Dr Jan Itor
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Will this team score enough for him to get to 50? I kinda doubt it.
Depends heavily on guys like himself.
Will this team score enough for him to get to 50? I kinda doubt it.
If that's your opinion I respect it, its definitely not mine though. Dont let his play with Boston skew what he was here. He was largely an invisible player for us imo. A ghost on the ice with minnesota.
Again, that's opinion. What I see in Boston is a reenergized Coyle.
He’s a goal-scorer who is scoring goals. So goodHow has he looked lately. I cant watch games i work nights.
Hey certainly doesn't add anything to the team on the 4th line, that's for sure. Playing with confidence and in positions where he has a chance to succeed, I dig it.Keep himhim in top 6
When everyone is healthy (which I understand won’t be often) who moves to the bottom 6?Keep himhim in top 6
Yeah unfortunately I have to agree. It's amusing to me to see all these Bawston folks slobber over him. Of course he was going to be at least a little better on a better team, and his stretch these playoffs entirely looks like a fluke to me. And add in the fact that's he's a Bawston kid now playing for the home team...yep, just looks like he's having a nice run that will not be sustained.
He will NOT sustain that next season(s). But if he does, oh well. I saw Donato at the Olympics and he was fantastic. I liked the trade for him.
That said, a lot of players either leave here and do good or come here and regress. I think the culture around the organization isn't the best. If only we were the legendary NORTH STARS maybe players would have a little more pride and integrity working for/putting on the sweater.
Koivu or Stall I guess. You can't take Donato out of the top-6 at this rate he's playing.When everyone is healthy (which I understand won’t be often) who moves to the bottom 6?
Koivu or Stall I guess. You can't take Donato out of the top-6 at this rate he's playing.
I've said it since the day I joined the message boards as well AKLWeird, who would have seen it coming that the kid plays well and looks good when he’s not getting 7 minutes a game with fourth liners?
@2Pair are you as perplexed as I am here?
Am I missing something? I haven't been able to watch a lot of games lately.
Centers should be (in no order)
Ek
Donato
Koivu
Staal
At some point I'm going to dig through game logs to nail down which ones he spent in the top-6 and what his production was like in those games. Between this year and last he's got to be close to a point-per-game when getting quality minutes.
He does have work to do defensively, but that might just come down to adding strength and experience. He's not lazy and sounds like a high-character kid. Given time and opportunity he'll round out nicely.
Weird, who would have seen it coming that the kid plays well and looks good when he’s not getting 7 minutes a game with fourth liners?
I do agree with 57 on Foligno and Hartman being quality guys as 4th liners go. They actually get a good number of scoring chances, which last night was a good example of (though the Oilers' bottom-6 is pretty bad).Which is why it blows my mind when people are ready to ship him out for scraps or as a throwaway because he didn’t look good on the fourth line getting 7 minutes a night. And then someone like 57 says “why are you saying playing with Foligno and Hartman is a bad thing, they’ve been good this season” which perplexes me even more.
I mean you’ve said it before, I think Zucker is the guy to move, keep Fiala and Donato because they fit in with the future core of guys like Boldy, Khovanov, etc.
I might be sounding crazy, but hear me out:So, who do you trade now? Fiala and Zucker? Greenway and Zucker? Parise and Zucker? Problem is, Donato is up in the top 6 only because of injuries.
Donato still has a ways to go before slotting him permanently in the top 6.
So, who do you trade now? Fiala and Zucker? Greenway and Zucker? Parise and Zucker? Problem is, Donato is up in the top 6 only because of injuries.
Donato still has a ways to go before slotting him permanently in the top 6.
I do agree with 57 on Foligno and Hartman being quality guys as 4th liners go. They actually get a good number of scoring chances, which last night was a good example of (though the Oilers' bottom-6 is pretty bad).
Still, expectations have to match the opportunities. Even on a good 4th line he's looking at <10 minutes a night with zero powerplay time, which isn't going to result in many points. Same thing would happen with Zucker, Parise, Fiala, etc.
I'm kind of holding my breath on this whole center experiment, because I haven't hated him there. I can't imagine it working out long term, but man would that kill two enormous birds with one stone. And hell, if you would've asked me two months ago if Carson Soucy could be a top-4 defenseman (and play both sides) I would've told you no.
Zucker and Greenway. You can’t trade Parise, and he can fill in for Greenway on that line. You can still call it the PEEK Squad (and as an added bonus you don’t have to worry about infringing on Best Buy’s trademark).
Zucker has the most value as a win now piece. Greenway is replaceable as a bottom six guy. Fiala and Donato have value as future top 6 guys.
What's the hypothesis on Donato, that had he been in Parise's spot from the get-go that we'd be looking at a 40+20 or 30+30 guy right now? Because I don't think I'm quite there yet.
I think if he'd spent the year in Zucker or Parise's spots (along with the powerplay minutes) he'd be closer to 20 points than he would be to 10. I don't think he's done enough to justify stealing either of those spots from either of those players, but it's something to bear in mind when thinking about what he is or can be.What's the hypothesis on Donato, that he had been in Parise's spot from the get-go that we'd be looking at a 40+20 or 30+30 guy right now? Because I don't think I'm there yet.