Player Discussion: Ryan Callahan - Part 2

[The Macho King]

Lol Callahan knows his next contract is league minimum or close to it. He doesn't want to get traded to "reestablish himself."

Also f***ing lol at him being our best forward against the Caps.

 

[DFC]

I think Nick is just struggling to accept the realities that come with your favorite player in the twilight of his career.

That said, Cally had a good game tonight. The rotation is probably the best thing for him. If he wants to have a good playoff showing, he needs to be healthy, and every game he plays these days is like dodging a bullet in that regard.

 

[Hoek]

Lol Callahan knows his next contract is league minimum or close to it. He doesn't want to get traded to "reestablish himself."

Also ****ing lol at him being our best forward against the Caps.

What are you talking about? He scored a bunch of goals on the power play to get us a couple wins in that series... oh wait that was Stamkos.

 

[JoVel]

What are you talking about? He scored a bunch of goals on the power play to get us a couple wins in that series... oh wait that was Stamkos.

We were bad in that series but not so bad that a guy who went scoreless in 6 of the 7 games would have been our best forward.

 

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p.s. cally answered my question within a minute so yes have said things in past and maybe in future but is more pay to me for what he can do for us even though he is a great player. Yet respect the HELL out of the man. Truly a class act like vinny.... SO hats off to Mr. Callahan is such a nice guy....

p.p.s. was unsure where to put this one so if ops want to move im cool with that thank you if you have to do the work to move etc...

 

[The Macho King]

Holy shit Coop is getting smarter.

 

[God King Fudge]

Man. I feel for the dude. He would have been well worth it if he kept his first season production, but everyone knew that contract was bad when it was given to him.

Not his fault that he got offered too much, but it's gotta hurt for a vet to get that talk.

It's best for the team, though. He's just not worth keeping guys like Joseph off the ice.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

warning might be LONG.... I respect the HELL out of the man as a man what he has done for tampa for bringing others how really he is such a stand up guy and should be the type ALL people look at to see how maybe to carry yourself in this hard world. Yesterday wrote a bit on him cause he is auctioning off a photo through his foundation with tickets and signed by the players including stamkos I think on march 3rd. I am a NOBODY but MR. Callahan instantly answered my questions. He is a busy man to do that shows his integrity and who he is. I honestly put him with VINNY as the biggest influencer on the lightning ive gotten the pleasure of watching and seeing live their lives in the public eye..... My hats off to this man. I would hope he wants full time work and wants to be moved if this is the case. I WANT joseph in but I was fine with a bit of a rotation giving a vet like cally time off at times. I think in right situation he is a very good player for another team. I will live with his decision be hard to leave here he has soo much respect from his team mates for all he has done and how he conducts himself. Its a numbers game with a salary cap like the vinny situation is plain and simple is sad to me. I remember the days of detroit when could run up 125 million lol.... I liked that haha... I get todays nhl and can be brutal. I do not feel he is a liability in any way shape or form and its 100% on his contract honestly and age... He can still be a second line player on a ton of teams imho... So hope he makes the choice for him that works for him. Will I say he has to go at some point? Only if we are upgrading to a superstar to take his place....I love our team I love our guys I love cally for the person he is and what he has done.... Class act period... sad day to me honestly and many have seen me post things about what lightning are doing why etc.... or when... I didnt ever hate the man though on or off the ice.... Just not sure we can keep the money and continue. I have faith in management period. 100% on their decisions have said this plenty... Love you cally hope the best for you, you're family and career moving forward no matter what. You were part of the change you have done sooo much on work ethic and love of the game for these young men living life correctly etc.. THANK YOU11111111111111

 

[DFC]

Holy **** Coop is getting smarter.

It was Bowness and Thomas all along! :p

All kidding aside, Jeff Halpern seems to have brought a lot of common sense to the table. And this means Matthieu Joseph will get his reps before the playoffs.

The only downside is this probably means we're looking at a buyout. It might sink his value to the point that trading him just isn't a better option.

 

[Leonardo87]

warning might be LONG.... I respect the HELL out of the man as a man what he has done for tampa for bringing others how really he is such a stand up guy and should be the type ALL people look at to see how maybe to carry yourself in this hard world. Yesterday wrote a bit on him cause he is auctioning off a photo through his foundation with tickets and signed by the players including stamkos I think on march 3rd. I am a NOBODY but MR. Callahan instantly answered my questions. He is a busy man to do that shows his integrity and who he is. I honestly put him with VINNY as the biggest influencer on the lightning ive gotten the pleasure of watching and seeing live their lives in the public eye..... My hats off to this man. I would hope he wants full time work and wants to be moved if this is the case. I WANT joseph in but I was fine with a bit of a rotation giving a vet like cally time off at times. I think in right situation he is a very good player for another team. I will live with his decision be hard to leave here he has soo much respect from his team mates for all he has done and how he conducts himself. Its a numbers game with a salary cap like the vinny situation is plain and simple is sad to me. I remember the days of detroit when could run up 125 million lol.... I liked that haha... I get todays nhl and can be brutal. I do not feel he is a liability in any way shape or form and its 100% on his contract honestly and age... He can still be a second line player on a ton of teams imho... So hope he makes the choice for him that works for him. Will I say he has to go at some point? Only if we are upgrading to a superstar to take his place....I love our team I love our guys I love cally for the person he is and what he has done.... Class act period... sad day to me honestly and many have seen me post things about what lightning are doing why etc.... or when... I didnt ever hate the man though on or off the ice.... Just not sure we can keep the money and continue. I have faith in management period. 100% on their decisions have said this plenty... Love you cally hope the best for you, you're family and career moving forward no matter what. You were part of the change you have done sooo much on work ethic and love of the game for these young men living life correctly etc.. THANK YOU11111111111111

Saw this coming, it’s all good. I still think he can find another team and get a bigger role. His production has been much better as of late and still very good on the PK, and brings that leadership and grit, just not at 5.8 million. Tampa’s depth has did him in with all these young guys coming up. His cap hit has given him so much undeserved hate, but it is what it is.

 

[DFC]

[MOD]

Anyway, Callahan doesn't have the legacy here that he had in NY, so you're expecting some kind of loyalty that's not there. He's a guy who had one good year here, got hurt a bunch of times, and then got passed over by young players, all while collecting millions of dollars for his trouble. Teddy Purcell has a bigger legacy in TB than Callahan, and we were very happy to see him go. It's just what it is.

 

[Leonardo87]

[MOD]

Anyway, Callahan doesn't have the legacy here that he had in NY, so you're expecting some kind of loyalty that's not there. He's a guy who had one good year here, got hurt a bunch of times, and then got passed over by young players, all while collecting millions of dollars for his trouble. Teddy Purcell has a bigger legacy in TB than Callahan, and we were very happy to see him go. It's just what it is.

You make it sound like Callahan wanted to get hurt, and do nothing while collecting a paycheck. He has been here for 5 years, and you still don;t know the player.

 

[DFC]

You make it sound like Callahan wanted to get hurt, and do nothing while collecting a paycheck. He has been here for 5 years, and you still don;t know the player.

The fact that you got that from what I wrote is just more evidence that you're too involved with this player. Nobody thinks Callahan "wanted" to get hurt, or that it's his fault he got hurt. The guy has like 100 career points with the Lightning in five years. So while you think of him as this hero among hockey players, most of us see him as a good guy, like Stamkos is a good guy (and he sure took his share of criticism when he played poorly), who's contributed to the team significantly less than the likes of Alex Killorn, Teddy Purcell, and on and on.

Callahan is like one step ahead of Sami Salo in terms of Lightning lore.

 

[LightningStrikes]

Had to delete / edit a bunch of posts...

Let's keep this thread on topic which is the player Ryan Callahan and refrain from attacking other posters.

 

[LightningStrikes]

Holy **** Coop is getting smarter.

I think Coop has learned a lot from the Brenden Morrow fiasco. Just because a player is a well-liked veteran who has put up respectable numbers several seasons ago doesn't justify a roster spot over other players who fit their role and/or the team's needs better. "We need a goal? Brenden, you with your 3 goals and 5 assists in 70 games this season, take that shift, Drouin sit down!" - this will never happen again to Cooper.

Man. I feel for the dude. He would have been well worth it if he kept his first season production, but everyone knew that contract was bad when it was given to him.

Not his fault that he got offered too much, but it's gotta hurt for a vet to get that talk.

It's best for the team, though. He's just not worth keeping guys like Joseph off the ice.

I agree. He signed that contract as a gritty top-6 two-way forward putting up 20 goals and 50 points. Things have changed drastically. Not only did he suffer from an endless string of injuries which in turn took its toll on his production and performance, but the team got a lot deeper and a lot better in the meantime.

Again, that's not saying Callahan is useless or worthless and he might play a role in the playoffs when the game gets more physical and there's less space and speed.
But in this final stretch of the regular season we need speedy, energizing guys like Joseph or Erne in the lineup. We don't lose because we didn't block enough shots, we lose when our bottom-6 is not dangerous or dictating the pace, let alone the secondary scoring disappears.

 

[Hoek]

I mean, all of this was quite obvious the way the season has gone, so it's funny that it's exploded just because an article was written about it. I hope we can win a cup with him regardless. He was critical in helping us get over trading Marty with that first solid season, and has done what was asked of him and shown a great attitude through everything.

 

[The Macho King]

I mean, all of this was quite obvious the way the season has gone, so it's funny that it's exploded just because an article was written about it. I hope we can win a cup with him regardless. He was critical in helping us get over trading Marty with that first solid season, and has done what was asked of him and shown a great attitude through everything.

Eh it's a bit different. We aren't doing the rotation with forwards now. That's pretty significant.

Man all of those contracts for late 20s power forwards have aged poorly. Callahan, Lucic, Backes, Ladd, Brown... yikes.

 

[HoseEmDown]

I get the move but also don't get the move either. It's obvious this is Callahan's last year, we all knew this before Point broke out even more. But the guy is still useful and if he can produce he might gain some value unless they want to buy him out and don't want to get him out. He's got 7 points in his last 5 games. Paquette has 1 in his past 18 while Erne hasn't scored in 13. Miller has 3 in his last 14. We need more production from the 4th line.

I'm not saying we should be trading 1sts and prospects for Simmonds or Ferland but we could use a shakeup down there and scratching Callahan doesn't seem like it. If he goes cold then yes but he's not while the others are, we need to play who's hot. We could be in line for an entire new 4th line come next year as Paquette and Erne aren't really screaming for raises. We could trade their RFA rights and go with a Volkov - Verheaghe - Stephens line. A cheap line with hungry kids ready to prove something.

 

[LightningStrikes]

Eh it's a bit different. We aren't doing the rotation with forwards now. That's pretty significant.

Man all of those contracts for late 20s power forwards have aged poorly. Callahan, Lucic, Backes, Ladd, Brown... yikes.

Mike Richards too. Hell, might even add James Neal to that list.

 

[Leonardo87]

I agree with @HoseEmDown , he was producing, making some nice plays in his limited ice time, has been one of the better producing forwards as of late in that bottom 6, and has been very strong defensively as well. If it’s a speed thing, don’t see it as a major concern if he is doing everything else. If he is not producing and/or is a liability then he sits.

 

[Leonardo87]

warning might be LONG.... I respect the HELL out of the man as a man what he has done for tampa for bringing others how really he is such a stand up guy and should be the type ALL people look at to see how maybe to carry yourself in this hard world. Yesterday wrote a bit on him cause he is auctioning off a photo through his foundation with tickets and signed by the players including stamkos I think on march 3rd. I am a NOBODY but MR. Callahan instantly answered my questions. He is a busy man to do that shows his integrity and who he is. I honestly put him with VINNY as the biggest influencer on the lightning ive gotten the pleasure of watching and seeing live their lives in the public eye..... My hats off to this man. I would hope he wants full time work and wants to be moved if this is the case. I WANT joseph in but I was fine with a bit of a rotation giving a vet like cally time off at times. I think in right situation he is a very good player for another team. I will live with his decision be hard to leave here he has soo much respect from his team mates for all he has done and how he conducts himself. Its a numbers game with a salary cap like the vinny situation is plain and simple is sad to me. I remember the days of detroit when could run up 125 million lol.... I liked that haha... I get todays nhl and can be brutal. I do not feel he is a liability in any way shape or form and its 100% on his contract honestly and age... He can still be a second line player on a ton of teams imho... So hope he makes the choice for him that works for him. Will I say he has to go at some point? Only if we are upgrading to a superstar to take his place....I love our team I love our guys I love cally for the person he is and what he has done.... Class act period... sad day to me honestly and many have seen me post things about what lightning are doing why etc.... or when... I didnt ever hate the man though on or off the ice.... Just not sure we can keep the money and continue. I have faith in management period. 100% on their decisions have said this plenty... Love you cally hope the best for you, you're family and career moving forward no matter what. You were part of the change you have done sooo much on work ethic and love of the game for these young men living life correctly etc.. THANK YOU11111111111111

Sorry man, some posts got removed by accident but yeah he is a class act guy. But if Tampa needs to move on from him so be it.

 

[CupsOverCash]

I love Cally but we need to see what these young kids can do with more regular playing time and Cally could use the rest. If we want to have Cally be Cally when it matters most, its smarter to give him a rest.

 

[The Macho King]

I love Cally but we need to see what these young kids can do with more regular playing time and Cally could use the rest. If we want to have Cally be Cally when it matters most, its smarter to give him a rest.

He's our 13th forward. It isn't about "rest" at this point. It's about him not being one of our 12 best skaters.

Our PK last night went what, 4/4? Including about 2.5 minutes of 4 on 3 time? Factoring that in - what role is he filling? Our PK is fine without him. Our fourth line is better without him.

This isn't about getting him rested. It's about playing our best 12 forwards.

 

[CupsOverCash]

He's our 13th forward. It isn't about "rest" at this point. It's about him not being one of our 12 best skaters.

Our PK last night went what, 4/4? Including about 2.5 minutes of 4 on 3 time? Factoring that in - what role is he filling? Our PK is fine without him. Our fourth line is better without him.

This isn't about getting him rested. It's about playing our best 12 forwards.

He's also our depth in case one of them goes down. I would rather him "rest" and be fresh in case we need him in the playoffs. I wouldnt be surprised if he plays during the playoffs.

 

[The Macho King]

He's also our depth in case one of them goes down. I would rather him "rest" and be fresh in case we need him in the playoffs. I wouldnt be surprised if he plays during the playoffs.

If he plays during the playoffs and it isn't filling in for an injury, I'm right back on the Fire Cooper train.