Proposal: Sabres Canes

[normaliswear]

With the trade today I don't know Faulk's availability, but if there was a glut before I don't see why there wouldn't still be one.

To Buffalo: Skinner (resigned), Faulk
To Carolina: ROR, Bailey, 2019 SJ 1st

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[The Red Helmet]

No thank you.

 

[Unsustainable]

Yes from Canes

 

[tsujimoto74]

With the trade today I don't know Faulk's availability, but if there was a glut before I don't see why there wouldn't still be one.

To Buffalo: Skinner, Faulk
To Carolina: ROR, Bailey, 2019 SJ 1st

Ew.

 

[normaliswear]

Ew.

Value that far off? Could Canes maybe add a small piece like Foegele?

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Carolina traded the two players I'd have wanted as basis for a ROR trade.

 

[Drunkard]

Value that far off? Could Canes maybe add a small piece like Foegele?

O'Reilly is in his prime and under contract for 5 more years. Skinner is basically a rental and Faulk is a UFA in 2 years so the value falls in Carolina's favor big time.

I'd like Faulk to take Bogosian's spot on our second pair but not enough to give up O'Reilly.

I'd be willing to give up a package of lesser pieces for Faulk. Something like:

A cheaper replacement for Hanifin like McCabe or Beaulieu
A forward prospect that Carolina would value (I have no idea who) but let's say one of Asplund, Pu, Davidsson, Baptiste, or Bailey
The SJ first or our second next year

They may tell us to pound sand and that's fine. I'd prefer that over giving up our second best player a rental and a guy they have to move or else pay him $4.8 million to play on their 3rd pair.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

What would fans say if the Canes added Rask and Buffalo added Bogoasian?

 

[tsujimoto74]

Value that far off? Could Canes maybe add a small piece like Foegele?

Skinner is a rental. Faulk isn't nearly as good as I think you think he is, and he's only 1 extra year away from UFA. That doesn't pique my interest for ROR alone, much less adding a 1st. Not an acceptable basis for an ROR deal.

 

[nickdawg95]

more like

Skinner Faulk +2019 1st + jake bean

for

RoR + Bogosian

 

[normaliswear]

O'Reilly is in his prime and under contract for 5 more years. Skinner is basically a rental and Faulk is a UFA in 2 years so the value falls in Carolina's.

I'd like Faulk to take Bogosian's spot on our second pair but not enough to give up O'Reilly.

I'd be willing to give up a package of lesser pieces for Faulk. Something like:

A cheaper replacement for Hanifin like McCabe or Beaulieu
A forward prospect that Carolina would value (I have no idea who) but let's say one of Asplund, Pu, Davidsson, Baptiste, or Bailey
The SJ first or our second next year

They may tell us to pound sand and that's fine. I'd prefer that over giving up our second best player a rental and a guy they have to move or else pay him $4.8 million to play on their 3rd pair.

Well a couple things, first I should have included a provision for Skinner to be resigned as part of the deal. He's young enough that I don't think term would be a major issue. I'll edit my post. I guess I like Faulk more than most and see him as a solid 2nd pair RD guy. I like (not love granted) a top 4 of Scandella - Risto, Dahlin - Faulk while also giving Jack a winger to score with.

 

[Yatzhee]

LOL, wow, Buffalo gives multiple assets?
No thank you. ROR doesn't have to be moved, so for him alone you'll have to add to Skinner and Faulk. ROR is locked up long term, those 2 are 1 and 2 year UFA's.
Aho + for ROR or just walk away. You really have to pay attention, Botterill already told Montreal before and at the draft 3rd OA or nothing. He won't be low balled.

 

[Sabres]

If we make a trade around ROR for Faulk that will be an absolute failure.

 

[stokes84]

OP should be just ROR from Buffalo.

 

[Dietpepsi]

a 1 year rental and a 2 year rental for a locked up ROR, and 1st rounder and Justin Bailey?

Why would buffalo even consider this?

 

[GellMann]

At some point people will learn that we aren't trading ROR for pieces that other teams are looking to dump, that are running out of their contracts, or both.

 

[Gabrielor]

No from Buffalo.

 

[UnleashRasmus]

This is awful. Absolutely not.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

Definite no from this Buffalo fan.

I do like Jeff Skinner. And I think Faulk has the ability to bounce back. But...

It's just Not the package I'd personally be looking for for ROR, and there's no way I'd add that SJ 1st to ROR to get guys who can walk in 1 and 2yrs from now.
And we couldn't even try to negotiate an extension with Faulk until next year.


Plus, IMO I don't know if Faulk is the piece we need to complete our top 4. We have Dahlin and Risto, who can both play a good offensive game already. I think we could use another defensive defenseman (or good 2 way guy) to pair with one of the above. All we really have right now is Scandella in that regard.


I'd have wanted something around Hanifin and Lindholm. That's no longer possible, obviously.

 

[Drunkard]

Well a couple things, first I should have included a provision for Skinner to be resigned as part of the deal. He's young enough that I don't think term would be a major issue. I'll edit my post. I guess I like Faulk more than most and see him as a solid 2nd pair RD guy. I like (not love granted) a top 4 of Scandella - Risto, Dahlin - Faulk while also giving Jack a winger to score with.

Skinner already makes $6 million right now (with a $5.725 million cap hit) and with the cap going up he's going to want an O'Reilly type contract. I'd rather have O'Reilly for that money.

O'Reilly carries the water for our group of forwards defensively while putting up solid and consistent production. We need him to shelter Mittelstadt. To me that's much more valuable than providing a scoring winger for Eichel.

 

[tarheelhockey]

LOL, wow, Buffalo gives multiple assets?
No thank you. ROR doesn't have to be moved, so for him alone you'll have to add to Skinner and Faulk. ROR is locked up long term, those 2 are 1 and 2 year UFA's.
Aho + for ROR or just walk away. You really have to pay attention, Botterill already told Montreal before and at the draft 3rd OA or nothing. He won't be low balled.

That’s going too far in the other direction. I get that Buffalo’s not going to pile up assets to get Skinner and Faulk, but Faulk and a resigned Skinner are damned good value for him. You’re talking a top-line goal scoring forward and a #3 defenseman, both on multi-year contracts.

Aho is worth more than ROR and the idea of adding to Aho is just lunacy. There’s no need to act like either team should expect to get completely bent over here.

 

[Djp]

I don’t want Skinner nor faulk

 

[Yatzhee]

That’s going too far in the other direction. I get that Buffalo’s not going to pile up assets to get Skinner and Faulk, but Faulk and a resigned Skinner are damned good value for him. You’re talking a top-line goal scoring forward and a #3 defenseman, both on multi-year contracts.

Aho is worth more than ROR and the idea of adding to Aho is just lunacy. There’s no need to act like either team should expect to get completely bent over here.

It was a counter proposal. I thought it fair given the OP

But ok, Skinner is a good LW, 1st liner yes. But here is the difference, ROR is locked up long term through his prime years, and come July 1st, that contract becomes very attractive once Buffalo pays the Bonus. Skinner can be locked up through roughly those same years, but at what price? Then there is Botterill's comments on looking at a younger asset, not in the age range of Skinner, which, again, is his prime years. Without an extension in hand, Faulk doesn't offset that given he has only 2 years left. Botterill isn't going to just give a locked up ROR away for a year or 2 of assets services.

 

[Saekk]

a 1 year rental and a 2 year rental for a locked up ROR, and 1st rounder and Justin Bailey?

Why would buffalo even consider this?

I agree that this trade is horrible for Sabres, but what the f*** is a 2 year rental

Guess O'Reilly is a 5 year rental.

 

[Fjordy]

If we trade ROR, I hope to get a younger winger or whose long-term contract, plus more desirable to the defender in a deal or a good prospect.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

At some point people will learn that we aren't trading ROR for pieces that other teams are looking to dump, that are running out of their contracts, or both.

Funny thing is, OP is clearly a sabres fan.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It was a counter proposal. I thought it fair given the OP

But ok, Skinner is a good LW, 1st liner yes. But here is the difference, ROR is locked up long term through his prime years, and come July 1st, that contract becomes very attractive once Buffalo pays the Bonus. Skinner can be locked up through roughly those same years, but at what price? Then there is Botterill's comments on looking at a younger asset, not in the age range of Skinner, which, again, is his prime years. Without an extension in hand, Faulk doesn't offset that given he has only 2 years left. Botterill isn't going to just give a locked up ROR away for a year or 2 of assets services.

The thing is, we don’t know from the OP how long the extension would be or how much it would be for. Skinner at 6.5M/5yr would be an asset. At 8M/6yr a liability. The reality is probably somewhere in between, but we don’t get that information to work with here.