Discussion in 'Russia' started by Caser, Jan 16, 2017.
No need write it. f***ing annoying
I think your attitude is more annoying. What ui I start complaining about english nicknames and shorts? Would be absurd.
With emotions cooled down a bit, I can say I'm not impressed by Vorobyov at all.
At the attack only the first line showed any chemistry, everyone else were more like a bunch of individuals (some of them occasionally succeeded though). Buchnevich is the biggest disappointment - just invisible, while I expected him to be one of the guys responsible for secondary scoring. Shalunov screwed up everything he could (no disappointment here though, as it's not like it would be a huge surprise), but if he got deservingly demoted to a 13th FW role, then what is Grigorenko doing on the 2nd line all the time is something what I can't understand - bad decisions both at defense and attack, soft when it comes to physical plays... at the same time Barabanov was on the 4th line most of the time. Speaking about Barabanov, obviously he is the biggest positive surprise (ok, Mikheyev was fine too), but again, so often he was just going solo with no one to support him. And yes, returning to the first line, Canadian coaches quickly noticed that it is a bit too lightweight, so when they applied some extra physicality there, chemistry quickly got noticeably worse.
Defense actually wasn't that bad: I mean, Gavrikov and Kiselevich were very solid and Zaitsev also got his game going in the end and you couldn't really expect anything good from everyone else. Maybe the only exception here would be Tryamkin, he wasn't too good, but I still think he was benched too quickly there.
GK situation is just absurd: at the beginning of the tournament they are clearly showing that Koshechkin is the starter and in the decisive game they are putting rusty Shestyorkin in the net. L - logic.
Roster decisions were also rather strange: ok, I can understand that you couldn't predict that Buchnevich would be so disappointing and probably even Grigorenko (but not on the 2nd line!!), but what was Shalunov doing there, I can't believe Byvaltsev or Tkachev would be worse. Additionally I don't like the idea of inviting borderline NHLers like Soshnikov and Mamin, not like they would be bad, but I think that here we should invite only established NHLers... ok, that's just a personal opinion.
P.S. journalists are defending Vorobyov, but I think that is mostly because finally they got a coach that doesn't tell them at the press conference who they really are.
It was a dumb decision to call Buchnevich to this tournament. He had his confidence destroyed in the second half of the season by Vigneault whose disliked him for two years almost certainly due to his nationality. After the new year his play wasn't the same because he was getting moved around to all sorts of different roles. He could never find any rhythm. He said as much in interviews. He needs a full off-season to regroup and get his confidence back under the new coach. Vorobyov used fatigue as the reason to not call in Tkachyov, but didn't seem to realize Buchnevich wasn't mentally in form for this tournament.
Is there someone in the Russian federation who watches these players NHL matches? I get its the middle of the night in Russia, but its kind of their job to know the form of their NHL players. The drop in form should've been obvious, if they just watched his form in the first half of the season and the second half. He was never in mental shape to play at this tournament, and I think the criticism needs to go more to the decision makers to include him than him. He was a rookie to the National Team. Not like he's going to turn down a spot.
He doesn't need time or second chances: won't play for SKA.
Even too logic: SKA goalie needed to gather experience
Need to scout players for SKA (Soshnikov) and to get to play CSKA players. Nothing to be surprised about. Tkachev doesn't play for the right team.
With all this being said, I think you're trashing Vorobyov too fast. It was his first experience and got to coach the national team like two weeks before a WC. Didn't do too bad IMHO. I just hope that he won't coach SKA.
Unfortunately in Russia there is a big role played by the trashy mentality that everything that is Russian sucks and if it's from Germany or America then it's 100 times better, thus the free pass for NHL "stars" like Mamin or Soshnikov. And this without even considering C/SKA's needs.
About Shestyorkin, I'm all for giving him experience, but then give him 5 group stage starts, not Koshechkin.
About Vorobyov, I might be a bit spoiled here as all of the previous coaches were doing pretty good on their NT starts, but for me the issue is that I didn't see any thought in our game (yes, even with Znarok and Bill I saw it) and it is a bit depressing.
With the depleted roster Buchnevich was a lock. Nobody expected him to carry the team though. All good. He gathers experience.
B-team roster for the Sochi Hockey Open (3rd-8th of August):
Vladimir Tkachyov (1995 born)
I'd like to see the kind of rosters sent to the WHC. Then add some NHLers. Much better to let those guys play than the usual suspects.
Good to see Tkachev finally get some NT experience.
Karjala Cup (8th-11th of November) roster:
Good to see Konovalov.
Pedan and Vasilevsky are big question marks.
Dergachyov and Ketov probably getting a SKA free pass.
Otherwise an experimental thing that is altogether. Can't have younglings there too.
B-team roster for the Deutschland Cup (8th-11th of November):
Vladimir Tkachyov (1995 born)
Roster for the Channel One Cup (13th-16th of December).
Since this is CH1, I’m assuming this is team A.
So is this really their best possible D?
Artyom Zub is missing, but he is injured.
Classic two army teams combo. Kagarlitsky or Shipachyov not good enough?
Zub and Tryamkin are injured. Not sure why Khafizullin isn't there.
Blazhiyevsky, Pedan, Vasilevsky?
Nice performance by KHL guys. I still think Russia has the best non-NHL talent, even with several guys going to NA.
Gavrikov thinks that he is a sniper all of a sudden.
Good performance by the defense. And it kind of raises a question of whether or not a best possible Team Russia D would be all NHL guys. Most of us seem to think so.
Roster for Swedish Hockey Games.
Goalkeepers: Ilya Konovalov (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl), Igor Bobkov (Avangard), Pyotr Kochetkov (HC Sochi).
Defensemen: Zakhar Arzamastsev (Salavat Yulaev), Artyom Zub (SKA Saint Petersburg), Viktor Antipin, Alexei Bereglazov (both Metallurg Magnitogorsk), Andrei Mironov (Dynamo Moscow), Alexei Vasilevskiy (Avtomobilist), Rushan Rafikov, Alexander Elesin (both Lokomotiv Yaroslavl), Andrei Pedan (Ak Bars Kazan), Nikolai Demidov (Sibir Novosibirsk).
Forwards: Dmitry Kagarlitsky, Vadim Shipachyov (both Dynamo Moscow), Anatoly Nikontsev (Spartak Moscow), Sergei Shumakov, Denis Zernov, Ilya Mikheev (all Avangard), Andrei Kuzmenko, Alexei Kruchinin (both SKA Saint Petersburg), Andrei Svetlakov, Konstantin Okulov (both CSKA Moscow), Alexander Kadeikin, Anton Burdasov (both Salavat Yulaev), Grigory Denisenko, Denis Alexeev, Kirill Slepets (all Lokomotiv Yaroslavl).
This is a great great roster. If only it wasn't only to relieve the C/SKA stars before the playoffs... sigh...
Konovalov is no good at SO
He was good actually
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