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Player Discussion Ryan Nugent-Hopkins '17-18 Season
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Taking salary into effect and the fact Peca was one of the NHL's best defensive centers playing for dirt cheap, I dunno if I could find a comparable right now. I'm sure I could if I looked hard haha.
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There isn't someone you could trade Nuge for who would make the team better. Potentially a more traditional 3C, but that still doesn't make the team better.
Nuge comes with a higher salary than you want in a 3C, but he is excellent in that role. Playing somebody with less offensive upside there allows teams to focus on McD and Drai more.
My whole point was in regards to the poster referring to Peca as a " 20 point grinding forward who takes key faceoffs"
Pecas impact in the 06 cup run is more than likely never matched by Nuge.
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Likely because they never had a McDavid or Draisatl, and because of that, they played a more rope-a-dope style and relied heavily on big minutes from Pronger and out of this world goaltending from Roli. They had an unexpected miracle run, and nothing else.This team plays a completely different style than that due to the personnel, as well as the way the league is headed now.
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The way the Oilers play, with a fast, up temp style, Nuge really is finding a niche in his role now, and it's hard to imagine someone else filling that role.
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Peca was dirt cheap? He made 4mil the one year he was here, a number that would still be seen as expensive today. Now imagine that with a salary cap at 39 million.
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No kidding. 4 million back then translates to about 7 or 8 million now. A lot of money for a checking, defensive centre..
Third lines aren't checking lines anymore. That concept is over. Now teams either play power-vs-power or hard target a single match-up (EG: Kesler shadows McDavid).
I think we can agree that in years past, RNH has been used as that match-up guy when it wasn't the best use of his skill-set. But as he is going now, there's no reason to take him out of that role except possible salary constraints.
Mike Peca was one of the best defensive centers of his time and was putting up better than Nuge numbers all while facing some of the best competition in the NHL in a lower scoring era. I take a Mike Peca in his prime for 7 million dollars over Nuge right now for 6 AINEC.
I mean don't get me wrong, I love Nuge. But people are really downplaying Mike Pecas effect he had on the clubs he played on. He got paid big money to go to Edmonton, and that pay was warranted. I was mostly talking about the previous years prior to the cap. Had a shitty season in EDM, excellent playoffs and then injuries effectively ended his career.
It's not the worst thing in the world to admit you got something wrong.
Four posts ago you were "taking salary into account" for Nuge being better. Now Peca "in his prime" is worth more than Nuge now?
Do you at least agree that Mike Peca who played for the Oilers was not Peca in his prime?
No, I was saying taking salary into effect for Peca being better. Read the post. Hindsight is 20/20 and when the Oil got Peca at 4 million it was regarded as a very reasonable salary because of what he brings to the table
In regards to the prime question, Peca in the 05/06 regular season no, Peca in the cup run, absolutely.
Anyways, it's getting off topic. I was a massive fan of Peca back in the day and I just got a little irked when he was referred to as a 20 point "grinder". Maybe the one year he played in Edm yeah, but like I said prior, you don't make it onto the Olympic team, finish top 5 in Selke voting for 7 straight years and take 2 down by being a 20 point grinder. The dude was an extremely effective hockey player, and one of the best shut down centers who could pot 40+ points in the late 90s and early 2000s.
Nuge is having an excellent season, but is farrrrr from being the "best" at anything.
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Nuge is the best at being one of our top three forwards and a top five player on the team.
Shutdown lines are just power lines without offence. If we're up against a Crosby, throw out McDavid. "Shut them down" by fighting fire with fire, power with power.
We shouldn't even be treating RNH like a shutdown player. He hasn't been used in that role this year. He's been a two-way, complete 2A/2B centre. Power vs power is the game he should be playing, so let's talk about how his offensive flair is back and how his supporting cast let him down.
Shutdown lines are just power lines without offence. If we're up against a Crosby, throw out McDavid. "Shut them down" by fighting fire with fire, power with power.
We shouldn't even be treating RNH like a shutdown player. He hasn't been used in that role this year. He's been a two-way, complete 2A/2B centre. Power vs power is the game he should be playing, so let's talk about how his offensive flair is back and how his supporting cast let him down.
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Got my Nuge jersey about the same time you got yours. Mind you, I'm 17 now, so I've grown in that time frame. It fits like a t-shirt now, but I'm still wearing it.
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Got mine as a birthday gift and fits about the same but I am pretty much fully grown so its all good XD.
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