Rumor: Rumours & Proposals Thread | Trade Deadline Discussion

[North]

Scary that Calgary almost won another trade by a fair amount, and the only thing that stopped them was a player. Calgary is good at finding these solid players that other GMs are eager to get rid of

Good thing they gave Frolik an NTC. Good idea that was.

 

[GodPucker]

Good thing they gave Frolik an NTC. Good idea that was.

CGY fans are getting tired of Frolik and they almost give him up for an upgrade lol. They must be mad.

 

[BarDownBobo]

I'd love to see our next GM swoop in on Zucker at the draft. Prime bounce back candidate and he'd be a great fit with any of our top 6 centers.

 

[780il]

I'd love to see our next GM swoop in on Zucker at the draft. Prime bounce back candidate and he'd be a great fit with any of our top 6 centers.

Pulju + 2nd + Manning

 

[BarDownBobo]

Pulju + 2nd + Manning

With how Fenton has been dealing I'm aiming cheaper. Plus I think if you're moving Pulju it's gotta be with Lucic attached.

 

[Canovin]

Pulju + 2nd + Manning

I'm thinking Pulju+2nd+Lucic would get it done

 

[780il]

I'm thinking Pulju+2nd+Lucic would get it done

I would f***ing scream for joy if that went through lmao

 

[Cloned]

With how Fenton has been dealing I'm aiming cheaper. Plus I think if you're moving Pulju it's gotta be with Lucic attached.

Seems like hiring assistant GMs to be your GM is hit or miss. 50/50 whether you get a stud or a dud.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Seems like hiring assistant GMs to be your GM is hit or miss. 50/50 whether you get a stud or a dud.

Yup. Fenton was actually the guy I wanted last year if Chia got fired. We really dodged a bullet there.

He turned Niederrieter, Coyle, and Granlund into Rask, Donato, and Fiala.

He also drafted Filip Johansson with their 1st. On average, he was ranked in the 3rd/4th round.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Yup. Fenton was actually the guy I wanted last year if Chia got fired. We really dodged a bullet there.

He turned Niederrieter, Coyle, and Granlund into Rask, Donato, and Fiala.

He also drafted Filip Johansson with their 1st. On average, he was ranked in the 3rd/4th round.

Fenton was riding Poile's coattails. You have to be careful w Asst GMs. They dont make the calls (ahem - Chia and KG) and are supporting what their boss wants. Often Asst GMs want to change the world as they know it once they get into the big chair. Fenton, 3 trades with Nashville this year. He also has downgraded his team it seems w each trade.

He will learn I would think, over time. Oilers do not have that luxury (time to heal from making mistakes)

 

[FunkyChicken]

KG's job should have been two fold:
1. Dump UFAs for picks or prospects. These picks could then be either used to help the prospect pool or traded at the draft for depth players. Keep in mind that the chances of a mid-second rounder and a 5th rounder making the NHL isn't that great, so even 4th and 5th round picks have value. And that you can fill the roster for the rest of the year through waiver pick ups.
2. Dump bad or poor contracts with term. Lucic, Russell, Koskinen, Manning, Sekera, and Kassian. This would have been a bonus, but really this is the only opportunity to move them to a potentially desperate playoff team.
When they cleared the trade deadline without a move that was concerning. When KG said that they weren't looking to move players for pick or prospects, that was frightening. That is a tell for whoever is running this ship still doesn't have a clue.

 

[Del Preston]

Seems like hiring assistant GMs to be your GM is hit or miss. 50/50 whether you get a stud or a dud.

Best way to avoid this would be getting someone with experience as the POHO to support whoever the GM is.

If they plan on hiring a POHO it doesn't sound like the same person will get both titles. That was a major mistake with Chiarelli.

 

[FunkyChicken]

Yup. Fenton was actually the guy I wanted last year if Chia got fired. We really dodged a bullet there.

He turned Niederrieter, Coyle, and Granlund into Rask, Donato, and Fiala.

He also drafted Filip Johansson with their 1st. On average, he was ranked in the 3rd/4th round.

It is amazing how much rope owners give GMs.
After the Niederrieter trade, Fenton should have been on alert. He should have been gone when he ran the Coyle dead through ownership.
Same with Dorian. After the initial Duchene trade, alert. Hoffman proposal, gone.
Chia. Reinhart, alert. Hall, gone.

 

[guymez]

KG's job should have been two fold:
1. Dump UFAs for picks or prospects. These picks could then be either used to help the prospect pool or traded at the draft for depth players. Keep in mind that the chances of a mid-second rounder and a 5th rounder making the NHL isn't that great, so even 4th and 5th round picks have value. And that you can fill the roster for the rest of the year through waiver pick ups.
2. Dump bad or poor contracts with term. Lucic, Russell, Koskinen, Manning, Sekera, and Kassian. This would have been a bonus, but really this is the only opportunity to move them to a potentially desperate playoff team.
When they cleared the trade deadline without a move that was concerning. When KG said that they weren't looking to move players for pick or prospects, that was frightening. That is a tell for whoever is running this ship still doesn't have a clue.

Couldn't disagree more.

First of all the team still has a chance at the playoffs. When Connor said (last week) that he still believes in this team that was a very telling statement that KG had to have in his mind today.
If the Oilers were mathematically eliminated then I believe today would have played out differently. They arent eliminated and still do have a chance and therefore if he did do what you suggested it would have made a statement about quitting on his players. He absolutely could not afford to do that. The optics would have been terrible....not only to the players but also to the STH.


Now the off season is another matter all together. I fully expect a lot of roster movement this summer.
Not today though....today wasnt a surprise at all IMO.

 

[Soundwave]

KG's job should have been two fold:
1. Dump UFAs for picks or prospects. These picks could then be either used to help the prospect pool or traded at the draft for depth players. Keep in mind that the chances of a mid-second rounder and a 5th rounder making the NHL isn't that great, so even 4th and 5th round picks have value. And that you can fill the roster for the rest of the year through waiver pick ups.
2. Dump bad or poor contracts with term. Lucic, Russell, Koskinen, Manning, Sekera, and Kassian. This would have been a bonus, but really this is the only opportunity to move them to a potentially desperate playoff team.
When they cleared the trade deadline without a move that was concerning. When KG said that they weren't looking to move players for pick or prospects, that was frightening. That is a tell for whoever is running this ship still doesn't have a clue.

If its obvious, like some team was dumb enough to want Lucic, ok, but players like Kassian or even Russell ... how can KG know what the next GM is going to do?

We might need Kassian if we can somehow dump Lucic on/after July 1 to a cap floor team. If the new GM is then forced to go looking for a physical forward, then that Kassian trade will have been a stupid move.

Maybe we need one of Russell or Sekera next season, who knows.

The next GM should be making those calls, not Keith Gretzky.

 

[bobbythebrain]

It is amazing how much rope owners give GMs.
After the Niederrieter trade, Fenton should have been on alert. He should have been gone when he ran the Coyle dead through ownership.
Same with Dorian. After the initial Duchene trade, alert. Hoffman proposal, gone.
Chia. Reinhart, alert. Hall, gone.

Duchene trade? Ott just came off a cup final and had Karlsson & Stone for another year. They also had Hoffman and Dzingel playing fantastic. They added a premier center for a repeat. Getting Duchene to follow up an amazing cup run in that window was a solid move

What transpired after w/ Uber, twitter and all the other ownership BS is unfortunate. Anyone calling out Dorian now for that is just plain using hindsight to make their their case.

Dorian did pretty well this last year recovering

If Edm saw a cup final 2 years ago, you are damn skippy fans would be outraged if we didn't sell a bunch off assets to repeat. Especially adding a phenonamal player like Duchene

 

[FunkyChicken]

You make the changes now to accelerate the process of fixing the team to potentially be competitive next year.
Connor has to say that. If he said anything different, that would be the equivalent of asking for a trade.
Where are we at now for chances to make the playoffs? 1%? That is eliminated.
In the offseason, the UFAs that you could have got something for leave for free. And the bad contracts that were hard to move are now impossible. Why trade for a bad contract when you can just go a sign your own UFA.
Missed opportunity.

 

[FunkyChicken]

Duchene trade? Ott just came off a cup final and had Karlsson & Stone for another year. They also had Hoffman and Dzingel playing fantastic. They added a premier center for a repeat. Getting Duchene to follow up an amazing cup run in that window was a solid move

What transpired after w/ Uber, twitter and all the other ownership BS is unfortunate. Anyone calling out Dorian now for that is just plain using hindsight to make their their case.

Dorian did pretty well this last year recovering

If Edm saw a cup final 2 years ago, you are damn skippy fans would be outraged if we didn't sell a bunch off assets to repeat. Especially adding a phenonamal player like Duchene

It was a bad trade at the time. Turris had similar career path to Duchene at the time of the trade so although Ottawa needed to add a plus, it didn't need to be a first round pick, a third round pick and a previous first round pick. It was too much then, and Ottawa blowing up just made it worse.
You make it sound like Duchene was part of that cup run, he wasn't, Turris was. This was the first year Duchene became phenomenal.

 

[bobbythebrain]

It was a bad trade at the time. Turris had similar career path to Duchene at the time of the trade so although Ottawa needed to add a plus, it didn't need to be a first round pick, a third round pick and a previous first round pick. It was too much then, and Ottawa blowing up just made it worse.
You make it sound like Duchene was part of that cup run, he wasn't, Turris was. This was the first year Duchene became phenomenal.

So I guess Duchene's 30 goals is nothing, on an abysmal team? Duchene has always been regarded as a high end player, much more than Turris. Like leaps and bounds

Duchene has ALWAYS been known for his speed, FO's and his amazing ability down low, Crosbyesque if you will...hence, he's been traded 2x for a ****load of assets. Dude made Yakupov look good

Anyone talking **** about that trade now is literally speaking out the side of their mouth. Noibody saw OTT's regression this bad, or viewed that 1st rounder as a lottery pick

Ott had all the momentum, talent and Chabot on the way.

Edm hires Yzerman in the summer. Yzerman trades next years 1st for Doughty. Drai and Nurse fight again. RNH makes a move on McD's girlfriend. Team implodes

Edm fans blame call Yzerman an idiot for trading for Doughty lol

 

[oilcountry17]

I keep hoping we take advantage of Fenton on July 2 nd after bonus to lucic Something like :
Nurse Pulj and lucic + 2nd 2020 + 3 rd 2021 for Zucker and Spurgeon i would pay 2020 1st instead of the 2nd

my pairings ended up backwards Sek and Klef should be switched

 

[Soundwave]

lol, didn't mean to post that in this thread.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Leon Draisaitl would be a no.1 C on a lot of teams IMO, because you have to keep in mind on many teams he would be getting a large overall upgrade on wing.

Even contenders like Calgary or Winnipeg, I could see him beating out their other Cs for the no.1 C spot if you give him wingers like Gaudreau or Laine to play with I think there's more than a fair chance he out produces any of the other Cs given that opportunity.

Ditto for Nashville and Vegas too IMO. He is better than Johansson or Turris or Karlsson or Statsny.

He was compared to Kopitar early in his career. He's basically become Kopitar lite, except at a much faster rate. In 2 more years, he will be recognized as premier center. he's already becoming recognized as a premier player, but he will separate himself as a C soon enough

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Love this chart this time of year.

 

[CycloneSweep]

You make the changes now to accelerate the process of fixing the team to potentially be competitive next year.
Connor has to say that. If he said anything different, that would be the equivalent of asking for a trade.
Where are we at now for chances to make the playoffs? 1%? That is eliminated.
In the offseason, the UFAs that you could have got something for leave for free. And the bad contracts that were hard to move are now impossible. Why trade for a bad contract when you can just go a sign your own UFA.
Missed opportunity.

Oh man a bunch for bad contracts were moved today that we missed out on. Bad contracts get moved at the draft or in the summer. It's not easier at the deadline.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I ran the numbers off Damian Echevarrieta's games remaining chart (our magic defeat number is 34).

I predicted the following looking at who plays who where till seasons end

Colorado - 25 points - 91 for the 2nd WC
Dallas - 21 points - 88 for the final WC spot - hedging bets here even though Zuccarello their prize pickup is out for a month after 1 game in Dallas
Arizona - 19 points - 82 for 4th in the Pacific
Edmonton - 22 points - 81 for 5th in the Pacific (soft schedule, team playing better, getting goaltending, Leon 50, Connor will be motivated, so much for the tank)
Chicago - 18 points - 79 for 6th in the Central
Minnesota - 9 points - 75 they have a crazy insanely difficult schedule, key players out on injury and their trades sucked
Vancouver - 12 points - 74 they also have a tough schedule and I think Petterson shows the mileage and fades as he is now doing
LA and Anaheim can get f***ed. So long as one of them doesn't win the Hughes lottery.