The Shermanator
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We don't have pennies any more bro.
Edit: I'm and idiot, I thought the dollars were pennies.
Still, I wouldn't put it passed him to pick up all the pennies in the world if he saw them on the ground.
We don't have pennies any more bro.
Edit: I'm and idiot, I thought the dollars were pennies.
I think I'm afraid to disagree with our moderator now.
So I think this is a great deal!
ROR wins
Avs win
Fans win
All are blessed
You shouldnt be afriad , everyone here have the right to say what they want , as long as it's within the rules. That's the basic of a message board like HF . We may not always be on the same page , but everyone have the right to express themself .
If a team could sign him to a long term deal as an RFA then they can sign him to an extension as a UFA. Either way, he'll be asking for the same amount
The road is different but the end will/can be the same. O'Reilly doesn't have to sign a multi year contract next off-season if he only got the one year deal. He could just go for player elected arbitration, team is forced to take the one year award and O'Reilly walks at the end of the year. Or he takes the QO and walks to UFA.
The only difference between the two-year deal and the one year award is that O'Reilly is under contract for the 2015-16 season. With the one year award he would only be under contract for this season. He still would still get to UFA just as fast either way.
For one more year to become UFA year after that anyway and sign with anyone for top dollar.
Not in any way a safe assumption to make. That a guy who's an RFA will ask for the same amount as when he's approaching UFA. Especially a guy who uses leverage to the full extent that he can.
I think that's just taking the speculation a little too far. He doesn't have to sign a multi year deal, but it's a little silly to think he won't propose one.
As opposed to being a pending UFA, he doesn't have to even put forward an offer, and the team trading for him might not even know what his asking price is, because he hasn't made any. He's waiting to hit UFA.
In one case, O'Reilly is forced to negotiate. In the other case he's not.
Also, to make clear this one year vs two year conversation was a result of me saying I'd rather have the one year deal so they could trade him and because then his trade value would be higher. Not because I think he'll be easier for the Avs to sign. He'll be equally hard because the Avs don't like his asking price. He will however be much easier for the team that's willing to meet his asking price to re-sign as an RFA vs a pending UFA.
Skipped right past the point. Has to negotiate and make an offer vs doesn't have to negotiate or make an offer. Which player would you rather trade for? Assuming you're already comfortable with his asking price.
I'm curious if anybody thinks that since Sakic and ROR were reportedly in the same room when a deal was struck, if that could be a factor in the signing.
I won't pretend to know how these type of negotiations normally go, but I would imagine the agency handles a majority (or all) of the communication on the players side. We all know how Newport seems to operate, so could ROR have felt compelled to take a more active role and accept a deal while being face to face with Sakic? In a sense, bridging the gap between Newport and the Avs?
I like that they came to an agreement before arbitration.
I like that ROR can prove himself with the Avs.
I'm extremely cynical about what ROR is up to in the not-so-distant future.
Until he signs long-term, I'll view him as a rental.
I highly doubt he signs long-term unless he turns it ON and the Avs react to the obvious.
In short, I'm skeptical of the guy. Both in how he'll perform and what he'll do down the road, regardless.
But for right now, and for as much as he's pissed me off, I'll hope (maybe naively) for the best.
I guess that's what being a fan is all about.
I proposed this as a possibility a few pages ago. I DEFINITELY think it was a factor in signing factor.
All this the Avs did the right thing by avoiding burning bridges or hurting ROR's feelings in an arbitration hearing is nonsense. Especially when right behind that ROR is lauded for making a business decision to manipulate the RFA system and by holding firm in order to maximize his value.
If he expects the organization and his team mates to separate and acknowledge the business part of hockey, than he should be tough enough to handle a bunch of front office guys listing off reasons he is only worth a percentage of what he is asking for.
He is after all a man of great Character, the kind of character you need to win a Stanley Cup
Not in any way a safe assumption to make. That a guy who's an RFA will ask for the same amount as when he's approaching UFA. Especially a guy who uses leverage to the full extent that he can.
I love the holier than thou attitude of the main board not only are they expert GM's but also a bunch of mother teresa's. As if they won't try to get the most money out of billionaires.
me too. Makes me wonder if Sakic ever had a face to face with 26.I proposed this as a possibility a few pages ago. I DEFINITELY think it was a factor in signing factor.
Come on buddy...It's okay for the owners to lower a player's potential income by implementing rules of Restricted Free Agency versus Unrestricted Free Agency but it's not ok for a player to stay within the rules and drive his own income up?
I'm not sure which thread I made the comment on but if I was to guess about ROR's thoughts, I would imagine he simply doesn't believe the CBA, Salary Cap, Restricted Free Agency and the NHLPA have his best interests in heart. He's a great (not exceptional...yet) hockey player with a pretty unique skill set and I would guess he thinks he should be able to negotiate contracts openly with any employer. He's never done anything that broke rules or contracts and has stayed within the rules of every CBA he's played under.
As a fan, I can somewhat understand a bit of unease and angst from other fans when he's being difficult or giving the team a hard time but seriously...the "team" gives players a much hard go every time a CBA expires. I guess I've just become a bit indifferent to the whole thing.
Didn't mean to single you out but this seemed like a good point at which to make my 2 cents...I guess I've just been a bit disappointed with all the animosity and negativity directed towards Ryan.
Come on buddy...It's okay for the owners to lower a player's potential income by implementing rules of Restricted Free Agency versus Unrestricted Free Agency but it's not ok for a player to stay within the rules and drive his own income up?
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I love the holier than thou attitude of the main board not only are they expert GM's but also a bunch of mother teresa's. As if they won't try to get the most money out of billionaires.
The main board is full of morons. I can only read a few pages. They act as if their team could and would give him a blank check as if they don't have their own cap issues and don't understand why a team might try to abide by the salary cap.
But just because a shred of sanity prevailed today I'm not ready to act like this was just any other player-team situation that played out. Let's not rewrite history and call it what it is, doesn't change anything. I'm the master at understanding temporary happiness and ignorance is bliss so I'm relatively content for now with the temporary solution. It's a problem for another day is what it is.
I'm curious if anybody thinks that since Sakic and ROR were reportedly in the same room when a deal was struck, if that could be a factor in the signing.
I won't pretend to know how these type of negotiations normally go, but I would imagine the agency handles a majority (or all) of the communication on the players side. We all know how Newport seems to operate, so could ROR have felt compelled to take a more active role and accept a deal while being face to face with Sakic? In a sense, bridging the gap between Newport and the Avs?
Until he signs long-term, I'll view him as a rental.