Player Discussion Ryan Dzingel

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  1. bert

    bert Registered User

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    Whats the actual point of this, just creates a hole up front. They have so much cap space. They need to sign him. He gets better every season, his shots way better now and so is his patience with the puck.
     
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    Looks like he is going to price himself out of our range........Humm
     
  3. ReginKarlssonLehner

    ReginKarlssonLehner Let's Win It All

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    Could be a blessing in disguise.
     
  4. ottawah

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    I think people sometimes forget just low scoring numbers are, and lets also take into account he lays LW, a position notoriously hard to fill at the NHL level.

    2017 - 48th highest scoring LW for goals and points, thats a mid level 2nd liner numbers.
    2018 - 33rd highest scoring LW, 22nd for goals, You are talking a very high end second liner, border line first liner.
    2019 - 14th in scoring, 5th for goals, definitely better than average 1st line winger.

    And adding all three season is he is 38th in scoring, 22nd in goals.

    His intangibles are not the greatest but from a production point of view, he has easily shown himself to have developed into a very high end 2nd line LW and may very well now be an average 1st line winger in todays NHL. I think he is in line for a 5Mx6 minimum.
     
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    branch boomerang my twiggy

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    Yeah I don't think he's signing here. He's a good old all 'Merican frat boy who wants to head back to the midwest IMO. Somewhere like Chicago, STL, or Columbus.
     
  6. Do Make Say Think

    Do Make Say Think & Yet & Yet

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    Cap space? What's that?
     
  7. danielpalfredsson

    danielpalfredsson wishes he thought of 'pete dorito' first

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    I don't like only looking at LW or RW, because wingers especially play multiple positions these days. Lots of centers play C+W.

    I looked on NHL.com, in 16-17 he was 201 in points per game among forwards with 50 games or more.

    Last year, he was 141.

    Beong ranked 186 would be the cutoff for top 6 production with 31 teams, 93 would be first line production. Obviously it's not that black and white, there can be clusters of guys with similar production beyond that.

    I looked at the numbers just to see if I was out of touch with production, and I don't think I am in this case. At best, I'd maybe say calling him a low end second line producer was a poor choice of words, maybe a typical 2nd line producer last year would have been more appropriate since hes close to the mid point of the 93rd and 186th most productive forwards.
     
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    Might want to play the the organization that took at chance on him as a 7th round pick and actually developed him properly to the point where he is going to get a great and well deserved pay day.

    I find it shocking around here people are suggesting that avoiding him getting paid what he is worth a blessing in disguise when he has been on a constant up tick. Development is not the same for all players and his curve is extending into his late 20's. For a player that is 26 he actually hasn't played alot of hockey and he doesnt play a game thats hard on his body. He has only played 325 pro games, he played 3 seasons in college never more than 40 games and started playing Jr at 17 years old. Not to mention his game is tailored for the new NHL.

    Id happily give him a 5 year 22 million dollar deal of an annual cap hit of 4.5 Million.
     
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    This is all good and fine if you only look at points as a way to evaluate a player but it doesnt give an accurate depiction of Dzingel or the way his career is going.
     
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    I think he is a big lifestyle kind of guy and Ottawa as a city can't offer what he wants. His GF is a golf pro and he probably wants to be able to spend time with her year round as well. Golf doesn't happen year round in Ottawa.
     
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    Players dont go out in their home town cities almost at all anymore in the NHL, simply not worth it and he doesnt have to live in Ottawa year round. Sometimes when you are comfortable in a place and you are producing, havent played anywhere else and know your role on a team 22 million sounds pretty good is all im saying.
     
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    hell truly has frozen over....you and i agree on something
     
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    Yep ,same ...He is a top 9 forward that can pot 20 consistantly
     
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    If it comes down to $ which is likely, I would rather resign Dzingel than resign Ceci for about the same money. Ceci may play the more important position but I think Dzingel's play warrants the contract where Ceci's does not.
     
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    Its has made me reconsider my stance ;)
     
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    Yeah ,Ceci should go if not only for his sake...
     
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    I’m into trading Dzingel. Good player, soft on the puck, not worth the $5 million it’ll cost to keep him.

    Can get a 1st round + for him.
     
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    Solidifies the fact I want to keep him.
     
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    Okay cool, keep close track of my comments for how you’ll be thinking In the future.
     
  20. ottawah

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    I tend to look more at positions, but fair enough. I think what you tend to see is the centers will dominate the point totals, so its not always fair to compare wingers to centers, which is where I am coming from. As for playing off wing, it does happen, certainly a lot on the PP, but its not ideal. It is what makes RHD so valuable in this league. Even at center, many teams want left hand shots if they can get them, there are less of them.

    So I think anytime you are dealing with a lesser available commodity (LW, RHD, LHC), the value increases to most teams.


    I also wanted to point out that the vast majority of fans really overestimate what it takes for scoring to be slotted in certain positions. Its not exact, but last year a top 3 forward technically was at 51 points or higher, 34 points made you top 6, and 22 points made you top 9. Yeah, injuries boost the bottom guys up, like I said its not exact, but it should help temper expectations as to what these players provide.

    Even on D people would be very very surprised. 8 points got you top 6 last year. 16 points got you top 4. And 27 points got you first pairing.

    Rough production numbers, but I always find people vastly overestimate just how little scoring happens outside of the top lines.
     
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    I think we should keep him, show the fan base that we reward our home grown talent, show the players that we are interested in not only development and short term relationships, but long term success.

    When we keep a hold of our own guys we can start setting of a salary structure that is based on mutual loyalty and respect, rather than having to constantly scour the UFA market for mercenaries that are almost always overpaid.

    I think we need to keep the type of players that reflect what kind of team we want to be. A guy like Dzingle shouldn't cost 'too much', is a fast scoring winger who like to drive towards the net, was a late bloomer, late pick who we took a chance on and stuck with. He also seems to be a hero with the kids in the local community, and is of an age where he can fit in with Stone and Duchene as our elder statesmen.

    In the 5 million range with some term would be worth it in my opinion.
     
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    a late first for dzingel would make me upset.
     
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    Package Ceci, Dzingel and another player we won’t need in the future for the best D-man possible. Of course, they’ll have to agree to extend with that team; don’t trade them as rentals.
     
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    Could totally see him hit 30g 55-60 points this year. Definitely keep him
     
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    Oh yay that's cool and in the small chance that the 1st rounder even comes close to the player that Dzingel is in 5 years, are we gonna trade that asset too for a future because we can't afford $5M player?

    The viscous cycle continues.
     

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