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YakDavid

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Luongo is the guy who jumps to mind (young, signed long-term, legitimate number 1), but that was ages ago.

Edit: When he was traded to Vancouver; although, he was very good when he went back to Florida too.
Good call. Yeah it’s not very often.
 
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2022 1st + 2023 2nd + conditional pick + Skinner + Benson + Koskinen for Gibson.

Who says no?
I would think Anaheim could probably get a better first pick plus a blue chip prospect plus maybe another asset from another bidder if they were taking a cap dump back. I’d think an offer like that would trump that proposal. Every team has maybes and tweeners like Benson and Skinner.
 
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I would think Anaheim could probably get a better first pick plus a blue chip prospect plus maybe another asset from another bidder if they were taking a cap dump back. I’d think an offer like that would trump that proposal. Every team has maybes and tweeners like Benson and Skinner.

Pittsburgh, for example, would blow that deal out of the water to get rid of Jarry (who is cheaper and better than Koskinen--or at least as good) and bring in their native Yinzer in Gibson.
 

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You keep making weird statements about Bouchard not being able to move up until Keith retired, which makes zero sense as they play opposite sides.

I explained this: both he and Keith are PMD and Tippett likes to run PMD-shutdown pairs.

Then you mention Barrie/Ceci are here for awhile so Bouchard is being blocked.

There's absolutely no reason Bouchard can't play his way above either Ceci/ Barrie.

If you're an NHL coach who wants to win hockey games, you aren't dropping Barrie down the lineup where he will get murdered.
 

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You keep making weird statements about Bouchard not being able to move up until Keith retired, which makes zero sense as they play opposite sides.

Then you mention Barrie/Ceci are here for awhile so Bouchard is being blocked.

There's absolutely no reason Bouchard can't play his way above either Ceci/ Barrie.

Just cuz Tipp may start him off slowly doesn't mean he won't earn more icetime.

Also, Dobson, Sergachev, Krug, Josi, to name a few started in shelterd roles, and they are just fine.
Not every dman has to follow the Hughes/Makar model

even Makar started behind Barrie in the playoffs when he was first used, but it didnt take long before Barrie was expendable.......i dont see anything resembling that same scenario here....except everything
 
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I hear you but the difference is that they have a 3rd line capable of scoring this season as opposed to two 4th lines the last several seasons so they can afford to designate one of those lines for more defensive assignments. I think Ryan, who is a pretty good possession player and steady defensive guy, would be good for Archibald at 5 on 5. Hopefully, one of the young guys supplants Shore in that role as the season wears on.

Also, I see McLeod as a better fit for the Foegele line and Ryan a better fit for the Archibald line so I think it makes sense to start with that instead of pigeon holing the centers into lines that don't really suit their strengths like McLeod on a checking line and Ryan on a scoring line.

In any event, I'm sure different combos will be tinkered with until they find something that works.

The third line scoring will be nice, but I don't know if it makes a huge difference. The Haas/Chiasson/etc line wasn't really an issue last season. They didn't score, but they didn't get scored on. It was the Archibald/Shore/Khaira line that was getting murdered and probably 90% of the team's depth issues. The third line will either have to outscore the negatives of the fourth line or we'll need to see a big improvement from the fourth line at 5v5 to see much of a difference.

I think classifying Shore/x/Archibald as a checking line is definitely a misnomer. Both of them have been in the bottom 1% for worst defensive forwards at 5v5 their entire careers. Those are two guys that should be sheltered as much as possible if you want them on the team to PK. That's a good fit for McLeod since he should likely be heavily sheltered too if he makes the roster.

We're probably wasting our time discussing it though since I'd bet money on stubborn Tipp sending out Shore and Archibald for defensive zone faceoffs and watching them give up 15 extra goals at 5v5 because they can prevent 5 on the PK.
 
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You keep making weird statements about Bouchard not being able to move up until Keith retired, which makes zero sense as they play opposite sides.

Then you mention Barrie/Ceci are here for awhile so Bouchard is being blocked.

There's absolutely no reason Bouchard can't play his way above either Ceci/ Barrie.

Just cuz Tipp may start him off slowly doesn't mean he won't earn more icetime.

Also, Dobson, Sergachev, Krug, Josi, to name a few started in shelterd roles, and they are just fine.
Not every dman has to follow the Hughes/Makar model
The Hughes/Makar method only works on players of that caliber.

Plus the benefit of having a guy like him on an ELC is you can have a guy like Ceci on the bottom pairing.

And with how surprisingly tradeable the Barrie contract is if Bouchard explodes and makes Barrie a non factor you can trade him
 

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The third line scoring will be nice, but I don't know if it makes a huge difference. The Haas/Chiasson/etc line wasn't really an issue last season. They didn't score, but they didn't get scored on. It was the Archibald/Shore/Khaira line that was getting murdered and probably 90% of the team's depth issues. The third line will either have to outscore the negatives of the fourth line or we'll need to see a big improvement from the fourth line at 5v5 to see much of a difference.

I think classifying Shore/x/Archibald as a checking line is definitely a misnomer. Both of them have been in the bottom 1% for worst defensive forwards at 5v5 their entire careers. Those are two guys that should be sheltered as much as possible if you want them on the team to PK. That's a good fit for McLeod since he should likely be heavily sheltered too if he makes the roster.

We're probably wasting our time discussing it though since I'd bet money on stubborn Tipp sending out Shore and Archibald for defensive zone faceoffs and watching them give up 15 extra goals at 5v5 because they can prevent 5 on the PK.

i think the shift is, if the 3rd line can score and the 4th can not get scored on then we are significantly better off, It allows the oilers to keep 29/97 on separate lines well into the 3rd period. playing with a lead is way easier than having to roll 29-97-13 and then hope your other 3 dont get caved in.
 

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The Hughes/Makar method only works on players of that caliber.

Plus the benefit of having a guy like him on an ELC is you can have a guy like Ceci on the bottom pairing.

And with how surprisingly tradeable the Barrie contract is if Bouchard explodes and makes Barrie a non factor you can trade him

How's he going to explode when Barrie gets all the offensive opportunities?
 

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i think the shift is, if the 3rd line can score and the 4th can not get scored on then we are significantly better off, It allows the oilers to keep 29/97 on separate lines well into the 3rd period. playing with a lead is way easier than having to roll 29-97-13 and then hope your other 3 dont get caved in.
I think dnicks point is that a 4th line featuring Shore and Archibald is highly unlikely to not get scored on.
 
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i think the shift is, if the 3rd line can score and the 4th can not get scored on then we are significantly better off, It allows the oilers to keep 29/97 on separate lines well into the 3rd period. playing with a lead is way easier than having to roll 29-97-13 and then hope your other 3 dont get caved in.

That's the issue there though and basically my point.

Archibald and Shore are horrendous defensive players at 5v5. If you want a 4th line that doesn't get scored on, they aren't the guys you want on it. Especially if Tipp keeps throwing them out there as some kind of defensive specialist line.
 

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Tippett says Smith, Koskinen, and Stalock will come into camp and hopefully give good goaltending.

I know he's not gonna bury Koskinen in public lol, but disappointing if true.

I know its dissapointing but I almost feel like at this point, better to just start the season with them and address it before the trade deadline. Koskinens contract will be easy to move at the trade deadline if he infact doesnt play well. Pretty much all the other goalies are lateral moves at this point. I will say that, it is really risky for Holland to not address the goaltending though.
 

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I think dnicks point is that a 4th line featuring Shore and Archibald is highly unlikely to not get scored on.

thats a fair point, but i think the opportunity to have mcleod ( a fast tenacious forechecker) and/or Ryan (good face off player and strong in his own zone) as the C may deflect some of that away helping to improve the numbers. I think they will be even higher if you replace shore with Holloway. The signing of hyman kinda makes shore unneeded on the PK
 
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thats a fair point, but i think the opportunity to have mcleod ( a fast tenacious forechecker) and/or Ryan (good face off player and strong in his own zone) as the C may deflect some of that away helping to improve the numbers. I think they will be even higher if you replace shore with Holloway. The signing of hyman kinda makes shore unneeded on the PK

That's another issue with this "fourth line of PKers" I have.

They just added three top-end PKers in Hyman, Ryan and Foegele. RNH is still here. Yamo and McLeod both showed promise there. Hell, even Kassian has had really good results in the past.

They've got more than enough PK options that can actually play at 5v5 to not have some scrubs on the 4th line to do it while torpedoing the team at 5v5.
 

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That's another issue with this "fourth line of PKers" I have.

They just added three top-end PKers in Hyman, Ryan and Foegele. RNH is still here. Yamo and McLeod both showed promise there. Hell, even Kassian has had really good results in the past.

They've got more than enough PK options that can actually play at 5v5 to not have some scrubs on the 4th line to do it while torpedoing the team at 5v5.

i completely agree, which in my mind means if you have top 9 players to effectively PK then you still have a 4th line that you will give sheltered minutes to, so why not have holloway/mcleod/ archibald and try to use their offensive upside to outscore other teams 4th lines.
 
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