Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread: Hallsy Take 2?

[Bryanbryoil]

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[Joey Moss]

@belair

John Tavares is 29 right now, don't think the Leafs would re-do that one.

Hall will be a good player for a long time with his skating ability.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I personally would not offer up our 1st round pick in this upcoming draft for Hall. Sooner or later we will need some cheap ELC forward help to get us over the top. I'd offer something like this: Jones/Lagesson, Marody/Benson/Puljujarvi, Gagner (cap)/Larsson, '20 2nd, Conditional '21 2nd (condition is that he re-signs with us). If Larsson is involved then one or both of the 2nds are no longer in play.

 

[Canovin]

@belair

John Tavares is 29 right now, don't think the Leafs would re-do that one.

Hall will be a good player for a long time with his skating ability.

Leafs also didn't give up anything for Tavares

 

[belair]

@belair

John Tavares is 29 right now, don't think the Leafs would re-do that one.

Hall will be a good player for a long time with his skating ability.

I've already mentioned the Leafs being a terrible example when speaking of cap commitments. Their defense will be a victim in short order due to their frivolous spending up front.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Crazy idea, with the Stars just an utter disaster if they continued to be so, I wonder if Holland could make a play for Klingberg. He's 27, with 2 more years left. I'm not suggesting he would come cheap, but it would certainly be someone to look at. And no, you don't trade Bouchard for him

 

[PBandJ]

@belair

John Tavares is 29 right now, don't think the Leafs would re-do that one.

Hall will be a good player for a long time with his skating ability.

All the Leafs gave up was money.

Trading for Hall will require a 1st + top prospect just to begin the conversation on top of gifting him $10m for an extension.

f*** that noise.

 

[joestevens29]

Crazy idea, with the Stars just an utter disaster if they continued to be so, I wonder if Holland could make a play for Klingberg. He's 27, with 2 more years left. I'm not suggesting he would come cheap, but it would certainly be someone to look at. And no, you don't trade Bouchard for him

I don't know that they could afford to get rid of him unless it was a hockey trade bringing back good assets that can play now.

I just don't know what we could give up that they'd want. They don't really need RNH.

As it is they need help on defense too. Sekera playing 21 minutes isn't working to well for them. Has anyone looked at how they are playing their defense? 4 main guys and then guys playing 9-13 minutes on bottom pairing. Not good for a team that hoped to contend

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Hall will be a 10+ million dollar player and can't stay healthy...no chance we can fit him under the cap

 

[Canovin]

All the Leafs gave up was money.

Trading for Hall will require a 1st + top prospect just to begin the conversation on top of gifting him $10m for an extension.

**** that noise.

Might as well ask for Ehlers or a similar calibre player if that's the asking price

 

[Little Fury]

All the Leafs gave up was money.

Trading for Hall will require a 1st + top prospect just to begin the conversation on top of gifting him $10m for an extension.

**** that noise.

Yeah we don't need scoring depth.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

I'm just worried how we will pay Bouchard, Broberg, Samorukov, Bear if they even come close to their potential. It almost feels like a given that we will be paying one of them Number 1 defensemen money and I just don't know how we will do that if Hall wants 11 million.
And I am not too keen paying Hall more than Draisaitl. I would try to negotiate something similar but not more than Draisaitls contract.
Plus we also have RNH and Nurse contract to deal with coming up.

We will be definitely be losing 1 or 2 very good players to fit Hall back into the roster.

Sorry, but Hall at 11 million will probably kill our ability to bring in good role players and depth.

Even around 8.5 Million, I'd be hesitant but at least we may be able to add good role player with that little extra cap.

Obviously the media is using the Hall back to Edmonton as a headline for controversy. So, we have to take the rumors that Hall would be interested in coming back with a grain of salt.

Right now, having Holland in the seat. He will do what's best for the club. So, I'm curious what he will do but, dare I say, I feel confident he will make a good decision.

Edit: I believe in waiting until free agency (if he reaches it).
I don't like the assets the media is throwing around for us to trade for him.

 

[Little Fury]

Might as well ask for Ehlers or a similar calibre player if that's the asking price

Do people think what should be a middling first-rounder and a prospect is a king's ransom or something?

 

[5 14 6 1]

Hall would be an interesting rental come the deadline if we were a contender and NJD are out of it.

 

[Snowpants]

Do people think what should be a middling first-rounder and a prospect is a king's ransom or something?

to be fair we have not been in a position to trade our first for many years I can see how some people might forget that is what good teams do at the deadline

 

[PBandJ]

Hall at the $10m he's going to be demanding will be worse than the Lucic contract, just as fast as Lucic was.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I don't know that they could afford to get rid of him unless it was a hockey trade bringing back good assets that can play now.

I just don't know what we could give up that they'd want. They don't really need RNH.

As it is they need help on defense too. Sekera playing 21 minutes isn't working to well for them. Has anyone looked at how they are playing their defense? 4 main guys and then guys playing 9-13 minutes on bottom pairing. Not good for a team that hoped to contend

I'm suspecting if they're planning to head in a different direction...though that's not exactly possible given the contract status on the players, they're likely in it for the long haul

 

[Canovin]

Do people think what should be a middling first-rounder and a prospect is a king's ransom or something?

Oilers are in cap hell. So yes, we could use good players on ELC. Look at Barzal he was picked in the mid 1st

 

[Pointteen]

I personally would not offer up our 1st round pick in this upcoming draft for Hall. Sooner or later we will need some cheap ELC forward help to get us over the top. I'd offer something like this: Jones/Lagesson, Marody/Benson/Puljujarvi, Gagner (cap)/Larsson, '20 2nd, Conditional '21 2nd (condition is that he re-signs with us). If Larsson is involved then one or both of the 2nds are no longer in play.

You're right, but I think it will be later and our D is suddenly looking like it might be cheaper due to Bear and company

 

[FlameChampion]

In regards to Hall, I think you have to just view him as a rental at this point. I think it depends on the price.

I think the contract that he gets, is going to be regrettable for some team. He is just too injury prone and inconsistent. On a team like the Devils it probably makes sense but on the Oilers, with our cap situation, I just cant see it.

 

[PBandJ]

Yeah we don't need scoring depth.

There's better, cheaper ways to add scoring depth than giving an injury prone, my way or no way scoring winger $10m or more.

 

[aspin3]

We are not contenders this year why would we pay so much for Hall as a rental? If he really wants to be here he will sign here as a UFA.

 

[Jumptheshark]

IF you guys are seriously talking about getting Hall--

math is simple to a point

we move out both Nuge and Russell and replace them with players on league min

we are winning due to smoke and mirrors--as some point in time we need scoring from our bottom 6 and whether we like it or not--we need to spend some money down there to get guys who can score

here is the question and I have already done the research on it

"After 7 games, how many goals have the Oilers scored without McDavid or Leon D ON THE ICE"?

the on the ice part is the key

and to further make my point

here are our bottom 6 when injuries and other stuff are factored into it

Jujhar Khaira

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Markus Granlund
Riley Sheahan
Josh Archibald
Colby Cave
Gaetan Haas
Tomas Jurco
Joakim Nygard

I am sure I am missing someone on that list

how many goals do they have? How many assists do they have?

i have the top two lines being

Leon-McDavid-Kassian
Neal-Nuge-Chaisson

#	Name	Pos	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	Birthdate	Age	Birthplace	Hght	Wght
97	Connor McDavid	C	7	5	12	17	4	4	1997-01-13	22	Richmond Hill, ONT	6.01	193
29	Leon Draisaitl	C	7	6	9	15	0	4	1995-10-27	23	Cologne, Germany	6.02	208
77	Oscar Klefbom	D	7	1	8	9	0	-1	1993-07-20	26	Karlstad, Sweden	6.03	216
18	James Neal	L	7	8	1	9	4	0	1987-09-03	31	Whitby, ONT	6.03	212
93	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	C	7	1	5	6	0	1	1993-04-12	26	Burnaby, BC	6.00	184
44	Zack Kassian	R	7	3	3	6	4	8	1991-01-24	28	Windsor, ONT	6.03	211
25	Darnell Nurse	D	7	1	4	5	6	2	1995-02-04	24	Hamilton, ONT	6.04	221
92	Tomas Jurco	L	6	0	2	2	2	3	1992-12-28	26	Kosice, Slovakia	6.02	188
83	Matt Benning	D	7	0	2	2	4	6	1994-05-25	25	Edmonton, ALTA	6.01	203
74	Ethan Bear	D	7	1	1	2	8	-2	1997-06-26	22	Regina, SASK	5.11	195
91	Gaetan Haas	C	4	0	1	1	0	0	1992-01-31	27	Bonfol, Switzerland	6.00	181
4	Kris Russell	D	7	0	1	1	2	1	1987-05-02	32	Caroline, ALTA	5.10	170
26	Brandon Manning	D	1	1	0	1	0	1	1990-06-04	29	Prince George, BC	6.01	205
10	Joakim Nygard	L	6	1	0	1	0	-2	1993-01-08	26	Stockholm, Sweden	6.00	179
6	Adam Larsson	D	1	0	0	0	0	0	1992-11-12	26	Skelleftea, Sweden	6.03	208
12	Colby Cave	C	2	0	0	0	2	-2	1994-12-26	24	Battleford, SASK	6.01	200
19	Mikko Koskinen	G	3	0	0	0	0	0	1988-07-18	31	Vantaa, Finland	6.07	202
41	Mike Smith	G	4	0	0	0	0	0	1982-03-22	37	Kingston, ONT	6.05	220
39	Alex Chiasson	R	4	0	0	0	0	0	1990-10-01	28	Montreal, PQ	6.04	208
15	Josh Archibald	R	4	0	0	0	0	-3	1992-10-06	26	Regina, SASK	5.10	176
52	Patrick Russell	R	4	0	0	0	2	-2	1993-01-04	26	Bickenrod, Denmark	6.01	203
23	Riley Sheahan	C	5	0	0	0	0	-3	1991-12-07	27	St. Catharines, ONT	6.03	214
36	Joel Persson	D	5	0	0	0	0	-1	1994-03-04	25	Kristianstad, Sweden	5.11	170
60	Markus Granlund	C	7	0	0	0	4	-2	1993-04-16	26	Oulu, Finland	6.00	180
16	Jujhar Khaira	L	7	0	0	0	4	-4	1994-08-13	25	Surrey, BC	6.04	212

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how many of Neal's goals did either McDavid or Leon D assist on or were on the ice when they happened

we need to find guys in the bottom 6 that can score and it will cost maybe 2 mill each player--that is money we do not have

 

[McShogun99]

I wouldn't be wasting assets on Hall as a rental. The smart play would be to offer NJD a late pick around the draft to give us an earlier negotiating window plus the ability to offer the 8th year.

 

[MaxR11]

There's zero chance Tippett would stand for a player like Hall in his line up. I LOVE that Tips was pissed off at the team's effort last night even though they won convincingly on the scorebaord. The team played like trash for most of the game. Dominated by the Flyers. Kosk kept them in it and Connor went supernova for 5 mins to put it out of reach. They are trying to build proper habits, and attitude and culture here. I am not convinced Hall has changed completely. I think there's still a big part of him that will sag, pout and give up should things not go his way and that will hurt team attitude. I've seen games where his team (in Edm and NJ) was winning but he hadn't gotten his point or wasn't playing all that well and you could see him on the bench unhappy. With Hall it's more about him first then winning second.

Listen to this blurb from Struds (a staunch Hall defender). I understand this was early in his career but I personally don't believe this attitude from him has changed all that much imo. Yes, i know some of you will disagree but that's the way i feel. Sturds talks about how Hallsy wasn't trying in a group workout and someone told him to get it done. Hallsy said meh, i'm good, i'm doing well on the ice. Horc told him buddy this is the standard etc. starts at around minute 41..... https://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-1260/audio/the-jason-gregor-show-oct-16-hour-3-1.1382318

I'll say it again, it's no coincidence that there's all this stuff about hall regarding coaches telling him to sit at the end of the bench, overreacting to getting some water splashed on them, former teammates calling him out. and this isn't even including things some of us hear about him from people that are/were in the organization. some might think he's turned over a new leaf but i'm not willing to take that chance. i think when things get tough he'll pout, sag and further push the team into the hole with his attitude. would he be good if the team is doing well and he's also producing? i'm sure he'd be fine in that situation. but i want a mentally and attitude wise strong and resilient player. i want a player who will still play hard and do the little things well and be a team guy even if he's struggling to produce and not cheat or sag. i don't think hall is that guy.