Fantomas
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Pulkkinen was 21 going on 22 when he first did anything in the AHL.
RW Eeli Tolvanen (2017, 30th, NSH) Part III
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Pulkkinen was 21 going on 22 when he first did anything in the AHL.
Fazkovsky
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He is 19 years old and we label him a bust because he isnt producing a lot in the AHL
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It's not like his production is terrible either. He's better than Kapanen at same age.
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TheGoldenJet
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He was always overrated.
Yes, he has a shot at the NHL, but I don't expect him to be a star player.
Yes, he has a shot at the NHL, but I don't expect him to be a star player.
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This thread is a joke
You basically need to be 20 to play in the ahl. There is an exception for euro players
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Anyone got NHLe numbers from last year? Anyway, I wasn't making a deep point, just saying that there's an objective way to settle the pissing contest (that I don't care about).
Tolvanen is doing fine in the AHL, better then fine actually. His production is solidly above 0.5 PPG and his shot generation is above 2 SOG/GP.
Given the quality of his shot he's just unlucky so far, with "normal" results he'd be at 6-7 goals by now because he should easily be a 15% shooter in AHL.
Given the quality of his shot he's just unlucky so far, with "normal" results he'd be at 6-7 goals by now because he should easily be a 15% shooter in AHL.
One of the problem here, as it often is the case, is that the conversation becomes "where and how player x performs VS the hype".
That is fundamentally wrong. Who cares about the hype, especially when a lot of it is based off here, even though some experts consistently had him in the top 20 prospects.
I mean who cares because beside the surefire McDavid, Matthews and so on, the expectations vary widely from person to person. It is just projections that also gets mixed up with hyperboles and "our prospect is better than yours".
Point is that objectively speaking, he performs relatively well considering the circumstances, in my personal opinion, because of my personal projections. Still a fine prospect by any measure, but some get stuck with the usual "but he was hyped as the next big thing" and "underperforms" in that context.
I thought, after watching him quite a bit, that he could become a top 6 winger in the NHL. I am therefore satisfied (got to be a better word) with how he performs now. If you thought, or base your opinion on the hype that some created, that he would be a surefire top 5 winger in the league, then yes, you could say that he is a underwhelming ATM.
Perspectives, I believe.
That is fundamentally wrong. Who cares about the hype, especially when a lot of it is based off here, even though some experts consistently had him in the top 20 prospects.
I mean who cares because beside the surefire McDavid, Matthews and so on, the expectations vary widely from person to person. It is just projections that also gets mixed up with hyperboles and "our prospect is better than yours".
Point is that objectively speaking, he performs relatively well considering the circumstances, in my personal opinion, because of my personal projections. Still a fine prospect by any measure, but some get stuck with the usual "but he was hyped as the next big thing" and "underperforms" in that context.
I thought, after watching him quite a bit, that he could become a top 6 winger in the NHL. I am therefore satisfied (got to be a better word) with how he performs now. If you thought, or base your opinion on the hype that some created, that he would be a surefire top 5 winger in the league, then yes, you could say that he is a underwhelming ATM.
Perspectives, I believe.
Not sure why some are surprised people here write of guys who play in the AHL. I mean we had experts saying Rantanen is nothing special when he was tearing it up in the A because he couldn't hack it in the NHL right away.
It's the stupid debate about KHL rookie of the year that hyped it up. Suddenly people were expecting a 18y.o. to be god in the NHL right away. Now they are naturally disappointed.
IRL nothing to see here. He develops.
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Jussi
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Let's see what happen s to them when they go to NHL. If they don't, then bringing those names up is useless.
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Are you really trying to argue Liiga is any good in 2018?
Other than Tappara and Karpat it's a shadow of a former self and probably closer in quality to DEL than SHL/KHL.
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Are you really trying to argue Liiga is any good in 2018?
I'm just pointing out the that top scorer in Liiga last season is now scoring in the NHL as well, not in the AHL.
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Damn. I think fans of every other team around the world are more concerned about Tolvanen than Nashville fans are 
When the H/Joly War of league comparisons based on the performance of one player ensues nobody who cares about Nasville?Damn. I think fans of every other team around the world are more concerned about Tolvanen than Nashville fans are
Stromwall lasted a season in Hartford as a 4th liner, was bought out after his 2nd camp. Budish yo-yo’d Between bottom 6 AHL and top 6 ECHL.
That was my point: Liiga players in their prime aren’t very good, good Finnish players aren’t in the Liiga in their prime.
You’ll notice in the original post I specifically mentioned Liiga players in their prime.
