Rumoured deal benefits small-market teams

[OilerFan4Life]

Apparently, the persecution complex is so high among some fans of "poorer" teams that they can't even see the obvious point made in the beginning of this thread: the rumored new CBA system actually will benefit their teams! It will be markedly superior ("fairer") compared to the current CBA.

It's a good thing! Check it out. Take a deep breath. And be happy if it comes to pass. Your teams, if managed properly, may very well succeed both on and off the ice, under the new (rumored) CBA.

Sorry if we can't guarantee you and your team anything more than that.

lol.....and Islander fan commenting on other teams poor management.....Oh breaking news Milbury has traded another young player with potential for some bum.

 

[kerrly]

lol.....and Islander fan commenting on other teams poor management.....Oh breaking news Milbury has traded another young player with potential for some bum.

And signed Yashin to a 12 year contract extension worth, 10 million a season.

 

[OilerFan4Life]

Yeah and Oilers fans will see what a real Stanley cup celebration looks like.

Yes I believe we've seen 5, and not to mention one of the greatest dynasties in NHL history. For you 37 and counting. And no im not referring to your average team age.

 

[dawgbone]

thats because they dealt the one they had before his contract was up (Mogilny)

they did have to deal with Bure refusing to sign a new deal.
they did deal with many of their support players leaving (Cassels, Lumme, Ronning, Lachance and Messier).
they have dealt with the same poor CDN $ too.

so whats EDM's excuse ?

dr

Edmonton's excuse for what? And what exactly has Vancouver done anyways?

Just Curious... apparantly the Nuck's are some sort of upper echelon team... but I was pretty sure you had to do something in the playoffs to be considered that.

 

[SuperNintendoChalmrs]

And signed Yashin to a 12 year contract extension worth, 10 million a season.

Owners Wang and Kumar go to White Castle.

 

[dawgbone]

Apparently, the persecution complex is so high among some fans of "poorer" teams that they can't even see the obvious point made in the beginning of this thread: the rumored new CBA system actually will benefit their teams! It will be markedly superior ("fairer") compared to the current CBA.

That's sort of like a kick in the nuts from a kick boxer is better than one from a mule. I still haven't heard anything that changes the dynamics of the league from the old CBA to the new proposal.

It still encourages teams to shell out $50+ mil in payrolls in a league that doesn't have the resources necessary to do it.

It's a good thing! Check it out. Take a deep breath. And be happy if it comes to pass. Your teams, if managed properly, may very well succeed both on and off the ice, under the new (rumored) CBA.

I still don't see many of the benefits, and the PA/rich crowd doesn't seem to be willing to go through them. They'll point at them and say there they are... except they are waving their finger around pointing at empty space.

Fact of the matter is, this proposal does nothing to change the fact that Toronto or whoever will always have a much higher payroll than 90% of the teams out there... regardless of how well they did. The NYR go into rebuilding mode with a $50+ mil payroll.

This has absolutely nothing to do with success allowing your team to cash in... I could at least live with it if that was the case. It's an unbalanced league, filled with complete morons who happen to run some of the richest (revenue wise) teams in the league. Teams who's financial decisions have a ripple effect on every other team.

That's what some of you guys don't grasp. It has nothing to do with being able to afford such and such a player, or 2 of them. It's the fact that when you agree to a contract with them, it raises the bar every single time for other teams to sign other players... whether they be better, similar or worse.

That is the biggest problem. I'm sure all the Leaf fans here would love it if 15 teams folded, because quite frankly, it's the only way they will ever win another Stanley Cup. Vancouver fans love things now, but 6 years ago they'd be stomping around with their hand out too, and very well may be in that position in 2 years... There is very little thought to the fact that maybe, just maybe the current state of the NHL is a direct reflection on their teams. When money wasn't the huge issue over 10 years ago, the product was significantly better. In that time, players have gotten faster, equipment better, coaching better, but the on-ice level of entertainment has dropped like a stone. Do fans ever consider the fact that for a team like Columbus or Minnesota to win, they have to turn hockey into a soccer game? Wouldn't it be much better, as a league wide product if the actual game was better?

Sorry if we can't guarantee you and your team anything more than that.

Who's we? Why do you think you have any importance to put your self in a category to guarantee anything?

 

[Trottier]

lol.....and Islander fan commenting on other teams poor management.....Oh breaking news Milbury has traded another young player with potential for some bum.

Thanks for proving my point, 'ol "chip-on-the-shoulder-woe-is-me-fan-of-a-bottom feeder". (This applies to Kerrly as well, who should know better by now.)

No kidding that the team I root for has poor management, genius! Which is why, despite having a $40MM+ payroll, NYI is a borderline playoff team, and has been eliminated the last two springs by teams with lower payrolls (and better management)!

I know first-hand that a smaller payroll is not an excuse for failure. Nor is a higher payroll a guarantee of anything.

But your type keep insisting otherwise.

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

Edmonton's excuse for what? And what exactly has Vancouver done anyways?

Just Curious... apparantly the Nuck's are some sort of upper echelon team... but I was pretty sure you had to do something in the playoffs to be considered that.

well if you go back to the context of what i was commenting on .. the poster said something to the effect that "sure VAN and OTT are ok now ..."

by the time i said "whats EDM's excuse", it was in the context that if VAN and OTT are ok now, why isnt EDM and whats their excuse ?

dr

 

[Charge_Seven]

Or the leafs use there franchise tag on there overpayed, overrated captain and are under the cap.

Overrated Captain? That's a real intelligent post...one of the most consistent players of our era...overpayed maybe, overrated never.

 

[Trottier]

Who's we? Why do you think you have any importance to put your self in a category to guarantee anything?

Metaphorical "we", my friend. Sorry you are so literal in your reading. Newsflash: I'm well aware that your studied opinion on this matter, as well as mine, are meaningless. Unless, of course you are a player or an owner, of course.

Might want to save your "importance" swipe at your friends here who come out with hyperbolic, self-absorbed "the league is doomed!," "I will never watch the game again!," How dare they do this to us!" lines. Not me. I'm just a capitalisitc free-market type reveling in debating those who live in a world of class envy and socialistic economic values.

(BTW, the rest of your post was a good read. Don't agree with much of what you said, but it was engaging and thoughtful, nonetheless. )

 

[The Legend]

I still don't see many of the benefits, and the PA/rich crowd doesn't seem to be willing to go through them. They'll point at them and say there they are... except they are waving their finger around pointing at empty space.

Fact of the matter is, this proposal does nothing to change the fact that Toronto or whoever will always have a much higher payroll than 90% of the teams out there... regardless of how well they did. The NYR go into rebuilding mode with a $50+ mil payroll.

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That's what some of you guys don't grasp. It has nothing to do with being able to afford such and such a player, or 2 of them. It's the fact that when you agree to a contract with them, it raises the bar every single time for other teams to sign other players... whether they be better, similar or worse.

Why should the P.A be put at fault for the contracts the owners sign them to? If the Owners as a group are so commited, then they could easily keep the contracts down.

And secondly, in the rumoured deal, any team at 50 plus would not be allowed.

And the last point, who the hell cares if Toronto has the highest payroll? Somebody does, and as long as they're close, why does it matter?

You claim you're against the P.A/Rich guys, but a hard cap would cause the Leafs, the most profitable team in the NHL, to just make a bigger profit, helping them to become more rich. They're just making more money.

What would you rather?

The Leafs spend 45 million, and turn a profit of 35 million

or

The Leafs spend 60 million, turn a profit of 20 million, and doll out 20 million dollars by themselves to be used by smaller market teams

 

[CarlRacki]

Why should the P.A be put at fault for the contracts the owners sign them to? If the Owners as a group are so commited, then they could easily keep the contracts down.

The owners acting as a group to keep salaries down is called collusion and it's against the law.
The fact of the matter is, 28 owners can try to keep salaries down, but if a couple are willing to spend like drunken sailors it ruins it for everyone.

 

[Phanuthier*]

In response to leafs4thecup:

Why should the P.A be put at fault for the contracts the owners sign them to? If the Owners as a group are so commited, then they could easily keep the contracts down.
The PA isn't at fault for the current financial disaster the league is in. The owners are. However, what is needed right now is a system to protect the owners from themselves.

What the PA is guilty of is splitting the large markets from the medium's and small's, creating massive inflation where (as said before) the bar raises every year.

And the last point, who the hell cares if Toronto has the highest payroll? Somebody does, and as long as they're close, why does it matter?
I don't care about the Leafs. I care about a system where my Flames are able to compete equally (or almost equally) for a player's services rather then have the same 10 teams make the playoffs and contend for the cup each year while the rest of the 6 is a crapshoot (even though these 6 have really pulled their weight in the past few years).

You claim you're against the P.A/Rich guys, but a hard cap would cause the Leafs, the most profitable team in the NHL, to just make a bigger profit, helping them to become more rich. They're just making more money.
I couldn't care less how much the Leafs make. A cap and revenue sharing would enable all teams profit all the same. How much the Leafs make have little revalence to how much the Flames make as long as its a level playing field IMO.

 

[OilerFan4Life]

Thanks for proving my point, 'ol "chip-on-the-shoulder-woe-is-me-fan-of-a-bottom feeder". (This applies to Kerrly as well, who should know better by now.)

No kidding that the team I root for has poor management, genius! Which is why, despite having a $40MM+ payroll, NYI is a borderline playoff team, and has been eliminated the last two springs by teams with lower payrolls (and better management)!

I know first-hand that a smaller payroll is not an excuse for failure. Nor is a higher payroll a guarantee of anything.

But your type keep insisting otherwise.

Ummm....I believe your first post was insulting small market teams mismanagement buddy.

It's a good thing! Check it out. Take a deep breath. And be happy if it comes to pass. Your teams, if managed properly, may very well succeed both on and off the ice, under the new (rumored) CBA.

 

[OilerFan4Life]

thats because they dealt the one they had before his contract was up (Mogilny)

they did have to deal with Bure refusing to sign a new deal.
they did deal with many of their support players leaving (Cassels, Lumme, Ronning, Lachance and Messier).
they have dealt with the same poor CDN $ too.

so whats EDM's excuse ?

dr

Im not sure what your referring to. The reason we havent been able to keep our good players??? Well unlike on the west coast, we on the prairies dont use excuses. Plain and simple Glen Sather left a huge mess here and the sad truth is that Lowe has had to deal with a team that drafted terribly before he came here. so if your asking me what our "excuse" is Id say poor drafting has hurt this team more then anything. Besides the oilers and nucks have both won the same number of playoff series the last 10 years, 2 apiece.

Now my question for you. Not to many teams in this league can say that they've been in the league for 25+ years without winning a cup. So whats your excuse?

 

[NorthOiler]

Im not sure what your referring to. The reason we havent been able to keep our good players??? Well unlike on the west coast, we on the prairies dont use excuses. Plain and simple Glen Sather left a huge mess here and the sad truth is that Lowe has had to deal with a team that drafted terribly before he came here. so if your asking me what our "excuse" is Id say poor drafting has hurt this team more then anything. Besides the oilers and nucks have both won the same number of playoff series the last 10 years, 2 apiece.

Now my question for you. Not to many teams in this league can say that they've been in the league for 25+ years without winning a cup. So whats your excuse?

More like 35 years and no cup :lol