Sabres Trade Targets

[Team Cozens]

Vegas has really been slumping right now and they need to bolster their D.
Time to jump all over a Tuch trade.

 

[Jim Bob]

Vegas has really been slumping right now and they need to bolster their D.
Time to jump all over a Tuch trade.

Vegas isn't giving up Tuch in a deal for a D that the Sabres will trade to Vegas.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Vegas isn't giving up Tuch in a deal for a D that the Sabres will trade to Vegas.

I agree that Vegas should not want to trade Tuch, but they're D-corps is significantly lacking, and without one decent right-shot D (only Engelland, with Schmidt playing right side as a lefty). They have good FWs, but a bunch with NMCs/NTCs. Karlsson and Tuch are the only good FWs without one, and after that is Eakin, Reaves, Nosek, and Pirri as expendables. They aren't going to solve the D-corps problem through a trade with that last group. So IMO Vegas either solves the D issue by trading Karlsson or Tuch, or they just let it ride and stay mediocre this season and probably next.

 

[Jim Bob]

I agree that Vegas should not want to trade Tuch, but they're D-corps is significantly lacking, and without one decent right-shot D (only Engelland, with Schmidt playing right side as a lefty). They have good FWs, but a bunch with NMCs/NTCs. Karlsson and Tuch are the only good FWs without one, and after that is Eakin, Reaves, Nosek, and Pirri as expendables. They aren't going to solve the D-corps problem through a trade with that last group. So IMO Vegas either solves the D issue by trading Karlsson or Tuch, or they just let it ride and stay mediocre this season and probably next.

I'm sure their GM will try other things before they move Tuch.

Moving a good young player on a good contract is rarely the first piece moved when a team is in Vegas' situation.

 

[Shnooks]

Radek Faksa. Everything the team needs as a 3C, plus is a big player who goes to the net.

I'll take Mittelstadt over him in a heartbeat.

Not sure why people keep crapping on Mittelstadt...how about we get him some good linemates, instead of trying to replace him?

He's had dogsh*t linemates his entire time in Buffalo, and people wonder why he's not living up to expectations.

 

[Chainshot]

I'll take Mittelstadt over him in a heartbeat.

Not sure why people keep crapping on Mittelstadt...how about we get him some good linemates, instead of trying to replace him?

He's had dogsh*t linemates his entire time in Buffalo, and people wonder why he's not living up to expectations.

Move Mitts to wing until he can show he can be the 2c is one option. Or, put him with MJ and Skinner as the 2C. But they could use better play out of that roster spot.

 

[Der Jaeger]

It seems to me that Faksa for Risto is not so attractive, if Faksa + is such a prospect as Robertson, then yes, plus we take a small dump to equalize the salary. For Pageau they will probably already ask for the first round, he is now simply on fire.

I don’t see Dallas giving up much more than Faksa. Honka? 2020 3rd rounder? They need their prospects. Talent pool in Dallas is shallow.

 

[Sabre the Win]

I'll take Mittelstadt over him in a heartbeat.

Not sure why people keep crapping on Mittelstadt...how about we get him some good linemates, instead of trying to replace him?

He's had dogsh*t linemates his entire time in Buffalo, and people wonder why he's not living up to expectations.

Eventually it would be nice to have centers who can drive a line themselves. We always resort to "give him better linemates" as an argument but how about "make your damn linemates better" by opening the ice up for them and setting them up with passes.

Hes such a non option that no team plans for him, they play basic hockey and his entire line gets shut down.

 

[Fjordy]

I don’t see Dallas giving up much more than Faksa. Honka? 2020 3rd rounder? They need their prospects. Talent pool in Dallas is shallow.

Well then, this deal does not look very attractive to us, no, Faksa is certainly a good player, but there must be some plus.

 

[valet]

Eventually it would be nice to have centers who can drive a line themselves. We always resort to "give him better linemates" as an argument but how about "make your damn linemates better" by opening the ice up for them and setting them up with passes.

Hes such a non option that no team plans for him, they play basic hockey and his entire line gets shut down.

what do you mean by 'drive a line'? if your linemates aren't winning puck battles, are never in proper position to receive passes, and can't score on the chances you do provide them with, what are you supposed to do?

there are only a handful of players in the league that can really create offense completely on their own. mitts has shown flashes of that quality so far in his career, but he does in fact need an actual supporting cast around him, not erod/vesey/sheary

 

[Sabre the Win]

what do you mean by 'drive a line'?

I literally said it in the post you quoted to some extent.

"Create space for the wingers to get set up", add playmaking ability by creating offense. Set up the play etc.

 

[valet]

I literally said it in the post you quoted to some extent.

"Create space for the wingers to get set up", add playmaking ability by creating offense. Set up the play etc.

i edited my post to include more detailed counterpoints

 

[Sabre the Win]

i edited my post to include more detailed counterpoints

The biggest factor for linemates not being able to set up is that there is no line driver. We need more players that teams specifically plan for, if one guy can draw 2 players to him then this opens the ice for everyone else.

Example, ERod drove play last night setting up the goal for Skinner on the cross ice pass. He drew players to him which allowed Skinner to get open. Now if he could only do that consistently or anyone other than Eichel could do that it would allow weaker linemates to be better.

 

[Selanne00008]

what is the over/under on an actual trade? I figured it would happen by now. Could we really go into mid/late february before any movement? If not now, then when? January 1??? Whats your confident under date?

 

[Chainshot]

what is the over/under on an actual trade? I figured it would happen by now. Could we really go into mid/late february before any movement? If not now, then when? January 1??? Whats your confident under date?

Around the draft.

 

[DolanPlsGoSabres]

Around the draft.

Which draft, and in which year are we speaking of?

 

[wnysupport]

I saw trade targets and almost laughed thinking GMJB knew how to make them during the year. He Did so well last year after our winning streak...

 

[Blitz]

what is the over/under on an actual trade? I figured it would happen by now. Could we really go into mid/late february before any movement? If not now, then when? January 1??? Whats your confident under date?

Why would you figure that? Because of all the trades happening with the other 30 GMs & teams? It's extremely early in the season for buyers & sellers to be established, hence no trades of any importance.

The only movement you're likely to see this early in the season are potential RFA holdouts with a DEC 1 deadline (Puljujarvi) or minor hockey/cap deals like the Perlini move.

Over/under 2nd week of Dec...

 

[FloridaSabresFan]

Why would you figure that? Because of all the trades happening with the other 30 GMs & teams? It's extremely early in the season for buyers & sellers to be established, hence no trades of any importance.

The only movement your likely to see this early in the season are potential RFA holdouts with a DEC 1 deadline (Puljujarvi) or minor hockey/cap deals like the Perlini move.

Over/under 2nd week of Dec...

Its not really relevant what other GMs are doing. GMs don't keeps their job because what other GMs did or didn't do.

 

[DolanPlsGoSabres]

Its not really relevant what other GMs are doing. GMs don't keeps their job because what other GMs did or didn't do.

It takes two to make a trade. If other GM's aren't willing to make a trade with what Botts has to offer, or don't have a reasonable offer on the table, there shouldn't be a trade made.

 

[Blitz]

Its not really relevant what other GMs are doing. GMs don't keeps their job because what other GMs did or didn't do.

Say that back to yourself out loud... The trade market, availability & valuation are ENTIRELY dependent on what the other GMs are doing. That's why they all talk to each other constantly...

 

[Selanne00008]

Why would you figure that? Because of all the trades happening with the other 30 GMs & teams? It's extremely early in the season for buyers & sellers to be established, hence no trades of any importance.

The only movement you're likely to see this early in the season are potential RFA holdouts with a DEC 1 deadline (Puljujarvi) or minor hockey/cap deals like the Perlini move.

Over/under 2nd week of Dec...

I would think that because we aren’t looking to be a buyer or a seller, we are looking for a hockey trade. Risto a top 4 D for a top 6 Frwd for example. Has to be money in and money out. And, everyone else thought a surplus of D trade was going to happen in late August?

Then you go ahead and predict an over/under by 2nd week of December? Because 3 more weeks of action really separates the buyers and sellers. This has 0% to do with buying and selling.

 

[Team Cozens]

Vegas isn't giving up Tuch in a deal for a D that the Sabres will trade to Vegas.

Vegas now losing to the Kings 2-0.
Bet they make a move of some kind.

 

[Fjordy]

Vegas now losing to the Kings 2-0.
Bet they make a move of some kind.

3-3, but yes, I read in their topic that they need a mobile RHD that can move the puck, Risto doesn't really fit this definition, Montour probably isn’t trade.

 

[Willgamesh]

I'll take Mittelstadt over him in a heartbeat.

Not sure why people keep crapping on Mittelstadt...how about we get him some good linemates, instead of trying to replace him?

He's had dogsh*t linemates his entire time in Buffalo, and people wonder why he's not living up to expectations.

nah f*** getting any top wingers for him to play with, here comes some hot garbage to slide down his innocent throat.