Proposal: Rumours and Proposals Thread: Wake Me Up When June Ends

[CycloneSweep]

McDavid
Driasaitl
Nuge
4c

We don't have the wingers for that. By the time we get down to Nuge he is going to have Lucic and Kassian as wingers.
Hell with the money we have that means we need 4 top 6 guys which is impossible.

 

[bucks_oil]

Who showed the most emotion and looked like the cared the most when a Jersey got tossed on the ice here...Ben Scrivens.

Totally OT... but I think Ben Scrivens was one of the better leaders we've had on this team in some time. In fact I'd argue his personal accountability is probably the only reason he was playing in the NHL in the first place. Unfortunately it's pretty tough to remain a leader for very long when your own play is deteriorating.... but even that... it's a bit chicken or egg. Ben's fall from grace was quick and intertwined with guys quitting on each other and then on him. Resilient teams (and we've not been one since Smytty/Gator/Pronger) have leaders that don't allow each other to quit, even when one guy or a few guys are struggling and not getting it done.

I'd also argue the same thing happened to Dubby (who withstood longer because he was not a fiery leader type) and (to a lesser extent) Talbot.

But that's just me playing "goalie shrink".

 

[bobbythebrain]

All the teams who won cups recently split up there top players.

Malkin/Crosby, Toews/Kane, Kopitar/Carter, Bergeron/Kreji,
Ror/Tarasenko.

Even OV and Backstrom were split when they won.

Drai and McD need to be split. Period.
Drai needs a player like we saw with Hall.
McD was playing just fine w/ RNH. I have no clue why that was changed,?

 

[Raab]

If Eberle played like atop 6 player he would still be here.
If Oilers could net a top pairing RD for cheaper, Hall would still be here.

And that’s the problem with this organization, running guys out of town for no reason. Eb’s just signed a long term 5.5M contract in New York. So it wasn’t like he’s massively overpaid. Holland never makes those trades.

 

[Raab]

That’s a weird tangent to go off on.

Who showed the most emotion and looked like the cared the most when a Jersey got tossed on the ice here...Ben Scrivens.

You know who didn’t seem to care much when things were bad here... Moreau, Horcoff, and the other guys who had played a ton of hockey, all of it with the Oilers.

Jersey tossing started after Moreau and Horcoff we’re gone IIRC

 

[CupofOil]

All the teams who won cups recently split up there top players.

Malkin/Crosby, Toews/Kane, Kopitar/Carter, Bergeron/Kreji,
Ror/Tarasenko.

Even OV and Backstrom were split when they won.

Drai and McD need to be split. Period.
Drai needs a player like we saw with Hall.
McD was playing just fine w/ RNH. I have no clue why that was changed,?

It was changed because McDavid and Draisaitl have far better chemistry and the 2nd line wasn't producing much with Drai or RNH.
The team, as current constructed, is better with McDrai and RNH than they are with McNuge and Drai because McDrai is FAR more productive than McNuge.

Also, if McDavid and Drai are split, it should be Drai and RNH together on the 2nd line and let the best line driver take the scraps and try to turn them into useful producers. I don't know why that hasn't been tried. Instead, they stick Drai or RNH with the worst wingers and give McDavid the best winger for 3 years now since Drai/Hall. Odd

 

[joestevens29]

Trouba apparently close to 7 years at 7.5-8mil

I really hope he ends up at 7.5mil and Myers ends up a touch less.

 

[North]

Trouba apparently close to 7 years at 7.5-8mil

I really hope he ends up at 7.5mil and Myers ends up a touch less.

NYR is wise to get that deal done before anybody decides to overpay for Myers.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

All the teams who won cups recently split up there top players.

Malkin/Crosby, Toews/Kane, Kopitar/Carter, Bergeron/Kreji,
Ror/Tarasenko.

Even OV and Backstrom were split when they won.

Drai and McD need to be split. Period.
Drai needs a player like we saw with Hall.
McD was playing just fine w/ RNH. I have no clue why that was changed,?

First thing you are arguing for splitting up players pre-emptively cause teams who won the cup did it, but the basic fact is we are a million miles away from winning a cup, much less be in the playoffs, if your argument was these teams did it and it led to better regular season success it would be of greater import. A lot of teams have had greater regular seasons largely off the back of one super line, it's in the playoffs where that dynamic often changes, when defensive structure and heavy game-planning upset what worked in the regular season.

The moral of the story is you need 2 good lines, so in the event one gets shut down the other can step up, it isn't you must keep the teams best players away from each other, you need a 2nd line you can count on, which fairly we are a long way off from having. Also in a lot of the examples you provided it was either two players who could independently drive their line and make the individuals around them better or two players who are natural C's through and through, to this point Drai is a winger more than he is a center.

Nit-picking I'd say Kuznetsov outplayed Backstrom in that years playoff push and it was actually OV and Kuznetsov who were the top 2 forwards, you could also make the same argument of it being ROR and Schwartz for the Blues, but that was close enough to argue either way.

If we could get back Hall or a Hall level player (and fit it in our budget) then great, but till then best make do with what we got. McDavid and Drai duo from a numbers perspective heavily outperformed the McDavid RNH duo last year, and RNH on our no mans land 2nd line outperformed Drai when he was put into that same situation. Things will likely change as next season progresses even great duos tend to get shuffled around at some point, but it seems likely that McDavid + Drai is something we are going to see a lot of going forward.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If Eberle played like atop 6 player he would still be here.
If Oilers could net a top pairing RD for cheaper, Hall would still be here.

But... he did.

What you should be saying is "If the idiot GM didn't suddenly crave cap space that he wasn't going to use, Eberle would still be here."

 

[Soli]

Brassard prove it deal please.

 

[booyakasha]

 

[Faelko]

Brassard prove it deal please.

Finally some rumblings about 3C.

I could see Talbot having a bounce back year but still not sure I would give him a contract. Hopefully he continues letting in his first shot ..hehe

 

[yukoner88]

Whats everyone opinion on Keith Kinkaid? He had an up year n followed by a bit of a down year last season. But the entire Devil's roster took a step back last season.

I hardly ever watched him play though. He'd most likely be on the cheaper end of things contract wise. Would he be good enough to 30-40 games a season for us?

 

[McVirginOil]

Brassard is a shadow of what he was, and he’s definitely trending downward. I say no go for Brassard. He’s going to be nothing compared to his predicted ask of around 4M

 

[Soli]

 

[backhandsauce]

I have lots of time for Boyle. He would be a great fit. Does everything.

 

[Spawn]

Brassard prove it deal please.

Brassard seems sort of like Sam Gagner to me. A guy who is better off on wing because he kind of sucks defensively and isn't good at faceoffs. I used to like the player quite a bit though.

He'd probably be worth a shot at ~1-1.5M. Not sure what kind of a contract he's getting though.

 

[McVirginOil]

Brassard last year with PIT:

Boyle with NJD:

Conclusion: they both suck but at least Boyle slowed everything down kinda. Important to note that Boyle in NSH was more similar to Brassard in Pittsburgh, bad offensively and defensively

 

[Raab]

Brassard prove it deal please.

Filippula on a 2 year deal makes some sense

 

[Spawn]

Isn't Boyle really more a 4C than a 3C?

 

[Faelko]

I have lots of time for Boyle. He would be a great fit. Does everything.

I kind of do too but I’m worried time is catching up with him. The thought of a big bodied C that can win draws and PK is something we need.

 

[frag2]

I hope he lets his first, second and third shots in every game

 

[Beerfish]

I've always like Brian Boyle as a player.

 

[backhandsauce]

Hear me out. I guarantee Mike Smith has a better year than Cam Talbot.