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I don't see us having a 1/2/3 pair. We are going to have a 1st pair, and then 2 other pairs splitting minutes. We don't have a traditional third pair.
 
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With the addition of a couple of 'offensive' mostly forwards and an overall shaky defense and a mushy goaltending situation we cant afford Barrie on the second pairing. Hope Larsson's back holds up the entire season. As it stands now it looks as if were hoping we can outscore opponets. With Barrie in the top 4 .....not really possible.

Right now our 'D' is going to be run on hope!

HOPE that Nurse has less brainfarts.
HOPE that Bear improves and doesnt suffer sophomore jinx.
HOPE that Jones learns and learns and develops into top 4 or top 3.
HOPE that Larsson's back holds up entire season and playoffs?
HOPE that Russell can fill some extra minutes and carry Barrie defensively.
HOPE that Tippett can find a way to keep Barrie on the downside of the red line.
HOPE BOUCHARD can continue to develop a defensive presence and show it in the second half during his coffee.

Too much hope. We need a solid defensive vet to steady the ship. Get the right steady defensive guy and we might be a playoff team.
Yes if you cut Barrie loose he will score. But if you try to make him truly defensively responsible you get what Babcock had. Hopefully Tippett realizes the best for the team is somewhere in the middle. But this year i think we have a big dog house--and one of the players peeking out will be Barrie at times.
 
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Anarchism said:
With the addition of a couple of 'offensive' mostly forwards and an overall shaky defense and a mushy goaltending situation we cant afford Barrie on the second pairing. Hope Larsson's back holds up the entire season. As it stands now it looks as if were hoping we can outscore opponets. With Barrie in the top 4 .....not really possible.

Right now our 'D' is going to be run on hope!

HOPE that Nurse has less brainfarts.
HOPE that Bear improves and doesnt suffer sophomore jinx.
HOPE that Jones learns and learns and develops into top 4 or top 3.
HOPE that Larsson's back holds up entire season and playoffs?
HOPE that Russell can fill some extra minutes and carry Barrie defensively.
HOPE that Tippett can find a way to keep Barrie on the downside of the red line.
HOPE BOUCHARD can continue to develop a defensive presence and show it in the second half during his coffee.

Too much hope. We need a solid defensive vet to steady the ship. Get the right steady defensive guy and we might be a playoff team.
Yes if you cut Barrie loose he will score. But if you try to make him truly defensively responsible you get what Babcock had. Hopefully Tippett realizes the best for the team is somewhere in the middle. But this year i think we have a big dog house--and one of the players peeking out will be Barrie at times.
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There is a lot of hoping when it comes to our forwards, grit, pk, pp and goaltending as well.
Defense isn't the only group.
 

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Seems like a weird one unless Edmontons trying to drive up the price for Vancouver/Calgary. Hopefully this doesnt mean that the Bear contract is in poor shape.
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Unless they can get him for cheap and want to run 4 pairings deep in case of injuries. Like something like

Nurse - Bear
Jones - Larsson
Russell - Barrie
Koekkoek - Hamonic
 
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Could be as simple as Holland & co. getting back the medical report on Larsson's back.

"Its good now ...but the wrong hit in the wrong position and well u know there is no guarantee here!"
 
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LTIR said:
There is a lot of hoping when it comes to our forwards, grit, pk, pp and goaltending as well.
Defense isn't the only group.
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Perhaps we will see Turris up playing LW 40 to 50 percent of the time and RNH playing third line center at times too.
Basically Tippet now has a variety of options in his arsnel he didn't have last year. But yes we are hoping on Pulju and Hoping on Kahun and hoping in the right position on Ennis returning to form of 4 years ago. But we do have depth here--so the hope isnt quite as gut churning lol--and we dont need it all to turn out.
 
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belair said:
Nurse - Bear
Barrie - Larsson
Jones - Hamonic
Russell
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Interesting ....ive never seen Barrie play his offside at evens before....can he do it well at all?.....can he really stay in his lane? He has a hard enough time positionally in the Dzone on the right side....????
Or perhaps your saying timing , boardwork, and attempted long passes all suspect on right or left side but with Larsson to cover on the second pair we would have a peak transition guy in the top four at least.?? And a somewhat stable third pairing to throw out there when we are playing a more offensive group.? Hamonic may not have the offensive upside we all thought he might(including himself) but he still has the makings of an excellent shutdown guy. His bad decision making can be disciplined out of him when both he and a coach like Tippet focus his talents.
 
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Tampa the Yankees of hockey now? Playing the league and their cap like fiddle. 12M over the cap right now which would generally put them above the allowable 10% cushion but sounds like there’s a way to retroactively place players on LTIR so they aren’t technically over the cushion and they won’t have to worry about being compliant day 1 before putting someone on LTIR.

Can already tell how this plays out, they’ll waltz through the regular season comfortably in a playoff spot even without Kucherov, probably feed a Johnson, Killorn, Gourde some nice minutes to pump them up, and with a good half season and a year less left on their deal some GM will surely come along and help them out of their cap problem for free or maybe even give up an asset either in season or next off season.

They’re so transparent it’s laughable and they’re even being cheeky about it declaring Kucherov will be out for the regular season but I’d bet my bank account they kept a Kucherov surgery as their ace in the hole in case they couldn’t dump players and waited on the surgery to line up a recovery timeline perfectly with the end of the regular season. He’ll probably be ready a few weeks before end of the year, get a two week conditioning stint in the AHL and then rejoin the team for game 1 of the playoffs.

The league should step up right now and institute a rule that a player must play a minimum number of regular season games to be eligible for the playoffs. That would completely screw their little plan if Kucherov has to play something like 3 games or he’s not eligible for playoffs they wouldn’t have the cap space to activate him.
 
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SupremeTeam16 said:
Tampa the Yankees of hockey now? Playing the league and their cap like fiddle. 12M over the cap right now which would generally put them above the allowable 10% cushion but sounds like there’s a way to retroactively place players on LTIR so they aren’t technically over the cushion and they won’t have to worry about being compliant day 1 before putting someone on LTIR.

Can already tell how this plays out, they’ll waltz through the regular season comfortably in a playoff spot even without Kucherov, probably feed a Johnson, Killorn, Gourde some nice minutes to pump them up, and with a good half season and a year less left on their deal some GM will surely come along and help them out of their cap problem for free or maybe even give up an asset either in season or next off season.

They’re so transparent it’s laughable and they’re even being cheeky about it declaring Kucherov will be out for the regular season but I’d bet my bank account they kept a Kucherov surgery as their ace in the hole in case they couldn’t dump players and waited on the surgery to line up a recovery timeline perfectly with the end of the regular season. He’ll probably be ready a few weeks before end of the year, get a two week conditioning stint in the AHL and then rejoin the team for game 1 of the playoffs.

The league should step up right now and institute a rule that a player must play a minimum number of regular season games to be eligible for the playoffs. That would completely screw their little plan if Kucherov has to play something like 3 games or he’s not eligible for playoffs they wouldn’t have the cap space to activate him.
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Have we done the same thing? Are we going to do it again re: Larsson's back. If your not pushing the rules are you competing hard enough? You didnt have a coach tell you to bend the rules as far as you can without breaking them?--i.e. butt ending to the stomach illegal but putting ur hand on the end of the knob in the corner and making room is not.
Maybe ur just pissed off we never got a chance to get a quality player for pennies on the dollar??If your team can circumvent the cap for a win ...do you do that? The loophole is there---its there for all---the playing field is level. Poor teams using it...mismanaged teams using it...successful teams using it. Its kinda fun.
 
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I don't mind having an overabundance of right shot players on a hockey club. For me it's not the same as having too many left handed shooters.
 
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Eskimo44 said:
I'd play Hamonic on his offside if he could be signed. He's an effective player still. Him or Barrie on their offside is still likely a good pairing and better than what we have in Russell or Lagesson.
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I don't mind having offence first defencemen playing on their offside. They need a defence first partner and an conscientious center. The benefits can outweigh the drawbacks. We got two of the best passing centers in the league always looking for that right handed shot.
 
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