Player Discussion Ryan Nugent-Hopkins '18-19 season

Fourier

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That's such horse**** it's not even funny.

On his own line, Nuge is a 40-point player. On his own line, Draisaitl is a 70-point player.

Also since you like numbers so much, Bruce McCurdy posted some numbers on Twitter:



For the first 17 games of the season, Nuge was with McD and posted a grand total of 3 goals. In the same time span, on his own line, Draisaitl went PPG.

The narrative that Draisait is dependent on McDavid is the biggest lie in history. As is the idea that Nuge is better than him.

The whole Nuge vs Draisaitl argument is completely pointless. They play different roles and have different strengths. But your post still shows how numbers can be used to mislead. In the first 17 games of the season Leon was indeed centering his own line and was at a ppg but 10 of the 17 points involved McDavid directly. Two more were with McDavid on the ice. Even though Nuge was actually on McDavid's line during this period 6 of his 17 points points did not have McDavid getting a point.

For the season Nuge has 21 points on which McDavid did not get a point, Leon has 18. Both players actually help McDavid when they play with him so its not like they both ride his coat tails and do nothing otherwise.

But the bottomline is: Why do we care? If either of these two guys were not actually producing things would be even worse.
 
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nabob

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The whole Nuge vs Draisaitl argument is completely pointless. They play different roles and have different strengths. But your post still shows how numbers can be used to mislead. In the first 17 games of the season Leon was indeed centering his own line and was at a ppg but 10 of the 17 points involved McDavid directly. Two more were with McDavid on the ice. Even though Nuge was actually on McDavid's line during this period 6 of his 17 points points did not have McDavid getting a point.

For the season Nuge has 21 points on which McDavid dei not get a point, Leon has 18. Both player actually help McDavid when they play with him so its not like they both ride his coat tails and do nothing otherwise.

But the bottomline is: Why do we care? If either of these two guys were not actually producing things would be even worse.

Yeah there’s so many other things to be upset about with this club, no need to tear one player down in an attempt to build up another player. Especially when they’re the 2nd and 3rd best forwards on the team.
 

joestevens29

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The whole Nuge vs Draisaitl argument is completely pointless. They play different roles and have different strengths. But your post still shows how numbers can be used to mislead. In the first 17 games of the season Leon was indeed centering his own line and was at a ppg but 10 of the 17 points involved McDavid directly. Two more were with McDavid on the ice. Even though Nuge was actually on McDavid's line during this period 6 of his 17 points points did not have McDavid getting a point.

For the season Nuge has 21 points on which McDavid did not get a point, Leon has 18. Both players actually help McDavid when they play with him so its not like they both ride his coat tails and do nothing otherwise.

But the bottomline is: Why do we care? If either of these two guys were not actually producing things would be even worse.
So what you are saying is load them up on one line;)
 

Duke74

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Hall had insane GF% numbers here, especially compared to the team. He had a 51.14 GF% during his time here, which was 11.2% higher than the team average, and he did it without McDavid on his line.

RNH has also had a positive GF% rel over his time here. Obviously he's not the gamebreaking superstar like Hall is but he's a great #2 C who consistently gets underappreciated.

GF% is not corsi, it's goal share. Also, not sure what you're talking about, both corsi and GF% use 5v5 only.

Away from McDavid I'm not sure the gap is as big as you think it is between the two offensively.

McCurdy's numbers posted points per 60 mins. Draisaitl's point production away from McDavid shows that he's not being "babysat" by anyone, which contradicts your original jab at him.

To echo the sentiments of other posters, it's sad when our fanbase can't appreciate the only two star players outside of McDavid and needs to trash one in order to elevate the other.
 

Stoneman89

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Drafting effective players outside of the first round is impossible for the current team. It's first round or nothin' at all.


And even the first round has been a 50/50 crapshoot. But they did make an excellent and well thought out choice in picking McDavid, so credit is due there.
 

Spawn

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Feb 20, 2006
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The whole Nuge vs Draisaitl argument is completely pointless. They play different roles and have different strengths. But your post still shows how numbers can be used to mislead. In the first 17 games of the season Leon was indeed centering his own line and was at a ppg but 10 of the 17 points involved McDavid directly. Two more were with McDavid on the ice. Even though Nuge was actually on McDavid's line during this period 6 of his 17 points points did not have McDavid getting a point.

For the season Nuge has 21 points on which McDavid did not get a point, Leon has 18. Both players actually help McDavid when they play with him so its not like they both ride his coat tails and do nothing otherwise.

But the bottomline is: Why do we care? If either of these two guys were not actually producing things would be even worse.
Fourier da real MVP
 

Zaddy

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Can we all just appreciate the fact that RNH continues to produce with garbage wingers? He's got worse wingers than Drai yet he's still at almost a point per game, while Draisaitl can't spend more than a period away from Connor without having to be stapled back to his wing.

Your post would be so much better if you stopped at the bolded. Why include that last part? This is the RNH thread even, but even so you're still trying to bait guys into an argument with you. Why can't you just praise Nuge, without the need of slagging Drai? I don't get it, it's so incredibly unnecessary.
 
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ThreeOfAPerfectPair

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This beauty.

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thadd

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49 games into the season and Hopkins is only 10 points behind his career best.
49 games, 16 goals and 30 assists for 46 points.
Doesn't look like we're going to get 30 goals out of him but I was hoping to see him light the red lamp up 30 times this year.
Finishing the year with 82 points is still possible, though and that be flat out awesome for us... well I donno. How expensive would be become to resign him? :oops::(
 

Bryanbryoil

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49 games into the season and Hopkins is only 10 points behind his career best.
49 games, 16 goals and 30 assists for 46 points.
Doesn't look like we're going to get 30 goals out of him but I was hoping to see him light the red lamp up 30 times this year.
Finishing the year with 82 points is still possible, though and that be flat out awesome for us... well I donno. How expensive would be become to resign him? :oops::(

He had a lengthy goal drought early, he could still hit 30 goals especially if he stays with Connor for a bit.
 
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Bryanbryoil

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With 6 games left in the season:

Career highs in goals (28), points (64), PPG (8), PPP (25), SHP (3, ties career high).

Closing in on career highs in sog (198, career high is 200), assists (36, career high is 37), GWG (3, career high is 4, has done twice in his career)
 
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