goal in Game 2 or 3.
 
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I mean, let's be realistic here. The Penguins are almost definitely trading Kessel this off-season unless they win the cup. The RW/LW problem will go away when they're moving Kessel in the off-season.

Kessel has been elite offensively for so long that teams overlook the other problems in his game, but man, his play outside of his offense has been even worse this year. He has always had bad to horrid on-ice stats (like they're on par with Johnson bad), but it's even worse now and he's also creating problems defensively on the PP.

Seems like a pretty bold statement given how we know this league works and GMs love of elite/top tier talent.
 

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downplaying what Kessel has done for this team in the two cup runs is baffling to me. The guy was really f***ing good. In contention for best player in the playoffs for one of them, and still really freaking good in the other.
 

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Malkin was great in every series. Kessel if I remember disappeared in the Caps series and Ottawa aside from that huge goal in Game 2 or 3.

It's because he did that. He started out the playoffs great, but his production fell off once May started. He did have a nice run against Ottawa, with 5 points in 4 straight games, but he was mostly way below his normal after about game 2 in the 2nd round. Kessel scored 3 points in a 6-0 blowout in game 5 in the finals, after only putting up 9 points in the previous 16 games.

downplaying what Kessel has done for this team in the two cup runs is baffling to me. The guy was really ****ing good. In contention for best player in the playoffs for one of them, and still really freaking good in the other.

I'm not positive on this, but I don't feel like it was controversial at the time to say Kessel was struggling in the 2017 run. Kessel put up good numbers on the 2017 run, but he wasn't that good on that run IIRC. I don't think it's any more controversial to say that Kessel struggled in 2018 than it is to say that he struggled in 2017.
 

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It's because he did that. He started out the playoffs great, but his production fell off once May started. He did have a nice run against Ottawa, with 5 points in 4 straight games, but he was mostly way below his normal after about game 2 in the 2nd round. Kessel scored 3 points in a 6-0 blowout in game 5 in the finals, after only putting up 9 points in the previous 16 games.



I'm not positive on this, but I don't feel like it was controversial at the time to say Kessel was struggling in the 2017 run. Kessel put up good numbers on the 2017 run, but he wasn't that good on that run IIRC.

Kessel only had 1 ES goal against Ottawa. Of course, Crosby only had 2 ES assists against Ottawa.

Geno, by the way, had 2 goals and 1 assist at ES against Ottawa.

That said, comparing what Kessel did after the CBJ series to what Geno did was just plain silly.
 

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The best scoring wingers have dry spells. Phil's in a dry spell. Trading Phil for picks blows up our window, and makes us better in five years, when we want to be worse. And once again, his deal is pretty much perfect for our window.

A bunch of replacement level players or a couple of picks isn't worth Kessel, and that's what we'd get coming back due to the restrictions on trading him.

Who said trade Kessel for picks?

This is a REALLY awful post.

A quiet remainder of playoffs AFTER the Columbus series . . .

Crosby: 20 points (6g, 14a)
Malkin: 17 points (8g, 9a)
Kessel: 15 points (6g, 9a)

All 3 players had the same amount of PP points in those three series. And, actually Geno had the same number of points as Sid in the Caps and Sens series (the finals, Sid was 1g, 6a and Geno was 3g, 1a . . . but Sid had 1 more PP point in that series than Geno and 2 more than Phil, who also had 4 points in the finals).

cc: @Solzhenitsyn, @pixiesfanyo

Are you referring to me including Malkin? My point with including Malkin is saying that he roasted the Jackets and was quieter after roasting the Jackets. It was the same thing I said in 2017 to the people complaining that Malkin deserved the Smythe, he put up a ton of points in the first round that year.

Kessel only had 1 ES goal against Ottawa. Of course, Crosby only had 2 ES assists against Ottawa.

Geno, by the way, had 2 goals and 1 assist at ES against Ottawa.

That said, comparing what Kessel did after the CBJ series to what Geno did was just plain silly.

I didn't? My point was that both killed the Jackets and were quieter after the Jackets series. Malkin was more consistent than Kessel was and didn't put up points in bunches like Kessel did.
 

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downplaying what Kessel has done for this team in the two cup runs is baffling to me. The guy was really ****ing good. In contention for best player in the playoffs for one of them, and still really freaking good in the other.

I think the majority of this board was actually pretty rough on Kessel throughout the Caps and Ottawa series and then Nashville game 1 and 2 happened so we couldn’t be upset because they were so ridiculous.

Board / Pittsburgh went back to saying we were done going into Game 5 and I took advantage of that and got two tickets for less than 500 to Game 5 of a Stanley Cup Final game.

Kessel was good in 2017. He just isn’t worth not moving due to it. Especially given his performance the following year in the playoffs (when he was our worst player) as well as this regular season when despite random flashes with Geno and Sid he’s been a total nonfactor.

And isn’t that the thing everyone says about Kessel is he needs to produce outside of those two to be effective here. If that doesn’t happen is it worth putting 6 mil on the third line.
 
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Kessel only had 1 ES goal against Ottawa. Of course, Crosby only had 2 ES assists against Ottawa.

Geno, by the way, had 2 goals and 1 assist at ES against Ottawa.

That said, comparing what Kessel did after the CBJ series to what Geno did was just plain silly.
right. Not as good as Sid and Geno isn't really a slight on a player.
 

Jacob

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The best scoring wingers have dry spells. Phil's in a dry spell. Trading Phil for picks blows up our window, and makes us better in five years, when we want to be worse. And once again, his deal is pretty much perfect for our window.

A bunch of replacement level players or a couple of picks isn't worth Kessel, and that's what we'd get coming back due to the restrictions on trading him.
I don’t think it necessarily blows up the window. If you use the trade to open cap space and spend that on, say, Skinner, that extends the window and you’re even better off short-term if one of those picks can play soon.
 

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I think the majority of this board was actually pretty rough on Kessel throughout the Caps and Ottawa series and then Nashville game 1 and 2 happened so we couldn’t be upset because they were so ridiculous.

Board / Pittsburgh went back to saying we were done going into Game 5 and I took advantage of that and got two tickets for less than 500 to Game 5 of a Stanley Cup Final game.
The majority of this board thought Rust sucked because of a bad month.
 
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KIRK

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Who said trade Kessel for picks? No one has advocated for that, at least no one not on my ignore list.



Are you referring to me including Malkin? My point with including Malkin is saying that he roasted the Jackets and was quieter after roasting the Jackets. It was the same thing I said in 2017 to the people complaining that Malkin deserved the Smythe, he put up a ton of points in the first round that year.



I didn't? My point was that both killed the Jackets and were quieter after the Jackets series.

Quieter than the CBJ series? Yes. BUT, you suggested he was QUIET, like Phil. That's where I called BS. And it is.
 

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The majority of this board thought Rust sucked because of a bad month.

Oh, I mean 100%.

I just think the legend of Kessel is perpetuated by a run not easily replicated by him individually especially as he gets older.

I also think he’s value to this team with the emergence of Jake is far overrated. He’s a PP specialist on a team that has Letang, Sid and Malkin. So was Neal. Moving him while he has value is the smart move. Same thing as it is with Letang.

Doesn’t mean I would get mad if we kept both.
 

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Oh, I mean 100%.

I just think the legend of Kessel is perpetuated by a run not easily replicated by him individually especially as he gets older.

I also think he’s value to this team with the emergence of Jake is far overrated. He’s a PP specialist on a team that has Letang, Sid and Malkin. So was Neal. Moving him while he has value is the smart move. Same thing as it is with Letang.

Doesn’t mean I would get mad if we kept both.
I can understanding trading Kessel because of our other wing logjams and as you said Jake makes him less of a necessity.

Trading Letang would most likely mark the end of the Sid/Geno era's window imo.
 

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Yeah, I just forgot to include a word there. The point of that wasn't to take a shot at Malkin, the point was to say that Kessel followed the same pattern as Malkin did in the playoffs. Kessel was worse than Malkin, but both had the "kill the Jackets and be quieter on the rest of the run" playoff runs. Malkin just killed the Jackets worse and was way closer to his normal on the rest of the run than Kessel was.
 
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