Rumor: Rumours and Proposals Thread | Kyle Dubarelli Strikes Again

[PaPaDee]

Oh well, Craigsonit and K. Gretzky will help as he's part of the think tank. It might be time for a bunch of us to just say **** it and quit wasting our time on this team if these clowns are still employed come next September.

I’m already there.

 

[Ck1]

At this point in time after last nights game I'm willing to put everyone on the trade block not named McDavid and drai. Rnh nurse klef all can be traded but only if we're winning the trade no more chia specials. Something has to change time to start over imo

 

[HeroNtF]

Well I don't like the cap hit for the years. The one good thing he has been able to do is make the contracts movable. If signing him long term doesnt appear to be in the books, orothe core seems broken,after year 3 summer bonus, who wouldn't want Auston for 7'950'000.l, and that'd bring back a boat load, same goes with nylanders contract, and probably mariners contract when it gets done.

So at least if Dubas completely messes up, there will be a reset button where we could get a ton of assets.. cups and this core staying together would be way cooler though.. hopefully management has things up their sleeves and prove our worries were just leafs fans being leafs fans.

 

[LaGu]

I think that no trade promise was only for this year.

I found the quote from Nylander's side:
"Kyle has told me several times that as long as he is in charge I will not be traded. So I cannot say that I am particularly worried."

Note sure if there is another side of the coin story out there somewhere referring to this year specifically.


This was after Burke's comments in mid January that he should be traded away from Toronto.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I found the quote from Nylander's side:
"Kyle has told me several times that as long as he is in charge I will not be traded. So I cannot say that I am particularly worried."

Note sure if there is another side of the coin story out there somewhere referring to this year specifically.


This was after Burke's comments in mid January that he should be traded away from Toronto.

I heard on the radio that his agent told him to say that even though the team never did. So if they trade him, the team looks like a bunch of liars and the team can't say they didn't say that cause then they are calling him a liar.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I think fixing this team takes 2-3 seasons. If that's so, zero chance RNH resigns. Guy is having a career high season. Maybe it's time to reward Nuge for his effort and find him a new home and get GOOD value for once on one of our guys.

Montreal still needs a legit center and they have a few prospects that I would love to have.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

We've scouted Boston something like 6 games in a row. If we don't trade with them what a waste of scouting assets. If this team really wants to try to make a push for the playoffs it has t start now, the team needs to feel like the calvary is coming as they are clearly down and out at the moment. The longer we wait the more likely that we will be in contention for the top pick and not the playoffs.

 

[waitin425]

I think fixing this team takes 2-3 seasons. If that's so, zero chance RNH resigns. Guy is having a career high season. Maybe it's time to reward Nuge for his effort and find him a new home and get GOOD value for once on one of our guys.

Montreal still needs a legit center and they have a few prospects that I would love to have.

Who would you want from us for Nuge?

Centre isn’t as dire a need for us anymore btw with domi doing fine, kotka looking like a future 1st liner, Poehling in the pipeline and Danault. But obviously Nuge is an improvement on Danault.

 

[North]

We've scouted Boston something like 6 games in a row. If we don't trade with them what a waste of scouting assets. If this team really wants to try to make a push for the playoffs it has t start now, the team needs to feel like the calvary is coming as they are clearly down and out at the moment. The longer we wait the more likely that we will be in contention for the top pick and not the playoffs.

Boston isn’t giving up anything substantial before the playoffs. Maybe prospects of note but that doesn’t help the Oilers during a playoff race.

At this point, if we are being honest with ourselves, we are sellers. We don’t have a lot worth selling though. Talbot will probably bring back a mid to late pick. Chiasson probably a mid-round pick unless we re-sign him. Gravel and Reider may return something.

 

[belair]

Trade Rieder, Chiasson and Petrovic. Find a few more fringe guys to test out for the remainder of the season. If this team is going to make the playoffs, it'll be on the backs of about five players. And I don't think this group can get it done. Too much mental weakness.

It's also pretty clear that Hitchcock doesn't have the room.

Trading for other players is kind of pointless though considering all of the ones brought in this season aren't even playing.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Who would you want from us for Nuge?

Centre isn’t as dire a need for us anymore btw with domi doing fine, kotka looking like a future 1st liner, Poehling in the pipeline and Danault. But obviously Nuge is an improvement on Danault.

I figured Domi is better on the wing. Next year you guys could have a top 6 of

Drouin - RNH - Gallagher
Domi - Kotkaniemi - whoever

And Danault can be your 3 c.

I am a big fan of Poehling and Brooks. Something around one or both of those guys maybe?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

NJ trades Boyle to Nashville for a 2nd.

 

[CycloneSweep]

NJ trades Boyle to Nashville for a 2nd.

Means we should get something close for Chiasson

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Means we should get something close for Chiasson

If we could get a 2nd for him he should be gone.

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

Means we should get something close for Chiasson

Boyle is a lot more complete player.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Boyle is a lot more complete player.

Whatever Maroon got last deadline is what I expect for Chiasson. Anything better is a win.

 

[Little Fury]

Trade Rieder, Chiasson and Petrovic. Find a few more fringe guys to test out for the remainder of the season. If this team is going to make the playoffs, it'll be on the backs of about five players. And I don't think this group can get it done. Too much mental weakness.

It's also pretty clear that Hitchcock doesn't have the room.

Trading for other players is kind of pointless though considering all of the ones brought in this season aren't even playing.

You forgot Talbot.

(Also it's not mental weakness.)

 

[Hemsky4pm2]

Backes scratched again for the Bruins.

Any chance the Bruins would consider (with Backes and Lucic's consent):

Backes - full ticket; 2 years remaining at 6M

for

Lucic - Oilers retain 33.333 percent salary retention (making Lucic a 4M AAV player)
3rd Round pick 2021
5th Round pick 2019

Oilers buy out Backes this summer for $10.6667M in real dollars. They retain 33.333% of Lucic's contract at 2M in real dollars for 4 seasons = 8M

Lucic's buy out would be 21.5M if it happened this summer. So the Oilers trade a 3rd and 5th to save 2.83M in real dollars. Bruins get the picks and Lucic (off chance he could bounce back with them).

 

[Little Fury]

Who would you want from us for Nuge?

Centre isn’t as dire a need for us anymore btw with domi doing fine, kotka looking like a future 1st liner, Poehling in the pipeline and Danault. But obviously Nuge is an improvement on Danault.

Nick Suzuki or Josh Brook would have to be involved.

 

[belair]

You forgot Talbot.

(Also it's not mental weakness.)

It's complete mental weakness. Three blown third period leads in a row. That is unprecedented. This is a team that has figured out how to close those games out in past seasons. The team right now gives up when bad things happen. Hitchcock isn't helping.

And yes, Talbot goes--but that should have already happened. The moment that Koskinen contract got signed, he should have been on the first train out of here. I'd also shop Matt Benning. We've spent assets to acquire Brandon Manning and Alex Petrovic, they should be playing a regular shift. The fact that they aren't is just another example of the disconnect between our still employed scouting department and both coaching staffs.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Backes scratched again for the Bruins.

Any chance the Bruins would consider (with Backes and Lucic's consent):

Backes - full ticket; 2 years remaining at 6M

for

Lucic - Oilers retain 33.333 percent salary retention (making Lucic a 4M AAV player)
3rd Round pick 2021
5th Round pick 2019

Oilers buy out Backes this summer for $10.6667M in real dollars. They retain 33.333% of Lucic's contract at 2M in real dollars for 4 seasons = 8M

Lucic's buy out would be 21.5M if it happened this summer. So the Oilers trade a 3rd and 5th to save 2.83M in real dollars. Bruins get the picks and Lucic (off chance he could bounce back with them).

No on cares about the real dollars. They care about the cap hit

 

[CycloneSweep]

It's complete mental weakness. Three blown third period leads in a row. That is unprecedented. This is a team that has figured out how to close those games out in past seasons. The team right now gives up when bad things happen. Hitchcock isn't helping.

That Anaheim comeback win in the playoffs destroyed this teams confidence entirely.

 

[McSuper]

Last night was the line. Up to 2-1 in the 3rd, close playoff race and Klefbom back. A win gives you hope for the push. A blowout like that is the sign that you owe it to the next GM to clear as much cap as possible for them.

Here's hoping we win a top 2 pick!

Embarrassing but is what Chia left us with . How a GM could be so incompetent is beyond words .
f*** I was just as dumb as I liked the hiring and defended it until last year . I need a good kick in the head or this








Chia in contract negotiation

 

[Little Fury]

It's complete mental weakness. Three blown third period leads in a row. That is unprecedented. This is a team that has figured out how to close those games out in past seasons. The team right now gives up when bad things happen. Hitchcock isn't helping.

I disagree. You could see the seeds of the meltdown growing last night early in the second when Chicago started to take it to them and Talbot had to bail them out again and again. That's not mental weakness, that's a team that doesn't have the talent to hang with even a crap team like Chicago when McDavid and Drai aren't on the ice. It's not psychology.

And yes, Talbot goes--but that should have already happened. The moment that Koskinen contract got signed, he should have been on the first train out of here. I'd also shop Matt Benning. We've spent assets to acquire Brandon Manning and Alex Petrovic, they should be playing a regular shift. The fact that they aren't is just another example of the disconnect between our still employed scouting department and both coaching staffs.

Sunk cost fallacy. They don't help the team, why play them?

 

[Little Fury]

No on cares about the real dollars. They care about the cap hit

The guys signing the cheques do.