Russian taunts ignite Canucks

[tml_4ever]

Let's try this instead. If we were hard on Canadians for just some stereotype that is extremely arguable, that would be unacceptable, but look at some of them:

Lindros - Refused to wear the jersey of the team who drafted him, is as dumb as a doorknob, acted often like a spoiled brat, mama's boy had parents intervene at every turn, never won, anything, etc.

Joe Sakic - Leadership completely overblown. Also signed an offer sheet to the Rangers just like Fedorov with Carolina, forcing the Avs' hands. Money is all that matter to him. At least that's what appears to be the case.

Alexandre Daigle - Hot dogger, cocky to an extreme rarely seen, quickly signed for as much as he could and then successfully invaded his own ass with both thumbs after dipping them in crazy glue.

Pierre Dagenais - Does he know the word effort and consistency. Better yet, has he ever tried to actually wear man's underwear or does he enjoy actually being an oversized pansy?

Theoren Fleury - When this guy can spend 6 months of his life without disgracing himself or the game of hockey, it's usually an achievement similar to scoring 50 goals in a season. Substance abuse, missing team meetings, criticizing coaches, attacks on mascots, cheap shots, obscene gestures at crowds that put back into context a teenager showing his name on the back of a jersey.

Mike Ribeiro - OMG! Someone call the police, this guy had a nose ring at one time! This is unconscionable, I say! Also cocky, somewhat undisciplined. Faked an injury on the ice. How dare he? Only Russians dive or fake in this league!

Mario Lemieux - Was extremely unhappy at draft time, wanted to dictate where he would go and Pittsburgh wasn't something he wanted.

Dale Hunter, Todd Bertuzzi, Marty McSorley - just a few of countless names who have at one point almost killed someone going above the rules of hockey.

Chris Gratton - Big on talent, but almost completely uninterested in hockey. Shows up just to keep cashing his checks. Frequently rumored as a guy who might not even bother coming back.

Ed Belfour - Cocky, rotten attitude, overly agressive drunk. But I will remove his name from this illustrious list if he ives me a billion dollar.

Patrick Roy - Cocky to an extreme rarely seen. Was a prima donna in his prime, disturbed locker rooms often. Was at odds with several coaches. Laughed at them, threw TVs around. Winked at players on ice, taunted them after saves, made his best impression of the statue of liberty. Was implicated in a domestic violence incident. Demanded to be traded during a game.

Mike Ricci - If his name was Mike Alfredsson, would be constantly abused for his outrageous hair by numbnuts. Instead, praised as a good Ontarian character guy.

Trevor Kidd -Flashy equipment, flashy appearance, lots of ego. Was one of the first players I know to have a well advertised website to keep people updated on when he would next warm a bench or start a game to **** up 2 points for his team. Big time underachiever, whiner and attention getter.

Mike Danton - This proud Ontarian decided trying to hack at someone with a hockey stick to kill them McSorley-style wasn't sophisticated enough. Why not hire a hitman instead? Several screws loose, changed his name, his a locker room headache and overall, a complete ****head.

Bobby Clarke - When you can't be better than them, break their ankles. Also, don't forget that he didn't tell Neilson to go and get cancer. Neilson got this cancer all on his own, that traitor!

Jason Spezza - Almost as flashy as Kovalchuk. Tries to beat NHLers with junior moves. Was caught trying to make his way in a casino with fake ideas.

Craig MacTavish - Got drunk and killed someone. Now as a coach, he and his brave Oilers have to live with the taunts of horrible russians like Kovalchuk who takes him to school by scoring a goal after getting an illegal stick penalty. When he is not drinking and driving, MacT enjoys long walk on the beach and assaulting the Flames mascot.

We can safely conclude, if we are Pejorative Slured enough, that all Canadians are bums, wimps, lazy asses who only think of money, bribes and rubbing it in to their opponents.

Amen to that!

 

[Strizzi]

Let's try this instead. If we were hard on Canadians for just some stereotype that is extremely arguable, that would be unacceptable, but look at some of them:

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We can safely conclude, if we are Pejorative Slured enough, that all Canadians are bums, wimps, lazy asses who only think of money, bribes and rubbing it in to their opponents.

This post should be stickied as some sort of introduction to all stupid stereotype discussion threads. Well said Vlad!

 

[Ismellofhockey]

Let's try this instead. If we were hard on Canadians for just some stereotype that is extremely arguable, that would be unacceptable, but look at some of them:

Lindros - Refused to wear the jersey of the team who drafted him, is as dumb as a doorknob, acted often like a spoiled brat, mama's boy had parents intervene at every turn, never won, anything, etc.

Joe Sakic - Leadership completely overblown. Also signed an offer sheet to the Rangers just like Fedorov with Carolina, forcing the Avs' hands. Money is all that matter to him. At least that's what appears to be the case.

Alexandre Daigle - Hot dogger, cocky to an extreme rarely seen, quickly signed for as much as he could and then successfully invaded his own ass with both thumbs after dipping them in crazy glue.

Pierre Dagenais - Does he know the word effort and consistency. Better yet, has he ever tried to actually wear man's underwear or does he enjoy actually being an oversized pansy?

Theoren Fleury - When this guy can spend 6 months of his life without disgracing himself or the game of hockey, it's usually an achievement similar to scoring 50 goals in a season. Substance abuse, missing team meetings, criticizing coaches, attacks on mascots, cheap shots, obscene gestures at crowds that put back into context a teenager showing his name on the back of a jersey.

Mike Ribeiro - OMG! Someone call the police, this guy had a nose ring at one time! This is unconscionable, I say! Also cocky, somewhat undisciplined. Faked an injury on the ice. How dare he? Only Russians dive or fake in this league!

Mario Lemieux - Was extremely unhappy at draft time, wanted to dictate where he would go and Pittsburgh wasn't something he wanted.

Dale Hunter, Todd Bertuzzi, Marty McSorley - just a few of countless names who have at one point almost killed someone going above the rules of hockey.

Chris Gratton - Big on talent, but almost completely uninterested in hockey. Shows up just to keep cashing his checks. Frequently rumored as a guy who might not even bother coming back.

Ed Belfour - Cocky, rotten attitude, overly agressive drunk. But I will remove his name from this illustrious list if he ives me a billion dollar.

Patrick Roy - Cocky to an extreme rarely seen. Was a prima donna in his prime, disturbed locker rooms often. Was at odds with several coaches. Laughed at them, threw TVs around. Winked at players on ice, taunted them after saves, made his best impression of the statue of liberty. Was implicated in a domestic violence incident. Demanded to be traded during a game.

Mike Ricci - If his name was Mike Alfredsson, would be constantly abused for his outrageous hair by numbnuts. Instead, praised as a good Ontarian character guy.

Trevor Kidd -Flashy equipment, flashy appearance, lots of ego. Was one of the first players I know to have a well advertised website to keep people updated on when he would next warm a bench or start a game to **** up 2 points for his team. Big time underachiever, whiner and attention getter.

Mike Danton - This proud Ontarian decided trying to hack at someone with a hockey stick to kill them McSorley-style wasn't sophisticated enough. Why not hire a hitman instead? Several screws loose, changed his name, his a locker room headache and overall, a complete ****head.

Bobby Clarke - When you can't be better than them, break their ankles. Also, don't forget that he didn't tell Neilson to go and get cancer. Neilson got this cancer all on his own, that traitor!

Jason Spezza - Almost as flashy as Kovalchuk. Tries to beat NHLers with junior moves. Was caught trying to make his way in a casino with fake ideas.

Craig MacTavish - Got drunk and killed someone. Now as a coach, he and his brave Oilers have to live with the taunts of horrible russians like Kovalchuk who takes him to school by scoring a goal after getting an illegal stick penalty. When he is not drinking and driving, MacT enjoys long walk on the beach and assaulting the Flames mascot.

We can safely conclude, if we are Pejorative Slured enough, that all Canadians are bums, wimps, lazy asses who only think of money, bribes and rubbing it in to their opponents.

:lol My, what heroes we hockey fans have.

 

[mackdogs*]

Craig MacTavish - Got drunk and killed someone. Now as a coach, he and his brave Oilers have to live with the taunts of horrible russians like Kovalchuk who takes him to school by scoring a goal after getting an illegal stick penalty. When he is not drinking and driving, MacT enjoys long walk on the beach and assaulting the Flames mascot.

Thanks for saving the best for last. I had a few drops left but now have completely soiled myself!! :lol

 

[Mountain Dude]

Foreigners ah????

How about 600 thousand Russians just in greater Toronto. One million around Canada, and almost 3 million Canadians of Ukranian descent. When Ukranians were immigrating to Canada, country of Ukraine was not even in the world's plans and they used to call themselves russinians or ruthenians. Russia is a greek name for the country and was adopted by Peter the great in 17 century, before Russians used to call themselves russenians or russy, rusaki. You get the drift. There is a mind-boggling number of RUS descent in Canada. RUS people helped to build this country from scratch and we do not want to hear Don's rants against our values and. He insults us as Canadians, or you still like to call as foreigners?????? You body, one more racist as well then.

His takes on Russia during winter olympics were just too rusophobic. CBC recieved numerous complaints and the guy is still there. How come?

One more thing. Director of CBC is of RUS descent as well. That's what I do not understand. The guy is just a sell out for money.

People like to watch him, thats why he's still on.

 

[Mountain Dude]

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Some of those are justified, I don't think Sakics or Lemiuexs was justified. And Spezza trying to beat guys with dekes, I don't think thats really unclassy, I think you were just running out of things to say. The same with Ricci, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say there.

Also, guys like Theoren Fluery will be the first to say that they've got problems.

And the main difference between these guys and the Russian guys, is whether or not they've got their problems, or they just play for money, they really do play, in the playoffs, through injuries, etc.

 

[f1nn]

Some of those are justified, I don't think Sakics or Lemiuexs was justified. And Spezza trying to beat guys with dekes, I don't think thats really unclassy, I think you were just running out of things to say. The same with Ricci, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say there.

Also, guys like Theoren Fluery will be the first to say that they've got problems.

And the main difference between these guys and the Russian guys, is whether or not they've got their problems, or they just play for money, they really do play, in the playoffs, through injuries, etc.

Oh of course! it's not like any Russian could be as classy or have as much heart as a canadian, geez that would be crazy

 

[Mountain Dude]

Oh of course! it's not like any Russian could be as classy or have as much heart as a canadian, geez that would be crazy

If you say so.

 

[Epsilon]

And the main difference between these guys and the Russian guys, is whether or not they've got their problems, or they just play for money, they really do play, in the playoffs, through injuries, etc.

How many active Canadian players perform better in the playoffs than Sergei Fedorov? You can count the number on one hand, and it's arguable that you don't even need that many.

 

[octopi]

This post should be stickied as some sort of introduction to all stupid stereotype discussion threads. Well said Vlad!

Agreed. Sticky it up here so we can all refer to it. Thank god, finally a voice of reason. I forgot to mention guys like Doug Gilmour(accused of indiscretions with a minor), John Kordic ,Grant Fuhr (drugs, alcohol)and Bob Probert(drugs, alcohol, arrest warrent) as other examples of proud Canadiana. Steve Chiasson- death from DUI. Sheldon Kennedy, drug and alcohol problems as well. I could probably think up more people with problems, but I think human frailty has been ragged on enough. I'm a Canadian myself, but I have just now wondered why theres more complaining about Russians than Americans? Its not like Americans are the class acts of hockey either.

 

[Haute Couture]

Foreigners ah????

How about 600 thousand Russians just in greater Toronto. One million around Canada, and almost 3 million Canadians of Ukranian descent. When Ukranians were immigrating to Canada, country of Ukraine was not even in the world's plans and they used to call themselves russinians or ruthenians. Russia is a greek name for the country and was adopted by Peter the great in 17 century, before Russians used to call themselves russenians or russy, rusaki. You get the drift. There is a mind-boggling number of RUS descent in Canada. RUS people helped to build this country from scratch and we do not want to hear Don's rants against our values and. He insults us as Canadians, or you still like to call as foreigners?????? You body, one more racist as well then.

His takes on Russia during winter olympics were just too rusophobic. CBC recieved numerous complaints and the guy is still there. How come?

One more thing. Director of CBC is of RUS descent as well. That's what I do not understand. The guy is just a sell out for money.

Not only Russians or Ukrainians - Belorussians, too. That's where Gretzky gets his cool last name from =).

 

[Youreallygotme]

Let's try this instead. If we were hard on Canadians for just some stereotype that is extremely arguable, that would be unacceptable, but look at some of them:

Lindros - Refused to wear the jersey of the team who drafted him, is as dumb as a doorknob, acted often like a spoiled brat, mama's boy had parents intervene at every turn, never won, anything, etc.

Joe Sakic - Leadership completely overblown. Also signed an offer sheet to the Rangers just like Fedorov with Carolina, forcing the Avs' hands. Money is all that matter to him. At least that's what appears to be the case.

Alexandre Daigle - Hot dogger, cocky to an extreme rarely seen, quickly signed for as much as he could and then successfully invaded his own ass with both thumbs after dipping them in crazy glue.

Pierre Dagenais - Does he know the word effort and consistency. Better yet, has he ever tried to actually wear man's underwear or does he enjoy actually being an oversized pansy?

Theoren Fleury - When this guy can spend 6 months of his life without disgracing himself or the game of hockey, it's usually an achievement similar to scoring 50 goals in a season. Substance abuse, missing team meetings, criticizing coaches, attacks on mascots, cheap shots, obscene gestures at crowds that put back into context a teenager showing his name on the back of a jersey.

Mike Ribeiro - OMG! Someone call the police, this guy had a nose ring at one time! This is unconscionable, I say! Also cocky, somewhat undisciplined. Faked an injury on the ice. How dare he? Only Russians dive or fake in this league!

Mario Lemieux - Was extremely unhappy at draft time, wanted to dictate where he would go and Pittsburgh wasn't something he wanted.

Dale Hunter, Todd Bertuzzi, Marty McSorley - just a few of countless names who have at one point almost killed someone going above the rules of hockey.

Chris Gratton - Big on talent, but almost completely uninterested in hockey. Shows up just to keep cashing his checks. Frequently rumored as a guy who might not even bother coming back.

Ed Belfour - Cocky, rotten attitude, overly agressive drunk. But I will remove his name from this illustrious list if he ives me a billion dollar.

Patrick Roy - Cocky to an extreme rarely seen. Was a prima donna in his prime, disturbed locker rooms often. Was at odds with several coaches. Laughed at them, threw TVs around. Winked at players on ice, taunted them after saves, made his best impression of the statue of liberty. Was implicated in a domestic violence incident. Demanded to be traded during a game.

Mike Ricci - If his name was Mike Alfredsson, would be constantly abused for his outrageous hair by numbnuts. Instead, praised as a good Ontarian character guy.

Trevor Kidd -Flashy equipment, flashy appearance, lots of ego. Was one of the first players I know to have a well advertised website to keep people updated on when he would next warm a bench or start a game to **** up 2 points for his team. Big time underachiever, whiner and attention getter.

Mike Danton - This proud Ontarian decided trying to hack at someone with a hockey stick to kill them McSorley-style wasn't sophisticated enough. Why not hire a hitman instead? Several screws loose, changed his name, his a locker room headache and overall, a complete ****head.

Bobby Clarke - When you can't be better than them, break their ankles. Also, don't forget that he didn't tell Neilson to go and get cancer. Neilson got this cancer all on his own, that traitor!

Jason Spezza - Almost as flashy as Kovalchuk. Tries to beat NHLers with junior moves. Was caught trying to make his way in a casino with fake ideas.

Craig MacTavish - Got drunk and killed someone. Now as a coach, he and his brave Oilers have to live with the taunts of horrible russians like Kovalchuk who takes him to school by scoring a goal after getting an illegal stick penalty. When he is not drinking and driving, MacT enjoys long walk on the beach and assaulting the Flames mascot.

We can safely conclude, if we are Pejorative Slured enough, that all Canadians are bums, wimps, lazy asses who only think of money, bribes and rubbing it in to their opponents.

:lol

Hey just remember I'm pointing out Cherry's point of view, not my own. I cant say I disagree with any of those things.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Some of those are justified, I don't think Sakics or Lemiuexs was justified.

Well, just so we can be clear, I don't want to condemn every hockey player I cited. I'm more interested in citing controversial events to put back in perspective what evil russians do according to some, how they are supposed to a sort of problem.

The Sakic one is like a mirror image of Fedorov. I'm not saying what Sakic did is necessarly bad. I'm saying what Sergei Fedorov is doing is not much different from what other hockey players can do, whether they are Canadians, Americans, Swedish, etc.

Mario Lemieux's stance at the start of his career was fairly arrogant. I've seen other players cndemn for less.

And Spezza trying to beat guys with dekes, I don't think thats really unclassy,

I don't think it's unclassy either for what it's worth. But I do think sometimes people seem to suggest only Russians like Kovalchuk and Ovechkin go end to end on a play.

I think you were just running out of things to say.

There's mopre where that came from. I could go at it all night. How about Mike Comrie? This proud Canadian, or more accurately Edmontonian, decided to piss off his hometown, demand a lot of money, than eventually refused to sign or talk to Oiler management.

Stephane Richer. Enigmatic winger all his life, pretty much what people envision as the stereotypical Russian, I guess. A few years ago, he decided to make a comeback. He went to training camp in Washington and about a week later decided it just wasn't for him. **** it, let's just go home.

Darcy Tucker. Successfully pissed off everyone in Tampa until he got traded. Told so much **** to his teammates it must have been a relief when he left. Has a rather unstable personality.

I could talk about Shayne Corson, who quit on his team and has been a locker room cancer many times in his NHL career since his first Habs days.

How about the fact most of the major players who are NHL representative are Canadians? Think only Russians think about money? Go take a look at Vinny Damphousse and Trevor Linden. The latter was a warrior the first few years and then decided he was better off just floating around from team to team and "fight for the oppressed" players.

Sergei Fedorov as sometimes been labelled a contract year player. It's been true at times but the same can be said of Canadians like Owen Nolan, who magically overachieves when his contract is up and then goes back to pouting and skating around.

How about Paul Kariya's wonderful attitude? Got overpaid big time by Anaheim, never won anything for them. Said he wanted to stay there, which was obviously a lie. He asks for faraminous numbers when it's just senseless and when Anaheim refuses to qualify him, he thanks the city by bolting from there, leaving a team who just went to the SCF signing a bargain contract trying to buy himself a cup Ray Bourque-style and joining back with his girlfriend Teemu. Glad it failed.

Want to talk about hockey celebrations? The know-it-all mouthbreathers around here like to think goal celebration have no place in hockey and that it was better in the old times. They like to think of the 70s and 80s as class and seem to forget the long hair, the sideburns, the funny suits, the smoking, the drinking, the swearing and yes, the celebrating by Canadians. Here's just a sample of what hockey was like back then but I assure you, it was absolutely widespread.

http://www.espn.go.com/nhl/best/110701.html

You wanna imagine what people would say if it was Kovalchuk instead of a Canadian Tiger Williams doing this? They'd say he is a disrespectful russian. People are having a heart attack and blaming Russian culture when a Khavanov throws his gloves in the air after his first NHL goal but they forget all the **** that's going on.

Take a look at Foligno, who always jumped up and down after every goal. Williams. Those guys are Canadians and were doing it pretty much game after game.

When I talked about Patrick Roy I forgot to mention how he threw his stick at a player after the guy scored on him on a penalty shot. I bet you a hundred buck if this was something that had happened at the WJC by Khubodin, people would say how Russian hockey is absolutely sick.

If a Russian player pulls a couple of hair to bring back a wuss like Comrie and pound on him, he is girly. But when Jordin Tootoo, a dirty little snott, ****ing bites another player, he's an "intense character guy".

I can go on all day.

You're fooling yourself if you think I or anyone who knows this game could ever run out of example. And I have friends with much better memory. I'll have to ask for some more stuff

The same with Ricci, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say there.

I'm trying to say that there is somewhat of a double standard for Europeans like Alfredsson, who gets ridiculed for his hair regularly while Ricci gets a pass.

Also, guys like Theoren Fluery will be the first to say that they've got problems.

So what? He's still a timebomb and continues even to this day to whine, ***** and moan.

And the main difference between these guys and the Russian guys, is whether or not they've got their problems, or they just play for money, they really do play, in the playoffs, through injuries, etc.

I'm not sure what you mean. If you somehow think there is a Canadian gene where they somehow play harder than Russians, I think you need help. I don't believe that a minute. For every big, talented, underachieving pansy like Viktor Kozlov, there is a copycat like Chris Gratton. The difference is, when Pejorative Slured hockey fans rationalize it, they say it's "because Viktor Kozlov is Russian" and "it's because Chris Gratton is Chris Gratton".

 

[rnyquist]

Not only Russians or Ukrainians - Belorussians, too. That's where Gretzky gets his cool last name from =).

Actually Gretzky is Polish, but if you want to quibble

 

[Mountain Dude]

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I agree with just about everything you just said. Except for the Ricci thing, because I make fun of him waaaaay more than I do of Alfredsson.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Pierre Dagenais - Does he know the word effort and consistency. Better yet, has he ever tried to actually wear man's underwear or does he enjoy actually being an oversized pansy?

Mike Ricci - If his name was Mike Alfredsson, would be constantly abused for his outrageous hair by numbnuts. Instead, praised as a good Ontarian character guy.

Craig MacTavish - Got drunk and killed someone. Now as a coach, he and his brave Oilers have to live with the taunts of horrible russians like Kovalchuk who takes him to school by scoring a goal after getting an illegal stick penalty. When he is not drinking and driving, MacT enjoys long walk on the beach and assaulting the Flames mascot.

:lol

 

[Canuck21t]

Foreigners ah????

How about 600 thousand Russians just in greater Toronto. One million around Canada, and almost 3 million Canadians of Ukranian descent. When Ukranians were immigrating to Canada, country of Ukraine was not even in the world's plans and they used to call themselves russinians or ruthenians. Russia is a greek name for the country and was adopted by Peter the great in 17 century, before Russians used to call themselves russenians or russy, rusaki. You get the drift. There is a mind-boggling number of RUS descent in Canada. RUS people helped to build this country from scratch and we do not want to hear Don's rants against our values and. He insults us as Canadians, or you still like to call as foreigners?????? You body, one more racist as well then.

His takes on Russia during winter olympics were just too rusophobic. CBC recieved numerous complaints and the guy is still there. How come?

One more thing. Director of CBC is of RUS descent as well. That's what I do not understand. The guy is just a sell out for money.

Yes foreigners, those who don't live in Canada and who don't have Canadian nationality like TORRUS and many other Russian fans here. I can understand Quebecers and Canadians with Russian, Swedish, etc. ancestry hating Grapes. You must think I'm a redneck with a last name like Smith but nope, I'm almost as foreign as TORRUS except I live in Canada and I am Canadian. It just annoys me when non-Canadians complain about our media when they know darn too well that their media can be as biased. It's easy for Russians (or Swedes, Finns, etc.) to point their finger at our media because ours is in English, the international language, but who know what goes on in their backyard? I live in Quebec and I find many French sport commentators as bigoted as Don Cherry only they are more subtle and use politically correct comments in between their bigoted comments but they are not fooling me. I'm pretty sure the same thing can be said about other countries' media.

BTW, you can't call Grapes (or I) a racist, he doesn't care if you have Russian, Ukranian or Belorussian blood. He doesn't have anything against the likes of Gretzky, Andreychuk or Domi. What he is is a bigot.

 

[triggrman]

BTW, you can't call Grapes (or I) a racist, he doesn't care if you have Russian, Ukranian or Belorussian blood. He doesn't have anything against the likes of Gretzky, Andreychuk or Domi. What he is is a bigot.

bigot - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ

racist - The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

race - A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

a bigot boast about his own group

a racist degrades someone elses

 

[TORRUS]

I live in Quebec and I find many French sport commentators as bigoted as Don Cherry only they are more subtle and use politically correct comments in between their bigoted comments but they are not fooling me.

Exactly! But that makes it a big difference between Don cherry and your French sport commentators. Don Cherry doesn't use subtle and politically correct comments! Your local commentators can afford that to themselves, but when you are commentating on a national level you cannot! Especially in a country that is so divided (Quebec and the rest of Canada)! He is not realistic, he has mulitple standards and that is wrong. As I heard, he spoke bad on Lemieux. If Gretzky was from Q, he would speak bad on him as well...
I'm not saying that European commentators aren't bad and biased, but they are not like Don Cherry!

 

[David]

First of all, I am not saying that all Russians are certain way. However, some of them, (read: guys like Ovechicken) sure are giving ignorants like Cherry fodder for them to be criticized.

Lindros - Refused to wear the jersey of the team who drafted him, is as dumb as a doorknob, acted often like a spoiled brat, mama's boy had parents intervene at every turn, never won, anything, etc.

Completely agree on Lindros. Complete brat from juniors and beyond, including the Coocoo Bananas incident while still in juniors and his refusal to wear the Nordiques sweater while 2nd pick that year Pat Falloon was almost jumping up and down to done the sweater of an expansion Sharks! What a contrast! One, a player with all that talent, acting like a prima donna while a tiny little player with limited talent rejoicing at his good fortune!

Mario Lemieux - Was extremely unhappy at draft time, wanted to dictate where he would go and Pittsburgh wasn't something he wanted.

Another complete agreement. The biggest whiner this side of the ocean...not to mention the fact that he was in the same hotel suite when his buddy Dan Quinn was raping a girl. To be fair, the affair went to court and then eventually charge was dropped but we all know what money can buy...just ask O.J. Sad thing is that this kind of thing keeps on happening including to Jovanovsky.

Joe Sakic - Leadership completely overblown. Also signed an offer sheet to the Rangers just like Fedorov with Carolina, forcing the Avs' hands. Money is all that matter to him. At least that's what appears to be the case.

Grasping at straws here. Joe has always been a character guy even before the Swift Water Bronco's bus accident. His leadership was questioned a little bit very early in his career because he received the 'C' at at very young age on the very, very, very bad Quebec Nordiques team that was a constant revovling door when it came to players coming and going. Joe has grown in to an exceptional leader and the same sort of progression can be seen on Stevie Yzerman. It just happens that Stevie was criticized even more early on and praise even more during his late years. People grow into leadership.

Not only that, Sakic didn't sign with Carolina and then started whining that he wanted to go back to his old team like Sergei did in Anaheim! There IS a difference.

Theoren Fleury - When this guy can spend 6 months of his life without disgracing himself or the game of hockey, it's usually an achievement similar to scoring 50 goals in a season. Substance abuse, missing team meetings, criticizing coaches, attacks on mascots, cheap shots, obscene gestures at crowds that put back into context a teenager showing his name on the back of a jersey.

Most of his problems occurred in the last 4 years or so due to alcohol. If you know anything about alcoholics, you'll realize that it is genetically passed on and that Theo father was also an alcoholic. He has a problem and he's working on it. Just the fact that he got to NHL, let alone was a super star for many years was an incredible, incredible achievement. The odds that this little fella over came...

However, before that, Theo was literally the poster child for the Hockey Hall of Fame whose ad went something like: 'They measured his height and said that he was too short. They measured his weight and said that he was too small. But they forgot to measure his heart!' with a toothless Fleury grinning underneath the slogan.

Mike Ribeiro - OMG! Someone call the police, this guy had a nose ring at one time! This is unconscionable, I say! Also cocky, somewhat undisciplined. Faked an injury on the ice. How dare he? Only Russians dive or fake in this league!

We can safely conclude, if we are Pejorative Slured enough, that all Canadians are bums, wimps, lazy asses who only think of money, bribes and rubbing it in to their opponents.

So I guess you can see that Mike Ribeiro FAKED an injury (which I completely agree on!) but cannot see forest for the trees that Ovechicken faked one too? Same goes for Corson. You can recognize that Corson quit on his team but not Ovechicken? Hmm...I wonder...

You really like using the word 'Pejorative SlurED'. By its very definintion, it means 'slow in developement, especially mentally' - New Websters. Now, if you can't see some of the differences in some of the cases that you've listed here, then I would have to say that YOU sir (and I use the term loosely) are the one that is truly Pejorative SlurED.


...and p.s. I'm still waiting for your list of players of quality character who have quit on their team during a Championship game in the last 30 years...and as I said before, clowns like Shayne Corson doesn't count. Your pointless rambling that you provided before doesn't say anything so try again. And in case you didn't get what I'm saying because you are a little slow, 'pointless' and 'doesn't say anything' are about the same in meaning...

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

So I guess you can see that Mike Ribeiro FAKED an injury (which I completely agree on!) but cannot see forest for the trees that Ovechicken faked one too? Same goes for Corson. You can recognize that Corson quit on his team but not Ovechicken? Hmm...I wonder...

Ribeiro's embellishment, followed by taunting was fairly obvious. Corson literally quit on his team. He left. Ovechkin was injured and left a game, a common occurance in hockey and nothing to write home about.

You really like using the word 'Pejorative SlurED'. By its very definintion, it means 'slow in developement, especially mentally' - New Websters. Now, if you can't see some of the differences in some of the cases that you've listed here, then I would have to say that YOU sir (and I use the term loosely) are the one that is truly Pejorative SlurED.

Hopeless... especially considering the quotes above, where you're the one who clearly can't see the difference between a player embellishing, a player leaving his team and a player being injured after being hit countless times by the elite of what junior hockey has to offer. Are you really that dumb, or do you just pretend you are?

...and p.s. I'm still waiting for your list of players of quality character who have quit on their team during a Championship game in the last 30 years...and as I said before, clowns like Shayne Corson doesn't count. Your pointless rambling that you provided before doesn't say anything so try again. And in case you didn't get what I'm saying because you are a little slow, 'pointless' and 'doesn't say anything' are about the same in meaning...

That will be more difficult to provide by memory but I'll get to it and see what I can come up with.

But I can already tell you: players of all kinds, from warriors to floaters quit games with an injury ALL THE TIME. To know not it, to deny it, is to showcase stupidity to newer levels, even for this website.

As for Joe Sakic, well aside from the use cliches used to describe him, not much new here. Sakic is terribly overrated as a leader, literally floated the first few years of his career. I now, I was watching almost every game. He was lazy, uninterested and undisciplined. The leadership on this team came from other players, especially Patrick Roy. Joe can thank Roy and others for the undeserved reputation he now carries.

 

[Air]

Vlad the Impaler, since you seem to be so riled up on this, what's your take on the transition from the Russian icebots of the Soviet era to well, the trend in the opposite direction right now?

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Vlad the Impaler, since you seem to be so riled up on this, what's your take on the transition from the Russian icebots of the Soviet era to well, the trend in the opposite direction right now?

Do you mean, when Russians were seen as players without much emotion?

I think Russian coaching looks quite weak. I also think the system is quite corrupt in places. I don't think the young guys are handled properly in general. There is obviously a certain lack of etiquette. That much is obvious. There have been a couple of incidents.

I think with all the scandals, maybe these young players do not find it in them to respect certain persons in charge. The country is in part clinging to certain things soviet and that requires some adjustment. Players like Zherdev, Chistov and Svitov have all been involved in political crap one way or another. I suspect a guy like Ovechkin is constantly feeling pressure to remain a Russian product. They know he wants to come over as soon as he can but I doubt they are happy. Coaching nominations are pften perplexing according to Russian observers. Team selection is often weird. All sorts of puzzling moves. Khubodin being recalled in Russia in the middle of the Re/Max challenge is the latest example.

I don't think adults can properly train classy athletes if they act like a bunch of corrupt clowns and do chaotic stuff constantly.

The rest is just about the environment. Right now, it's become their thing to show off at those events. I don't think it's over the line that I draw as far as "ruining hockey". What it does, as I said after the USA game, is that it hurts them. You pull antics like this team Russia did and the only people you affect in the end is you and your teammates. It's just hot air, overconfidence and a sure way to eventually be ridiculed.

In the end, you have to live with what you do.

The mirror image, that of the Soviet Icebot as you call them, is that it was the same system, the same corruption, but under a super-tight and vastly different political system. In effect, the law now gives more freedom to people but some of the people in charge have not adapted. They're trying to treat players like meat. It worked then, it can't work now.

It seems the whole way they handle hockey players needs to be reworked. That was apparent many years ago when players like Larionov and Fetisov spoke out and several athletes have refused to play for certain coaches atinternational events.

I bet you many of the youngsters are in the same boat. Except they can't pass international events (or any event for that matter) because this is their ticket to the NHL or any pro career. They need to build off those events. So they attend and try to give a show.

BTW, from what little I know of players agent over there, this is also an area that is sorely lacking. Around here, players are programmed. What most people here mistake as "classy" is nothing more than programmation. Our young athletes here are well coached in PR before they are even drafted. They come at interviews and already have all the answers. And if they make the mistake of not going by the book like Schremp and actually treat you intelligently with an honest answer, they're labelled as huge headcase with attitude problems. Meanwhile, character guy Dan Paille was bull****ing his way in all interviews giving the answers provided by his agent. Not a single word from him. Wow! That's Canadian heart for you!

You have to go in the interviews with your canned answers. You gotta say the right things all the time. Eventually, most of the Euros who come over here learn what they are supposed to do to keep the media and fans off their backs, like everybody else.

 

[Canuck21t]

Exactly! But that makes it a big difference between Don cherry and your French sport commentators. Don Cherry doesn't use subtle and politically correct comments! Your local commentators can afford that to themselves, but when you are commentating on a national level you cannot! Especially in a country that is so divided (Quebec and the rest of Canada)! He is not realistic, he has mulitple standards and that is wrong. As I heard, he spoke bad on Lemieux. If Gretzky was from Q, he would speak bad on him as well...
I'm not saying that European commentators aren't bad and biased, but they are not like Don Cherry!

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Don Cherry. If it was up to me, I would fire him because it's unfair to ask for Quebecers and other Canadians that don't agree with him to pay for his salary. I mean you're paying for the guy who insults you? That's ridiculous indeed. On the other hand, I hate hypocrisy and political correctness, at least he's honest. When I see Don Cherry, I get embarassed because he really sounds stupid most of the time, but I also get extremely frustrated when I listen to French Canadian commentators. Don't be fooled by their political correctness because many MANY Quebecers have the same opinions as Cherry about Europeans. If Don Cherry would only insult Europeans, he wouldn't be so hated in Quebec I can garantee you that.

In an unrelated note, last night I was listening to the radio in French and people were asked if fighting should be eliminated in hockey and my gosh, the people who are for keeping fighting, and they were a lot, gave the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard. It was so bad that I was convinced that among the stupid people in the world, Canadian stupid people are the dumbest. I was glad not too many foreigners heard those arguments.

I think we're getting out of topic here...

 

[chicpea*]

Ribeiro's embellishment, followed by taunting was fairly obvious. Corson literally quit on his team. He left.

Vlad, I agree with your examples above and especially the over-arching theme of the double-strandard, which your examples prove quite nicely. I don't think you're being entirely fair to Corson though. You know there were other factors at play when he left. Not saying it was the best move, but it's not like I would really condemn him for it.