Proposal: Saad+Mitchell for W. Nylander

[featherhawk]

nylander may be traded but IMO the bolts want what we either don't have, an experienced number 1 or 2 D, or what we don't want to give up and at this point that would be Joker.

I bet if Stan offered up Joker for nylander straight up a deal would get done.

I hope Stan does not do same however as I think it would be a mistake on the hawks part

 

[BK]

nylander may be traded but IMO the bolts want what we either don't have, an experienced number 1 or 2 D, or what we don't want to give up and at this point that would be Joker.

I bet if Stan offered up Joker for nylander straight up a deal would get done.

I hope Stan does not do same however as I think it would be a mistake on the hawks part

Nylander plays for the Leafs not the Bolts FYI.

 

[featherhawk]

Nylander plays for the Leafs not the Bolts FYI.

ha ha, yes I am aware of that and I am going to type leafs and see if it autocorrects to bolts and it did not....wow that is interesting must have had bolts on my mind as I am well aware that nylander is a leaf....

 

[BHFAN92]

He's not even a center?

Nylander won 51.38% of Face Off last yr...I guess I would make same argument that Schmatlz is not a center either consider he averages about 37.4% FO wins...Bottom Line I view Nylander as the superior player and Schmaltz as a active passer afraid of contact but great at back checking..Forlsing to me is meh..He is rated behind Joker, Bovqist, Mitchell, Beaudin for me and would be willing to throw him into deal to get Nylander

 

[Hawkaholic]

They don't. They make each other look lazier than they are.

Dumb

 

[Hawkaholic]

Nylander won 51.38% of Face Off last yr...I guess I would make same argument that Schmatlz is not a center either consider he averages about 37.4% FO wins...Bottom Line I view Nylander as the superior player and Schmaltz as a active passer afraid of contact but great at back checking..Forlsing to me is meh..He is rated behind Joker, Bovqist, Mitchell, Beaudin for me and would be willing to throw him into deal to get Nylander

So FOW% is the only thing that makes you a good C? He took 8 faceoffs/gm. He's not a C.

 

[Hawkaholic]

glad to see someone else sees that schmaltz is not a good fit with Kane. IMO schmaltz and Kane are a terrible fit together, Schmaltz should be a Centre for a kick ass third line such as Saad-Schmaltz-Sikura.

AA is the correct C for Kane and I don't understand why anyone would fight that, its obvious.

Sometimes I wonder if people actually watch when they have opinions like this. Anisimov is not even close to as good with Kane as Schmaltz is.

 

[ChiHawks10]

They even talk about the chemistry they have. It's dumb to deny it. Yes. Schmaltz doesn't shoot as much as he should, but they know where each other are going to be, and where they are going, and work very well together.

And Schmaltz finally seems to be realizing he has a good shot and needs to utilize it more, rather than defer to Kane all the time. He had some good looks last night. I liked seeing him setup for the one-timer from Kane, too.

Ignoring the fact that Nylander isn't playing center in Toronto(or even playing right now)... I wouldn't do Schmaltz for Nylander straight up, let alone adding.

Offense - Equal, slight edge to Nylander(unless we see Schmaltz take another step forward)
Defense - Schmaltz is superior.
Versatility - Schmaltz can play wing or C, and has great chemistry with Kane.

Edge to Schmaltz in every aspect of the game, with even just a very small step forward in his offensive ability.

I'm also of the opinion that Schmaltz is wearing a letter for this team eventually, if he stays with them long enough for one to free up.

He's always one of the hardest working players on the ice to boot. And his ability to pickpocket guys is starting to remind me of Hossa, actually.

 

[BHFAN92]

So FOW% is the only thing that makes you a good C? He took 8 faceoffs/gm. He's not a C.

then neither is Schmaltz..what's your point exactly? Schmatlz does nothing a Center needs to do well hence why I am arguing trading him for Nylander

 

[Kevin Musto]

Hopefully we can sign Duchene or Wise can step up as 2C soon. Schmaltz needs to stick to the wing in the future.

 

[Kevin Musto]

glad to see someone else sees that schmaltz is not a good fit with Kane. IMO schmaltz and Kane are a terrible fit together, Schmaltz should be a Centre for a kick ass third line such as Saad-Schmaltz-Sikura.

AA is the correct C for Kane and I don't understand why anyone would fight that, its obvious.

Yeah I'm good with this. Although Sikura is in Rockford, in the meantime they should run:

Cat-Captain-Kahun
Hayden-Anisimov-Kane
Saad-Schmaltz-Fortin
Kunitz-Kruger-Kampf

Replace Fortin with Sikura later

 

[ChiHawks10]

then neither is Schmaltz..what's your point exactly? Schmatlz does nothing a Center needs to do well hence why I am arguing trading him for Nylander

Really? He's the hardest working guy on the ice. He's always the first forward back on the backcheck. He's very defensively responsible. His vision is great. He's great on the puck. His positioning is great in all zones. I mean... the only thing he doesn't do well as a C is take faceoffs...

 

[BHFAN92]

Yeah I'm good with this. Although Sikura is in Rockford, in the meantime they should run:

Cat-Captain-Kahun
Hayden-Anisimov-Kane
Saad-Schmaltz-Fortin
Kunitz-Kruger-Kampf

Replace Fortin with Sikura later

I would love to see Forting with Kane for at least 3 games..he is in the sniper mode type player that Kane loves to set up one timers to

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Saad is absolutely useless at this point, just cut your losses and take a second rounder. Can’t get that? Take a third rounder. Do whatever it takes to trade him while taking on no salary.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I would love to see Forting with Kane for at least 3 games..he is in the sniper mode type player that Kane loves to set up one timers to

No. He's an elite skater. He's fast. He plays a solid two-way game. He's not a sniper... never has been. Never will be.

He'll be a defensively responsible, two-way winger in the mold of a solid 3rd line guy for his whole career. And that's if he can elevate his IQ similar to how Hino did in year two.

 

[BK]

then neither is Schmaltz..what's your point exactly? Schmatlz does nothing a Center needs to do well hence why I am arguing trading him for Nylander

This is not remotely accurate.

Schmaltz is fine in his own zone and great on the back check.

His biggest deficiency are reluctance to shoot and face offs.

 

[AmericanDream]

No. He's an elite skater. He's fast. He plays a solid two-way game. He's not a sniper... never has been. Never will be.

He'll be a defensively responsible, two-way winger in the mold of a solid 3rd line guy for his whole career. And that's if he can elevate his IQ similar to how Hino did in year two.

agreed.
there is one thing speed does for fans, it clouds the mind and judgement as a player just looks like he should be a star. but then after 6-7 games of seeing said player fly around out there you start to realize that is the only thing they do well, skate.

we saw the same with Duclair. people fell in love with him the first 3 games or so, then reality set in that he can fly out there, he can skate the puck into the zone but once he is there he turns into a deer in the headlights. I do not know if Fortin will be the same, but players with speed always look tantalizing at first, you have to then be patient and see if they can produce as well. he simply has not shown he can produce at any level of pro hockey yet...I hope he can as having speed like that in our lineup just adds to what is already forming here. but I will reserve my judgement until after at least a half dozen games up here to see what tools are in the tool box.

 

[BK]

I would love to see Forting with Kane for at least 3 games..he is in the sniper mode type player that Kane loves to set up one timers to

Sniper mode?

Is thisNHL 19 now?

Hahaha

 

[Hawkaholic]

then neither is Schmaltz..what's your point exactly? Schmatlz does nothing a Center needs to do well hence why I am arguing trading him for Nylander

What are you even talking about?
Schmaltz does almost everything a Centre should do, except be good at faceoffs. He is literally your prototypical C in every other aspect of the game.

 

[Hawkaholic]

I would love to see Forting with Kane for at least 3 games..he is in the sniper mode type player that Kane loves to set up one timers to

Sniper? I haven't seen anything from Fortin to suggest he is a sniper.

 

[AmericanDream]

Sniper? I haven't seen anything from Fortin to suggest he is a sniper.

maybe he is in Fortnite

 

[ChiHawk21]

what about for drouin...maybe like saad for drouin. change of scenery trade

 

[Kevin Musto]

what about for drouin...maybe like saad for drouin. change of scenery trade

I suggested this. It'd be a great scenario for us even if we have to add a little bit. Save some cap space long term for a guy that will be better for us.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Actually, the point of this thread was to see if a deal could get done around Saad and a defenseman not named Jokiharju or Boqvist. If it couldn't get done, then oh well. I thought I was close with either Mitchell or Murphy, but the cap implications are too great for the Leafs. Never mind then. Let's move on.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Actually, the point of this thread was to see if a deal could get done around Saad and a defenseman not named Jokiharju or Boqvist. If it couldn't get done, then oh well. I thought I was close with either Mitchell or Murphy, but the cap implications are too great for the Leafs. Never mind then. Let's move on.

It was worth exploring. No harm, no foul.