Bryanbryoil
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No tricks. No treats. No trades. No problem.
Posted by @Risingwind late in the last thread.
"It's been a while since my last time here. Saw a Puljujärvi video that might be of interest regarding his trade value. Too bad there doesn't seem to be any translation provided. It's a retired player from the Liiga who fools around and does these types of interviews with players. The answers paint a general picture of how things went for JP from the beginning of 2016 to now. A lot of it was old news, but it's good to get a confirmation on some things.
Some notes from the video:
Overall I feel a lot more confident about his trade value after hearing this interview, since he stated that he does aim to return and is only staying in Finland to facilitate returning. He gives off a calmer and more collected air now than in the past, which lends credence to when he says that he has done a lot of growing up during these past couple years. It wasn't talked about in the video at all, but to me it seems obvious that this Liiga thing is just an alternative for AHL in his case, since the old management burned his waiver-free years.
- After the U20 championship and MVP, he came over feeling very confident about things working out
- He cites his lack of English skill as the main reason he felt alienated in the locker room
- He said his 3 years around NA and this season talking in English with the 3 foreign players in Kärpät has made his English overall a lot better, and that he can discuss things in English in the locker room (with a noticeable accent)
- He didn't specify if he's going to come over next summer or not, leaving the option for another Liiga year on the table, only saying that the next time he crosses the pond he has to feel like he has a realistic shot at being a regular player in the NHL (he didn't say it but I thought it was implied that he's not looking to return to a bottom-6 role)
- He talked about developing over the 3 years in the Oilers org and this year in Kärpät, and evaluated that he has been able to take great strides forward during all of them, and especially this season
- He specified that the area he felt he had the most development this year is consistency from night to night and shift to shift
- He was happy that he could score in the Euro Hockey Tour and play there in a good role, which is higher level than Liiga at least
- There were some talks in December about him going back with the NHL clause, but he didn't go into the specifics, just that nothing came out of it
- He didn't touch any of the controversial stuff, agent wasn't mentioned even once, and the interviewer avoided going there either
- Only Oiler players he talked about were McDavid and Draisaitl and he praised them both
JP for Athanasiou+ next summer?
Though if looking at it from the expansion draft perspective maybe it would actually be best for him to play a second year in Finland before trading, since he could very well get a better return then. The Oilers are in a bit of an expansion bind anyway, and they may want to even protect 3F/5D to be honest, so they would be leaving players like Yamamoto open in that case. I doubt Seattle would take Athanasiou over Yamo, and if they did then that would just equal letting JP walk, which is a perfectly fine way to clear the expansion draft."
Posted by @Risingwind late in the last thread.
"It's been a while since my last time here. Saw a Puljujärvi video that might be of interest regarding his trade value. Too bad there doesn't seem to be any translation provided. It's a retired player from the Liiga who fools around and does these types of interviews with players. The answers paint a general picture of how things went for JP from the beginning of 2016 to now. A lot of it was old news, but it's good to get a confirmation on some things.
Some notes from the video:
Overall I feel a lot more confident about his trade value after hearing this interview, since he stated that he does aim to return and is only staying in Finland to facilitate returning. He gives off a calmer and more collected air now than in the past, which lends credence to when he says that he has done a lot of growing up during these past couple years. It wasn't talked about in the video at all, but to me it seems obvious that this Liiga thing is just an alternative for AHL in his case, since the old management burned his waiver-free years.
- After the U20 championship and MVP, he came over feeling very confident about things working out
- He cites his lack of English skill as the main reason he felt alienated in the locker room
- He said his 3 years around NA and this season talking in English with the 3 foreign players in Kärpät has made his English overall a lot better, and that he can discuss things in English in the locker room (with a noticeable accent)
- He didn't specify if he's going to come over next summer or not, leaving the option for another Liiga year on the table, only saying that the next time he crosses the pond he has to feel like he has a realistic shot at being a regular player in the NHL (he didn't say it but I thought it was implied that he's not looking to return to a bottom-6 role)
- He talked about developing over the 3 years in the Oilers org and this year in Kärpät, and evaluated that he has been able to take great strides forward during all of them, and especially this season
- He specified that the area he felt he had the most development this year is consistency from night to night and shift to shift
- He was happy that he could score in the Euro Hockey Tour and play there in a good role, which is higher level than Liiga at least
- There were some talks in December about him going back with the NHL clause, but he didn't go into the specifics, just that nothing came out of it
- He didn't touch any of the controversial stuff, agent wasn't mentioned even once, and the interviewer avoided going there either
- Only Oiler players he talked about were McDavid and Draisaitl and he praised them both
JP for Athanasiou+ next summer?
Though if looking at it from the expansion draft perspective maybe it would actually be best for him to play a second year in Finland before trading, since he could very well get a better return then. The Oilers are in a bit of an expansion bind anyway, and they may want to even protect 3F/5D to be honest, so they would be leaving players like Yamamoto open in that case. I doubt Seattle would take Athanasiou over Yamo, and if they did then that would just equal letting JP walk, which is a perfectly fine way to clear the expansion draft."
Any word when Benning may be back? I feel like that might be the time we see Holland make a move. I wonder what a Khaira/Jones package could land?
Tippett said he won’t be back until after the all star break so he is out for the next 3 games / 2 and a half weeks. Oilers next game after the break isn’t until the 29th vs the heathen Flames.
I think Khaira / Jones brings us an experienced middle 6 forward with a year term left on his deal after this one.
I would rather see them package up Khaira/Lagesson and a pick.
Jones is going to be a good NHL dman.
I appreciate the update and summary, thank you. Normally I place about 80% of development responsibility on the player but with Pool Party I feel the Oilers are equal in this blue chip pedigree player slipping so badly off the rails. Clearly as a teenager Puljujärvi was not ready emotionally or in his game to make such a big jump to North American lifestyle and NHL level competition. This 'right-sized' development year sounds like he's working on things he can control that are essential to future NHL success: learning English language, developing consistency in his game, and obviously rebuilding his confidence.
The video clearly shows this guy's impressive physical tool kit. The challenge and issue is what he has between his ears. Regaining his confidence against realistic - sub-par NHL - competition is a critical component of his development. But the question will be can he think the game well enough at the NHL level to realize his potential as a top two line player. I'm not sure the hockey IQ is there. But regardless, Puljujärvi is too valuable imo to be given away for pennies on the dollar.
I'm with Holland's position to maintain his rights - indefinitely if required - to get a quality return. Would be onboard though with the idea of flipping him for a prime years Athanasiou whose NHL proven and has some team control.
At the same time I feel like Jones has more value than Lagesson.I would rather see them package up Khaira/Lagesson and a pick.
Jones is going to be a good NHL dman.
Any word when Benning may be back? I feel like that might be the time we see Holland make a move. I wonder what a Khaira/Jones package could land?
The moment JP ignored the Oilers requests to get better at the English language, not sure how the Oilers would be equal in blame.
I've said in his rookie year that JP was never seeing the NHL as a job but just a game and got ripped by so many here. At least now he realizes he's got to put his big boy pants on and work hard.
Having said that, if he finally has his epiphany and will to let bygones be bygones, I wouldn't mind him back and this coming from someone that loathed his game/character. Oilers are so devoid of talent on the wings, beggars can't be choosers.
If that's not possible, barring a trade we can win, I hope Holland just leaves him in Finland
The Oilers arranged extra English lessons for JP and he didn’t show up.The moment JP ignored the Oilers requests to get better at the English language, not sure how the Oilers would be equal in blame.
I've said in his rookie year that JP was never seeing the NHL as a job but just a game and got ripped by so many here. At least now he realizes he's got to put his big boy pants on and work hard.
Having said that, if he finally has his epiphany and willing to let bygones be bygones, I wouldn't mind him back and this coming from someone that loathed his game/character. Oilers are so devoid of talent on the wings, beggars can't be choosers.
If that's not possible, barring a trade we can win, I hope Holland just leaves him in Finland
At the same time I feel like Jones has more value than Lagesson.
The Oilers arranged extra English lessons for JP and he didn’t show up.
And how is that going to turn him into a potential trading asset?jp is a waste of time and money . If the jackass does not want to play in Edmonton than make him sit, useless pos
Valid point.
Jones is such a good skater...he just needs more NHL experience.
Its really tough to give up on a player like that.