Rumor: Rumours and Proposals Thread | Kyle Dubarelli Strikes Again

[Burnt Biscuits]

Someone on this thread mentioned packaging Pulju with Lucic to the Canes. I would do that. It would give us the cap next year to sign Mark Stone, a third line center, and play Andrej Sekera. Here is a capfriendly team where I do that.

Next year - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

That sounds like what it would of cost to move Lucic in the previous off-season, when it was still up in the air if Lucic's offensive game had fallen off a cliff and Pulju had more value, I don't think Pulju alone gets us close in terms of bribing someone to eat that Lucic contract at this point.

If Mark Stone doesn't sign in Ottawa I'm not sure why he'd want to substitute playing for one train wreck of a franchise for another, till we look like a bit less of a disgrace or we overpay we likely won't be landing the "A" tier free agents, we'll likely have to go after the "B" tier or lower free agents.

 

[lakai17]

Puljujarvi for Donato + JFK

How's about some Chris Wagner instead of Jfk? May be a good Kassian replacement. We will have to add.

 

[48g90a138pts]

I wonder if attaching Puljujarvi to Lucic could be enough incentive for someone to take him? A team like Carolina for example makes a lot of sense to me. Owner has said he wants more toughness.. they have Aho and Teravainen who could spark Pulju. They have lots of cap space. They acquired Teravainen in the same sort of deal to take on Bickell. I think Lucic would waive just to get as far away from here as possible.

You can smear Puljujarvi all over Lucic's lips, still got a pig...or something like that.

If there's one org. that the Oilers could muster a winning trade with maybe it's Carolina. You might be on to something. Not too sure what we could get in return though. And I'm not too keen on Hamilton, he's turned into a bottom pairing D man there...ewwww. Or is that just how bad we are and how good they are. Idk.

But the owner seems to be a bird brain so dangling Puljujarvi in front of Lucic might distract him. But the Hurricanes are a cap floor team which would make it near impossible to cram Lucic down their throat. And Carolina is at 43 contracts, could be a window to slip a extra player in Lucic's pocket on his way out.

Do you think they're pissed at us for scooping up Zykov? It was all Chiaturd, hopefully they can forgive us.

 

[Canada Drai]

I hope so.

You never know on here sometimes.

I remember the days of people praying we drafted him. lol.

 

[BarDownBobo]

Kassian is a bit expensive but I love what he brings. I think the oilers would lose a lot of character and nastiness if they trade him, don't think Russell has the same DNA.

Plus we are seeing Kassian thrown in the top 9 and contributing more now. If he wasn't given more time there I wouldn't be surprised to see him pop in 15-18 goals - which makes him ok value for $2mill.

Plus we need someone who can our own rat to ragdoll rats like Tkachuk, Rousell, narchand etc...

Russell might not bring that same element but the team will still be icing Nurse, Larsson, Lucic and Khaira. That's more than enough character and toughness for the lineup, the difference in salary could be a big part of bringing in a legit scorer for the top 6.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Russell might not bring that same element but the team will still be icing Nurse, Larsson, Lucic and Khaira. That's more than enough character and toughness for the lineup, the difference in salary could be a big part of bringing in a legit scorer for the top 6.

Except he’s one of our only wingers who actually gets points in 2019.

 

[guymez]

I remember the days of people praying we drafted him. lol.

Your memory is much better than mine.

 

[BarDownBobo]

Except he’s one of our only wingers who actually gets points in 2019.

He's riding a nice heater with 9 points in 11 games, but that doesn't mean we should forget about his 5 points in the first 41 games of the year. Also I'm not saying trade him for the hell of it or straight up as a cap dump, I'm saying he might have some solid value around the league right now. Cash in at that value while also adding flexibility for next year.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Edmonton scouting Providence Bruins games now as well. If the hopes are for a hockey trade then who are the underperforming RWers in Edmonton that would be worth one of the Bruins top Providence prospects (Donato, JFK, Vaakanianen, Zboril, Senyshyn) that have had NHL time and can play in the NHL?

How has Senyshen looked at the NHL level? IIRC he can skate like he wind but hasn't done much at the AHL level.

 

[The Merchant]

Hey guys, stopping in for a hypothetical if you wouldn't mind humoring me. So let's say the Avs continue to suck and your org decides to go scorched earth for some reason. By some lottery miracle we end up with the 1st and 2nd overall picks this year and we offer them both for McDavid. Two superstar-caliber, cost-controlled assets to help right the ship would be headed your way for the best player on the planet. Would you guys see the value in that and consider it, or say no way? There's a little argument going on in the Avs board disputing if we would do that deal from an Avs perspective, and IMO of course I would pull the trigger on it. If you ever even get the remote possibility of putting arguably the two best centermen in the league on the same team you do that deal 10 times out of ten. But I'm curious to see what the Edmonton perspective would look like.

 

[Pass the Saitl Sauce]

Hey guys, stopping in for a hypothetical if you wouldn't mind humoring me. So let's say the Avs continue to suck and your org decides to go scorched earth for some reason. By some lottery miracle we end up with the 1st and 2nd overall picks this year and we offer them both for McDavid. Two superstar-caliber, cost-controlled assets to help right the ship would be headed your way for the best player on the planet. Would you guys see the value in that and consider it, or say no way? There's a little argument going on in the Avs board disputing if we would do that deal from an Avs perspective, and IMO of course I would pull the trigger on it. If you ever even get the remote possibility of putting arguably the two best centermen in the league on the same team you do that deal 10 times out of ten. But I'm curious to see what the Edmonton perspective would look like.

17 year old Hughes and kakko doesn’t get you 22 year old mcdavid.

Being the best player in the league has its own premium tax. Hughes + rantanen would be closer and avs fans will probably scoff at that

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

Hey guys, stopping in for a hypothetical if you wouldn't mind humoring me. So let's say the Avs continue to suck and your org decides to go scorched earth for some reason. By some lottery miracle we end up with the 1st and 2nd overall picks this year and we offer them both for McDavid. Two superstar-caliber, cost-controlled assets to help right the ship would be headed your way for the best player on the planet. Would you guys see the value in that and consider it, or say no way? There's a little argument going on in the Avs board disputing if we would do that deal from an Avs perspective, and IMO of course I would pull the trigger on it. If you ever even get the remote possibility of putting arguably the two best centermen in the league on the same team you do that deal 10 times out of ten. But I'm curious to see what the Edmonton perspective would look like.

If McDavid demanded a trade, sure. 1st and 2nd overall would be a good basis for a McDavid trade.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Hey guys, stopping in for a hypothetical if you wouldn't mind humoring me. So let's say the Avs continue to suck and your org decides to go scorched earth for some reason. By some lottery miracle we end up with the 1st and 2nd overall picks this year and we offer them both for McDavid. Two superstar-caliber, cost-controlled assets to help right the ship would be headed your way for the best player on the planet. Would you guys see the value in that and consider it, or say no way? There's a little argument going on in the Avs board disputing if we would do that deal from an Avs perspective, and IMO of course I would pull the trigger on it. If you ever even get the remote possibility of putting arguably the two best centermen in the league on the same team you do that deal 10 times out of ten. But I'm curious to see what the Edmonton perspective would look like.

Absolutely not. If he demanded a trade it wouldn't be a bad basis, but we're not trading him unless he wants out.

 

[Bank Shot]

Absolutely not. If he demanded a trade it wouldn't be a bad basis, but we're not trading him unless he wants out.

I wouldn't trade him even if he wanted out. Tough titty. Play out the contract.

 

[Soundwave]

Hey guys, stopping in for a hypothetical if you wouldn't mind humoring me. So let's say the Avs continue to suck and your org decides to go scorched earth for some reason. By some lottery miracle we end up with the 1st and 2nd overall picks this year and we offer them both for McDavid. Two superstar-caliber, cost-controlled assets to help right the ship would be headed your way for the best player on the planet. Would you guys see the value in that and consider it, or say no way? There's a little argument going on in the Avs board disputing if we would do that deal from an Avs perspective, and IMO of course I would pull the trigger on it. If you ever even get the remote possibility of putting arguably the two best centermen in the league on the same team you do that deal 10 times out of ten. But I'm curious to see what the Edmonton perspective would look like.

No way. This years draft isn't even that great.

If McDavid ever demands a trade out he's going to Toronto for Auston Matthews if it ever comes to that.

And even that would devastate the franchise and leave people wanting to string Katz up by the neck.

You don't understand the legacy of the Gretzky trade, it still haunts this franchise to this very day.

Kobe Bryant demanded a trade out of LA at one point, the Lakers didn't comply and eventually he won 2 more championships there. I think the Oilers in that scenario stand their ground and tell him to honor his contract actually because the fan outrage otherwise will be like nothing you've ever seen before.

In either case McDavid is not asking for a trade out so soon. MacKinnon has put up with many poor seasons in Colorado and it looks like another year could be going down the tubes, maybe he is the one asking for a trade out soon. In his 6th season it looks to me like they're still spinning their wheels stuck in the mud and he's blowing up on the bench.

 

[Duder54]

So, now 6pts out of the last WC spot, 2pts out of last in the West.

I think we all know how this story ends...

 

[McJadeddog]

So, now 6pts out of the last WC spot, 2pts out of last in the West.

I think we all know how this story ends...

Most of us knew this answer back in October. Hell, a bunch of us knew the answer back in May, when Chia and the OBC weren't fired after last years BS.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

You can smear Puljujarvi all over Lucic's lips, still got a pig...or something like that.

If there's one org. that the Oilers could muster a winning trade with maybe it's Carolina. You might be on to something. Not too sure what we could get in return though. And I'm not too keen on Hamilton, he's turned into a bottom pairing D man there...ewwww. Or is that just how bad we are and how good they are. Idk.

But the owner seems to be a bird brain so dangling Puljujarvi in front of Lucic might distract him. But the Hurricanes are a cap floor team which would make it near impossible to cram Lucic down their throat. And Carolina is at 43 contracts, could be a window to slip a extra player in Lucic's pocket on his way out.

Do you think they're pissed at us for scooping up Zykov? It was all Chiaturd, hopefully they can forgive us.

A lot of incorrect information here.

1) canes owner hasn’t shown he’s willing to waste money and Lucic is a big waste.
2) Lucic has a nmc (I believe) and canes aren’t going to want to protect him in an expansion draft.
3) Hamilton has been on the Canes top pairing with Slavin since about Jan 1 and has been playing great. He’s not a 3rd pairing D. He was playing with an injury for the first couple months of the season and is now healthy.
4) Canes were probably happy oilers claimed Zykov. They didn’t want him and now don’t have to pay his salary.

I’d be very surprised if the Canes were willing to take on any players like Lucic.

 

[780il]

Hey guys, stopping in for a hypothetical if you wouldn't mind humoring me. So let's say the Avs continue to suck and your org decides to go scorched earth for some reason. By some lottery miracle we end up with the 1st and 2nd overall picks this year and we offer them both for McDavid. Two superstar-caliber, cost-controlled assets to help right the ship would be headed your way for the best player on the planet. Would you guys see the value in that and consider it, or say no way? There's a little argument going on in the Avs board disputing if we would do that deal from an Avs perspective, and IMO of course I would pull the trigger on it. If you ever even get the remote possibility of putting arguably the two best centermen in the league on the same team you do that deal 10 times out of ten. But I'm curious to see what the Edmonton perspective would look like.

No way in hell.

Start with MacKinnon, add Makar, add your 1st

 

[Chabot84]

Unless that 14m going back is Lucic + Sekera + Manning I don't touch that.

Even then, replace Bouchard with something else, like Jones + 2nd.

Yamo + Pulju + unprotected 1st + Jones + 2020 2nd + Lucic + Sekera + Manning

For

Stone + Dzingle

Stone - 7 years x 8.5m
Dzingle - 6 years x 4.5m

Now roll:
Chiasson - Mcdavid - Drai
Dzingle - Nuge - Stone

We'd still need a 3c and a 3rw lol

Im thinking.. and I know the Sens better then the Oilers but know both teams well..

That if you have Stone, you could prob try him with Draisaitl at center. Dzingle is a fast player and might work with Mcdavid. That leaves RNH as an option for third line C.

Dzingle - Mcdavid - ????
Stone - Draisaitl - ???? (Pulj)
???? - RNH - ????

The problem I see with your trade is that we lose Pulj who could prob slot in beside Draisaitl… Stone has been proven to make everyone around him better.. he has taken Tkachuk under his wing.. he could do the same for Pulj and help him reach his full potential.. but now bouchard would have to come back into play for value. Not sure Ottawa does this but if they could all those players come off by the time they want to spend (2021'ish) except for Lucic… is he ever a poison pill if he cant turn his game around lol.. I just think from Ottawa's point of view they would want to see Bouchard + Pulj + 1st that would be a homerun for them obviously. But with Karlsson they took the "6 assets" route.. so maybe they consider your offer? You are technically giving them 3 players that can play on the team.. assuming Sekera comes back and both manning and sekera are gone before their spending window opens up.. leaving just Lucic who would be gone for star of year 3 of their spending window.

So for a 6 million$ cap penalty on two years of their spending window.. and his salary would be much lower.. Sens could gain some decent assets from the Oilers.

I just hope we somehow see Stone, if he has to be traded, go to the Oilers.

 

[Chabot84]

I would love to get Stone and Dizingell in a deal of course they would have to be signed to a deal
To EDM
Stone
Dizingell
To Ottawa
1st
Puljujarvi
Yamamoto
Benning
Manning
Spooner
Manning,Spooner and Benning are all on expiring contracts and Benning is also a legit right shot dman. Yes a third pairing but still with value.
Trade Russell and Kaisian In the off season and we have two legit scoring lines. We will still be stuck with Lucic but that will have to wait until next year. We still have decent prospects coming through the system that will need 2-3 yrs.

You need to clear up at least 14 million$ in cap space to sign both Stone and Dzingle. That's the problem.

 

[PKSpecialist]

A lot of incorrect information here.

1) canes owner hasn’t shown he’s willing to waste money and Lucic is a big waste.
2) Lucic has a nmc (I believe) and canes aren’t going to want to protect him in an expansion draft.
3) Hamilton has been on the Canes top pairing with Slavin since about Jan 1 and has been playing great. He’s not a 3rd pairing D. He was playing with an injury for the first couple months of the season and is now healthy.
4) Canes were probably happy oilers claimed Zykov. They didn’t want him and now don’t have to pay his salary.

I’d be very surprised if the Canes were willing to take on any players like Lucic.

If Lucic waives his NMC,is that clause not void? Meaning he would no longer have to be protected in an expansion draft? That was my understanding, but I haven’t studied the CBA like some others.

 

[Hemsky is a gangsta]

I wonder if we can do something similar to the O'Reilly to St. Louis trade that happened this past summer. Buffalo took back 2 contracts to make the salary even out.

 

[Canovin]

Jack Hughes is like the Kylo Ren to McDavid's Darth Vader. Similar in everything they do except McDavid does it better. By a lot.

RNH might be a comparison. Hughes has a higher hockey IQ and better hands than RNH but possesses a muffin of a shot


Oops. Wrong thread.

 

[dirtisdirt]

Any McDavid deal would mean the Oilers lose regardless of return. What he represents to the community, the box office and jersey sales won't be replicated, yet alone what he provides for on-ice entertainment. If he was to be traded it would be a colossal loss.