Confirmed with Link: Sabres acquire Brandon Hickey, Mike Sislo from Coyotes for Hudson Fasching

[pigpen65]

When they find my body, instead of a suicide note it will be a list that breaks down the value lost in Tim Murray trades.

Murray also drafted terrible, signed terrible contracts, developed terribly, and hired terribly. So if his terrible trading is all that bums you are actually in a much healthier spot that lots of others here.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Murray also drafted terrible, signed terrible contracts, developed terribly, and hired terribly. So if his terrible trading is all that bums you are actually in a much healthier spot that lots of others here.

Compared to averages at given draft spots, and how many player a team can expect to contribute out of a draft, Murray was average. Asplund, Olofsson, Guhle, and Borgen will be contributors.

The idea that other teams are regularly hitting on a majority of picks year after year is a myth. The Leafs had the best prospect system rated by THN this year. In the same years that Murray drafted, they hit on Grundstrom, Bracco, Timashov, Dermott, and Woll outside of the first round. And that's with more picks then Murray had.

 

[slip]

Compared to averages at given draft spots, and how many player a team can expect to contribute out of a draft, Murray was average. Asplund, Olofsson, Guhle, and Borgen will be contributors.

The idea that other teams are regularly hitting on a majority of picks year after year is a myth. The Leafs had the best prospect system rated by THN this year. In the same years that Murray drafted, they hit on Grundstrom, Bracco, Timashov, Dermott, and Woll outside of the first round. And that's with more picks then Murray had.

Like you said, Murray's later round picks haven't trickled through the developmental system just yet. It we're lamenting the current lack of NHL talent found after the first round, especially in the context of last season's roster, that's still mostly Regier's garbage.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Compared to averages at given draft spots, and how many player a team can expect to contribute out of a draft, Murray was average. Asplund, Olofsson, Guhle, and Borgen will be contributors.

The idea that other teams are regularly hitting on a majority of picks year after year is a myth. The Leafs had the best prospect system rated by THN this year. In the same years that Murray drafted, they hit on Grundstrom, Bracco, Timashov, Dermott, and Woll outside of the first round. And that's with more picks then Murray had.

The big one is Nylander. Can't miss there.

 

[haseoke39]

The big one is Nylander. Can't miss there.

The fanbase is particularly unforgiving when they were virtually unanimous for some player who ended up great and your guy failed for predictable reasons.

 

[Aladyyn]

If Kekalainen doesn't go off the board at 3 we're probably happy with Mikhail Sergachev right now.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

If Kekalainen doesn't go off the board at 3 we're probably happy with Mikhail Sergachev right now.

How is it going off the board to take the guy most people had at #4 at #3?

 

[Aladyyn]

How is it going off the board to take the guy most people had at #4 at #3?

1) He didn't take Tkachuk
2) Puljujarvi was the clear consensus #3, the top 3 was thought to be automatic.

 

[flashsabre]

The fact Hickey is attending developmental camp is a good sign. I think they get him signed and add some more depth to the pipeline.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Murray also drafted terrible, signed terrible contracts, developed terribly, and hired terribly. So if his terrible trading is all that bums you are actually in a much healthier spot that lots of others here.

Well I was kinda joking, but now after your reminder I'm looking around for that slipknot I made for the special occasion. My therapist won't be happy about losing out on my regular payment.

 

[1972]

Sabres were never taking Sergachev so it’s a pointless discussion. They wanted Juolevi.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

1) He didn't take Tkachuk
2) Puljujarvi was the clear consensus #3, the top 3 was thought to be automatic.

PLD was #4 on almost every list...

 

[Ace]

Sabres were never taking Sergachev so it’s a pointless discussion. They wanted Juolevi.

I believe they actually wanted Nylander. Murray didn’t seem to value D very much at all. He had plans to move down in 2014 if Ekblad was there at 2 and Reinhart went 1. There’s video of him of the draft floor talking about having a deal in place to move to 4 if that happened. When he says they had Nylander high I buy it because he had no poker face whatsoever.

 

[Man of Principles]

What do we have with this guy? All I really know is he's Jack's good friend. Can't hurt I guess.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

What do we have with this guy? All I really know is he's Jack's good friend. Can't hurt I guess.

Not sure but hes probably behind Pilut on the depth chart as 5D. Sounds like they think he will sign him so once injuries hit we will find out.

 

[JLewyB]

Ok. I don’t like the trade. It took a few days for me to come to the conclusion but this feels like a Murray trade.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Ok. I don’t like the trade. It took a few days for me to come to the conclusion but this feels like a Murray trade.

I think it’s an indication that they had no plans for Fasching, so better to get something than let him walk for nothing. Right now, they traded a healthy scratch for two unsigned players, which is basically a nothing trade. If Hickey signs, then it’s at worst a wash in the short term.

 

[Moskau]

Hickey is someone I wanted during his draft season and someone I thought we would have been after once he hit free agency after it was announced he wouldn't sign with Calgary or Arizona.

 

[NEcoli]

McNabb would be a borderline AHL
wreck would he have stayed with the Sabres.
Wasn't good enough for the Kings.
Has played awful in the final.
Let's see how he does next year.
Except the draft picks there is not much lost in this trade.
Its not like he is an established top 4 guy.

"They would have botched his development anyway" is an interesting tact to take to defend the trade.

I've also noticed that everyone who brings up his performance in the finals conveniently doesn't mention how he played in the first 3 rounds...

 

[haseoke39]

We would've botched everyone's development, which is why every trade is justified, because all players are worth zero under the right assumptions.

 

[Ace]

"They would have botched his development anyway" is an interesting tact to take to defend the trade.

I've also noticed that everyone who brings up his performance in the finals conveniently doesn't mention how he played in the first 3 rounds...

I’ve noticed the people who talk about the first 3 rounds conveniently don’t mention how he played the last 3 years.

 

[NEcoli]

I’ve noticed the people who talk about the first 3 rounds conveniently don’t mention how he played the last 3 years.

Funny you should bring that up. There's most definitely some revisionist history going on there. You'd think he was a trainwreck the last 3 seasons, rather than simply inconsistent.

 

[Moskau]

Dude finally learns how to tie his own skates and suddenly he's Anton Stralman.

 

[debaser66]

We would've botched everyone's development, which is why every trade is justified, because all players are worth zero under the right assumptions.

I am not trying to justify the trade.
I am just trying to point out that he has been let go by the Kings too..
If he would still be with the Kings there is a high probabilty he would still be bad.
It was this last change of scenery that activated something in him.
If anyone thinks he might be the same player if he wouldn't have been traded you re living in fantasy land.
And nobody could have kown back than that Fasching isnt developing here.
Would be funny if he is somehow traded to Vegas and becomes top6 forward.
What does the raging crowd say then.
Probably how bad Botterill is for trading that gem of a player.

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

Go Boston Rasmuses!