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[bucks_oil]

The oilers had 3 pucks deflect in their own net.

but you also think strudwick is a comparable for broberg, so what do you know.

Deflections are "lucky" now?

Coaches tell their teams to get traffic in front so they can be lucky?

Coaches tell D-men to clear the front of the net (rather than wander aimlessly into the high slot... looking at you Nurse) to avoid bad luck?

 

[OfCorsiDid]

I still think we overrate the hell out of Bear. He had an outstanding year compared to what was expected of him, but realistically he'll probably top out as a sheltered 2nd pair Dman. There's no need for him to be playing the minutes he did last season consistently.

I wouldn’t say I do. He’s right now a 2/3 RD.

However, the comments there were ridiculous. One guy said he’d be in the ECHL, another said he’d be a 14th/15th defenceman on the Leafs.

I mean I know we’re as biased as anyone but the hyperbole and ridiculousness in that thread was astronomical.

 

[BlackDogg]

I got more leaked text messages.

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[Panda Bear]

The puck deflecting off of Bear's stick into his own net isn't lucky for Chicago?

Thank you for the lesson, @bucks_oil.

 

[McJadeddog]

Deflections are "lucky" now?

Coaches tell their teams to get traffic in front so they can be lucky?

Coaches tell D-men to clear the front of the net (rather than wander aimlessly into the high slot... looking at you Nurse) to avoid bad luck?

Well.... yeah, that is exactly why coaches say to get traffic in front of the net. Well, its one of the primary reasons anyhow. It's to screen the goalie, to put yourself in a good spot for a deflection and rebounds as well, but random-puck-bounce-luck is one of the reasons as well.

Hockey is an inherently "luck based" game, more so than almost any other sport I am aware of. People don't like that fact, but it doesn't stop it from being true.

We already got pretty heavy into this back in August when we were all talking about the Chicago series, and I don't want to go down that same rabbit hole, so this will be my last comment on the topic of luck

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Deflections are "lucky" now?

Coaches tell their teams to get traffic in front so they can be lucky?

Coaches tell D-men to clear the front of the net (rather than wander aimlessly into the high slot... looking at you Nurse) to avoid bad luck?

Yes, that’s luck.

 

[LTIR]

The oilers had 3 pucks deflect in their own net.

but you also think strudwick is a comparable for broberg, so what do you know.

And we scored weak goals ourselves. Deflected shots may excuse our goaltenders but not the team.
Also, nice try with bringing my post comparing Victor Broberg to Struds as if it defines me.

 

[LTIR]

The puck deflecting off of Bear's stick into his own net isn't lucky for Chicago?

Thank you for the lesson, @bucks_oil.

That was luck but McD scoring off Keith's skate and Ennis from the Blueline were pure skill.

 

[CupofOil]

Deflections are "lucky" now?

Coaches tell their teams to get traffic in front so they can be lucky?

Coaches tell D-men to clear the front of the net (rather than wander aimlessly into the high slot... looking at you Nurse) to avoid bad luck?

The two pucks deflected off of Russell was definitely bad luck and the one off of Bear's stick but you're right, the Hawks went to the hard areas of the ice and were rewarded while the Oilers were skimming the perimeter mostly.

It's been a problem with the Oilers for years, trying to be too cute and not paying the price to get the hard areas of the ice. With guys like Yamamoto, Ennis and Archibald injected into the lineup, they improved somewhat in that area (the Neal-Khaira-Chiasson line did well carete net havoc too) but still not enough play in the middle of the ice and traffic in front of the net. The Oilers are notoriously weak in this area and have been since '06 really.

This is also why I liked the Kahun signing. He's a guy who knows how to get to scoring spots and isn't afraid to get his nose dirty. We need more of this from Kassian as well, less trying to be the fancy skill guy and more playing to his strengths getting in on the forecheck and driving the net. Let McDavid and RNH carry the puck.

Bottom line, Chicago created a lot of their luck especially earlier in the series by playing the right way setting the tone right off the bat with the Game 1 trouncing like the vet core they are. A good lesson learned for the Oilers I'd hope.

 

[Panda Bear]

That was luck but McD scoring off Keith's skate and Ennis from the Blueline were pure skill.

They sure were!

It's almost like hockey has a large element of luck to it.

 

[McShogun99]

Deflections are "lucky" now?

Coaches tell their teams to get traffic in front so they can be lucky?

Coaches tell D-men to clear the front of the net (rather than wander aimlessly into the high slot... looking at you Nurse) to avoid bad luck?

I don’t know how you define luck but when 3 goals are deflected in by your own team then I’d consider that lucky. It’s not like the Hawks players were planning on the goal going in off of an Oiler but that’s why you shoot into traffic.

 

[BarDownBobo]

Still amazes me how much weight people are putting on the play in series. Dallas looked like absolute shit in the round robin, but they were lucky enough to get it out of their system and then made it all the way to the finals. If the league hadn’t decided to do away with the divisions for the play in, or if the Oilers had beat Winnipeg the last game before the stoppage and ended up in the round robin instead who’s to say that couldn’t have been them making that run? They were a good team for 71 games and then unfortunately had a couple bad games when it counted.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

You mean Ethan Baer? Baer isn’t as good as Stecher, let’s ignore that Baer plays far more difficult usage and minutes. No rookie D played more minute than Baer.

That thread made my brain hurt.

Every time I read a Leaf's fans opinion on Baer I need a Bayer aspirin for my headache.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Every time I read a Leaf's fans opinion on Baer I need a Bayer aspirin for my headache.

Every time I read a Leaf’s fans opinion on anything I need a Bayer aspirin and a shot of tequila for my headache.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Kahuna is a Hawaiian word, defined as a respected person who has moral authority in society; a "priest, sorcerer, magician, wizard, minister, expert in any profession (whether male or female)".

Taken from Wikipedia. I can live with that

Generally speaking it is a priest in modern times. Sometimes if someone is a real d-bag you will hear someone say "do you want me to put Kahuna on you" in which case it would be like cursing someone. I have a couple of Kahu friends (Hawaiian priests) that are both spiritual in Christianity and the ways of their ancestors pre western contact. When buildings are built on old burials, if an area is haunted by spirits (often times due to burials being desecrated or disturbed), or when you want a place blessed it is very common here to call in a Kahu.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

I don’t know how you define luck but when 3 goals are deflected in by your own team then I’d consider that lucky. It’s not like the Hawks players were planning on the goal going in off of an Oiler but that’s why you shoot into traffic.

The PDO advanced stat is probably the greatest example of a stat that measures luck. It’s the summation of a team’s shooting percentage and their save percentage.

5v5 we had a .946 PDO.

Chicago had a 1.054.

That’s a difference of over 0.100.

The difference between the bottom and the top of the PDO stat in the regular season was half that.

That’s all that really needs to be said.

 

[Zaddy]

Do we have any cap space left now? Would love to add a veteran LHD still...

 

[Oilhawks]

Do we have any cap space left now? Would love to add a veteran LHD still...

Technically for $1 million ish they should be able to depending on what Bear signs for. I think we’ll see Bear sign first though

 

[McSuper]

Yes and Ceci is a #1 Dman. I don't even bother arguing with Leaf fans.
When dealing with leave fans, I live by this motto
YOU CANT FIX STUPID

Unless you are doctor Frankenstein and you install the Abby Normal brain




keep in mind Igor is one of the smartest Leafs fan

 

[bucks_oil]

Well.... yeah, that is exactly why coaches say to get traffic in front of the net. Well, its one of the primary reasons anyhow. It's to screen the goalie, to put yourself in a good spot for a deflection and rebounds as well, but random-puck-bounce-luck is one of the reasons as well.

Hockey is an inherently "luck based" game, more so than almost any other sport I am aware of. People don't like that fact, but it doesn't stop it from being true.

We already got pretty heavy into this back in August when we were all talking about the Chicago series, and I don't want to go down that same rabbit hole, so this will be my last comment on the topic of luck

Getting yourself into position to deflect or prevent a deflection is not a matter of luck. Deflections are a skill. Clearing the net is a skill. Putting yourself in position to increase (or decrease) those probabilities is a matter of will, desire, coaching, strength, competitiveness, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Cloned]

Getting yourself into position to deflect or prevent a deflection is not a matter of luck. Deflections are a skill. Clearing the net is a skill. Putting yourself in position to increase (or decrease) those probabilities is a matter of will, desire, coaching, strength, competitiveness, etc, etc, etc.

Eh. I’m not sure Matthew Highmore will score five more deflection goals like that the rest of his entire NHL career.

 

[bucks_oil]

I don’t know how you define luck but when 3 goals are deflected in by your own team then I’d consider that lucky. It’s not like the Hawks players were planning on the goal going in off of an Oiler but that’s why you shoot into traffic.

Defenders tend to deflect pucks into the net when opponents require defenders to be in front of the net. Without opponents crashing the net, most D-men would be smart enough to get out of the way of their goalie, or be further away from their goalie (increasing his vision lanes) to block a shot.

That's called creating your own luck... which means it isn't luck at all, it's probability.

Not saying you can't have "a lucky" or "flukey" goal. But when a bunch of them are happening there is more to it than just luck.

 

[bucks_oil]

The puck deflecting off of Bear's stick into his own net isn't lucky for Chicago?

Thank you for the lesson, @bucks_oil.

And Highmore having hours of time in the heart of the slot while our D elected to concede that space, allowing two perfect deflections is luck? Ok... and @PandaBear no problem.

Also... if you want my opinion on the Bear deflection, it was at EV and he had two guys in front of the net. Nurse was in rover mode (covering nobody). It wouldn't happened if Bear didn't have to choose and could tie his guy up. He got caught on the way there... you can say bad luck for him, but it was preventable if Nurse had been playing his position = my point.

 

[bucks_oil]

Eh. I’m not sure Matthew Highmore will score five more deflection goals like that the rest of his entire NHL career.

True, but will he have that much time in the slot ever again?

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

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Hillary Clinton.

Don't like her.