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BUT, that's your risk. It could be we send a conditional pick if he stays. I don't know. I just didn't see that swapping of the goalies, but I could see Silf.
Problem is, I don't see how the Ducks defense makes that work. They'll need a defenseman to replace Montour. A real one.
I don't know . . . maybe it becomes viable when Fowler comes back? Maybe we add Oleksiak, but then it may not work for the Ducks under the cap.
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I wasn't even necessarily proposing the deal. Rather, I was saying that if Phil for Montour was discussed, I doubt the other part was a goalie swap. Just makes zero sense for Anaheim. At least something around Phil for Silf and Montour is something I could have seen (at the time, I think Fowler still was healthy too).
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If Silf was signed. It might not even be a good idea, I’m just partial to defensemen who can play modern game effectively at this point.
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So way bettter than Maatta, Johnson, Oleksiak? But I get what you’re saying. Fowler or Manson would be better.
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Brodie could be someone more realistic.
Mobile and has a track record of big minutes.
Plus we have quite a few players who'd interest Calgary.
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He hasn’t really showed that this season that much and because of his other limitations his game turns to **** if his brain isn’t functioning.
Kessel for Montour + Silfverberg (signing a 5x 5m extension)? Yeah I'd probably do that as well. I don't think we need a game breaking talent like Kessel, as long as the guys replacing him are skilled players. The below is still a very good top 6.
Guentzel - Crosby - Hornqvist
Pearson - Malkin - Silfverberg
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I don't think I'd do Kessel for Montour and Silfverberg, I'd be shooting for a better defenseman and a worse RWer if we're trying to get a RW and RD package for Kessel. I want JR to shoot for a Spurgeon level RD or better if they trade Kessel, I don't think Montour is on that level.
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Bump from earlier which you ignored....interesting no?
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Yeah, the Penguins should treat Guentzel the same way that the Leafs treated Nylander if Guentzel decides to hold out. Use him as a trade chip for a defenseman if he's not willing to sign, and only sign him if you can't make a deal involving improving your defense.
You keep talking about adding defensemen in every thread. Q..... If we traded Jake for a D like you suggest, who exactly are playing the wings?
At some point soon, Horny's body may give out. Maybe not, but it's a very plausible scenario based on his style........tick tock.
I like Montour's youth, cheaper contract and RFA status more than I like Spurgeon with his slightly better abilities. With Schultz here (once healthy), I don't think we need a 2/3D so much as we just need someone that has a good transition game. I'm also a much bigger fan of Silfverberg then I am Nino.
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I've already made my opinions on Schultz pretty clear I feel like, I want to get someone better than Schultz and look to move Schultz out of here. I want to get that more reliable #2 or #3 RD that can skate the puck well because I don't trust Schultz in that role.
Ironic to think that the winger the Pens probably need to add will need to be a winger for Geno.
IF Phil could stick with Sid . . .
Jake-Sid-Phil
???-Geno-Horny
Pearson-Brass-Rust
ZAR-Sheahan-Simon
(if it's not working for Sid, Simon to L1, Phil to L3, Rust to L4)
OR
Jake-Sid-Phil
Pearson-Geno-???
Simon-Brass-Horny
ZAR-Sheahan-Rust
(trickier if it's not working, maybe Horny flips with Phil)
End of the day, IF the ??? is nailed right by JR, that's a pretty good setup.
IF Phil could stick with Sid . . .
Jake-Sid-Phil
???-Geno-Horny
Pearson-Brass-Rust
ZAR-Sheahan-Simon
(if it's not working for Sid, Simon to L1, Phil to L3, Rust to L4)
OR
Jake-Sid-Phil
Pearson-Geno-???
Simon-Brass-Horny
ZAR-Sheahan-Rust
(trickier if it's not working, maybe Horny flips with Phil)
End of the day, IF the ??? is nailed right by JR, that's a pretty good setup.
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I feel like this is the obvious setup for how they should be running with the lines
I think what you should be targeting is a player who can play both LW and RW, one that can alternate between the 3rd line LW (when Simon is with Crosby) and 2nd line RW (when Kessel is with Crosby). Coincidentally, Rust is the exact kind of guy I think you need for that spot if he would be playing well. He's just not playing well and I'm not sure if they can rely on him getting back.
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Not trying to be sarcastic here at all, but that makes too much sense for them to consider doing that, sadly!
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I’ll take the first line up as Simon isn’t a natural shooter and that’s who should be across from Hornqvist. Unless you find the extremely rare HGH combo.
I feel like this is the obvious setup for how they should be running with the lines
Maybe you forget about trading anyone EXCEPT Maatta and Oleksiak. For the money you're paying them and futures, you find a RW for Geno and try to find a legit partner for Schultz when he returns.
Jake-Sid-Phil
Pearson-Geno-TRADE
Simon-Brass-Horny
ZAR/Cullen-Sheahan-Rust
Dumo-Letang
TRADE-Schultz
Petterrsen/Riikola-Johnson
IF you moved Maatta and Oleksiak, there's 6M cap space to work with.
BUT, as I noted in tonight's PGT, Pearson needs to be the guy he was a week and a half ago, not the guy he's been the last 3 games, especially tonight, because tonight he was as bad as it gets Kunitz out there.
EDIT: One thing this lineup affords you is tweaking options. Horny and Phil can flip. If Pearson isn't getting it done, Rust could slide up (even though it would be ZAR, which is why I say Pearson needs to be more good Kunitz than bad Kunitz even when he's not scoring).
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When healthy, I want to see them running with this with Crosby-Kessel:
Guentzel-Crosby-Kessel
Pearson-Malkin-Rust
Simon-Brassard-Hornqvist
and this when they're not running with Crosby-Kessel:
Guentzel-Crosby-Simon
Pearson-Malkin-Hornqvist
Rust-Brassard-Kessel
This seems like the best way to set up the lineup, IMO. What you may need to find is an upgrade on Rust, someone who can play both RW and LW and fits both what a Brassard-Kessel and a Malkin-Pearson duo needs. Rust is exactly that if he would be playing well, which makes it frustrating to see him struggle.
I feel like if Rust figures out his ****, you don't need to touch the top-9 forwards. You have multiple ways of setting up the forwards well if you have Rust playing well and Sullivan willing to play him on both LW and RW. The problem is that those are 2 huge ifs. If he can't figure his stuff out, I think you need to add what Rust is supposed to be.
I agree with you entirely on the defense, btw. I'm completely fine with letting Pettersson and Riikola battle it out for the bottom pair D spot with Johnson and upgrading on LD. I think targeting Edler may be a worthwhile move, you don't need a super long term LD option because both Pettersson and Riikola should be ready for full time roles next year. So for this year, end up with something like:
Dumoulin-Letang
Edler-Schultz
Pettersson-Johnson or Johnson-Riikola
And next year go with something like:
Dumoulin-Letang
Riikola-Schultz
Pettersson-Johnson
You can also try to re-sign Edler and move Schultz or Johnson.
Guentzel-Crosby-Kessel
Pearson-Malkin-Rust
Simon-Brassard-Hornqvist
and this when they're not running with Crosby-Kessel:
Guentzel-Crosby-Simon
Pearson-Malkin-Hornqvist
Rust-Brassard-Kessel
This seems like the best way to set up the lineup, IMO. What you may need to find is an upgrade on Rust, someone who can play both RW and LW and fits both what a Brassard-Kessel and a Malkin-Pearson duo needs. Rust is exactly that if he would be playing well, which makes it frustrating to see him struggle.
I feel like if Rust figures out his ****, you don't need to touch the top-9 forwards. You have multiple ways of setting up the forwards well if you have Rust playing well and Sullivan willing to play him on both LW and RW. The problem is that those are 2 huge ifs. If he can't figure his stuff out, I think you need to add what Rust is supposed to be.
I agree with you entirely on the defense, btw. I'm completely fine with letting Pettersson and Riikola battle it out for the bottom pair D spot with Johnson and upgrading on LD. I think targeting Edler may be a worthwhile move, you don't need a super long term LD option because both Pettersson and Riikola should be ready for full time roles next year. So for this year, end up with something like:
Dumoulin-Letang
Edler-Schultz
Pettersson-Johnson or Johnson-Riikola
And next year go with something like:
Dumoulin-Letang
Riikola-Schultz
Pettersson-Johnson
You can also try to re-sign Edler and move Schultz or Johnson.
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This is a public service announcement.
RWs who have more points than Kessel since '16-'17: Kucherov, Wheeler, and Kane.
Kane has 1 more point over that span in 1 more game. Their average combined cap hit is about 9.5 mil per. Phil's is 6.8.
That is all.
RWs who have more points than Kessel since '16-'17: Kucherov, Wheeler, and Kane.
Kane has 1 more point over that span in 1 more game. Their average combined cap hit is about 9.5 mil per. Phil's is 6.8.
That is all.
I think you need a RW from outside the organization to properly leverage Pearson-Geno.
You also need a LW from outside the organization to properly leverage Geno-Horny.
This is a public service announcement.
RW's who have more eaten hot dogs than Kessel since '16-17:
That is all.
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