Proposal: Rumors and Proposals Thread: Brassard? Risto? Bueller? Bueller?

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Mr Tadakichi

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Soul8

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For anyone who thinks Strome was so valuable and Spooner was horrible, here are their gps, goals, assists, and points. Can't you tell which is which? Which one of these players are you so mad is gone? And so impairitive to the teams success?
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
18-1-1-2
25-2-1-3
 

OilerTyler

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For anyone who thinks Strome was so valuable and Spooner was horrible, here are their gps, goals, assists, and points. Can't you tell which is which? Which one of these players are you so mad is gone? And so impairitive to the teams success?
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
18-1-1-2
25-2-1-3

Spooner's stat line last season
52-3-6-9

Strome's stat line last season
81-19-16-35
 

Bryanbryoil

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Strome sucked, Spooner sucked and Gagner sucked after a hot start to his return. It was all varying levels of suck but none of these 3 guys were contributing much to the club. The reality is that Gagner played the best hockey of the 3 here in Edmonton last season. IIRC I said that we should've walked from Strome instead of giving him his QO, that seems like it would've been the best play except for the fact that Chia would've used that $3 million on someone that was likely even worse.

Strome did well in NY but odds are that even Rieder would've scored a goal on another club last season. What matters is what they did while here and 2 points in 18 games is beyond pathetic.
 

OilerTyler

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I should add it was still a horrible trade haha

Strome sucked with the Oilers, Spooner sucked everywhere.

The crazy thing to me is that our team was struggling for secondary scoring all season and instead of giving Strome (a former 50 point player) a shot in our top six on the wing we dumped him...for a winger...because he couldn't carry a line with Lucic and Puljujarvi. Then Strome goes on to produce in New York's top six while our third line continued to suck.
 
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Fourier

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Strome also ha better defensive stats. Still a bad trade.
For anyone who thinks Strome was so valuable and Spooner was horrible, here are their gps, goals, assists, and points. Can't you tell which is which? Which one of these players are you so mad is gone? And so impairitive to the teams success?
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
18-1-1-2
25-2-1-3
Strome bought into playing more defensively responsible hockey. He was fairly snake bitten but was at the very least treading water. The trade was salvaged to a degree by moving Spooner for Gagner, but there is no way to hide the fact that the original trade was a big negative for the Oilers. He was also playing well on the pk something Spooner did not do at all.
 

Bryanbryoil

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Strome bought into playing more defensively responsible hockey. He was fairly snake bitten but was at the very least treading water. The trade was salvaged to a degree by moving Spooner for Gagner, but there is no way to hide the fact that the original trade was a big negative for the Oilers. He was also playing well on the pk something Spooner did not do at all.

Strome and Rieder in theory should've provided 2/3's of a solid 3rd line, instead both were very poor for us. If not for Chiasson's career year things would've been even uglier in terms of the supporting cast.
 

belair

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Yep. Strome trade was bad. He was a kid in his mid twenties who was buying into playing more defensive hockey and was bound for a spike in offense like he saw in NY.

That being said, there's enough cap available to sign a guy like Sheahan this summer, who's probably better suited for the role. Also, bringing Gagner back seems like it a cheap way to help in the depth scoring department moving forward. I wouldn't be surprised to see him accept a multi-year deal here on a favorable cap hit beyond this season.
 

Bryanbryoil

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Yep. Strome trade was bad. He was a kid in his mid twenties who was buying into playing more defensive hockey and was bound for a spike in offense like he saw in NY.

That being said, there's enough cap available to sign a guy like Sheahan this summer, who's probably better suited for the role. Also, bringing Gagner back seems like it a cheap way to help in the depth scoring department moving forward. I wouldn't be surprised to see him accept a multi-year deal here on a favorable cap hit beyond this season.

With all due respect to Gagner, he is not a player that I'd want to give a multi year commitment to. 1 year deal at a much lower cap hit I could maybe see. This is a guy that was in the AHL prior to coming here and we'll need to see what he can do over a full NHL season before making any offers to keep him IMO.
 

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The Strome trade really showed Chiarelli had no plan whatsoever. And I say this as someone who was fine with the trade initially because I thought Spooner would provide more offense. :confused: He traded his 3C without consulting McLellan and then hired a defensive-minded head coach four days later.

Holland has done a great job with short, cheap contracts this summer. He's allowing himself some flexibility in the future that Chiarelli didn't have because of stupid signings.
 
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SK13

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Strome wasn't a solution because he's in no way a centre. You'll get as much from Jujhar in that role as you got from Strome and that's an issue. He's produced mediocre 30 point seasons on the wings of productive top-six calibre centres for years and that's what he's likely to continue doing, regardless of a brief stretch shooting 22.5% for a brief stretch with the Rangers.
 
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Soul8

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I was comparing their time with the oilers. Strome added very little, he actually played so poorly that there weren't many options for trade. I get that he scored after he left. If he had scored while he was here...he might still be here, or would have returned more in a trade.
 
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The Strome trade really showed Chiarelli had no plan whatsoever. And I say this as someone who was fine with the trade initially because I thought Spooner would provide more offense. :confused: He traded his 3C without consulting McLellan and then hired a defensive-minded head coach four days later.

Holland has done a great job with short, cheap contracts this summer. He's allowing himself some flexibility in the future that Chiarelli couldn't because of stupid signings.
I don't really agree with this per se. He had a plan that was built around prospect development and building from within. And for the most part he followed it. The problem with that plan is that it doesn't necessarily ensure that you remain employed.

The Strome and Petrovic trades read of a guy who was desperate to somehow light a spark in the short-term to save his own ass. Unfortunately for him, they paid off just as much as the gambles that preceded them. Vancouver's moves this summer give off the same vibe.

I hated the Strome trade from the get go because it stood out exactly as you described it--a desperate attempt to extract offense from a player who was very obviously drained of it. There were waiver options that would have made more sense.

As for Holland, I agree. He's followed the same idea to build from within, but he's held back from making long-term commitments and he's not being pushed into bad deals out of desperation. Fans will just need to be patient to see those decisions ultimately pay dividends.
 
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Del Preston

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I don't really agree with this per se. He had a plan that was built around prospect development and building from within. And for the most part he followed it. The problem with that plan is that it doesn't necessarily ensure that you remain employed.
You're right, I will give him credit for improving the drafting and prospect development. But at the same time he also thought JP and Yamamoto could step in right away and be everyday NHLers when it they clearly weren't ready and needed time in the minors. I like that Holland has signed cheap bottom sixers to play while the kids stay down on the Condors. If he can add a legitimate 3C before the season starts I'll be pretty happy.
 

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With all due respect to Gagner, he is not a player that I'd want to give a multi year commitment to. 1 year deal at a much lower cap hit I could maybe see. This is a guy that was in the AHL prior to coming here and we'll need to see what he can do over a full NHL season before making any offers to keep him IMO.

Gagner doesn't need a new contract, he's still got a year left.
 

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Strome sucked, Spooner sucked and Gagner sucked after a hot start to his return. It was all varying levels of suck but none of these 3 guys were contributing much to the club. The reality is that Gagner played the best hockey of the 3 here in Edmonton last season. IIRC I said that we should've walked from Strome instead of giving him his QO, that seems like it would've been the best play except for the fact that Chia would've used that $3 million on someone that was likely even worse.

Strome did well in NY but odds are that even Rieder would've scored a goal on another club last season. What matters is what they did while here and 2 points in 18 games is beyond pathetic.
There is levels and gradients of suck, Strome was snake bitten offensively, but was treading water fairly effectively at 5 on 5 cause he was playing well enough defensively. Spooner played at a level below a replacement level player, basically every veteran AHL player we called up handily outplayed him. Gagner provided some offense as a specialist, but probably not quite enough to be deserving of a spot given the other shortcomings in his game, but it was within the general range.

Strome is an underwhelming 3rd line player, the kind you wish was better and likely isn't good enough in his role to be part of the equation for a Stanley cup winning team, but good enough to be a placeholder in a team that makes the playoffs; Gagner is a 4th line PP specialist; Spooner is underwhelming AHL vet forward. The bottom line for me is Strome's probably got another 6 years or more of time as an NHL player, Spooner I don't think has even one second left as an NHL player, and Gagner has 1 or if you want to be really generous 2 years of being able to play at an NHL level left in him.

We lost the initial Strome - Spooner trade by a huge margin, trying to justify it as not that bad based on a paltry 18 game sample size of Strome is a terrible argument. I would gladly take a zero point Strome over the 13 points Spooner's season pro-rated out to given how terrible Spooner's defensive game was and how poorly he was reading the game in general.
 

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The Strome trade really showed Chiarelli had no plan whatsoever. And I say this as someone who was fine with the trade initially because I thought Spooner would provide more offense. :confused: He traded his 3C without consulting McLellan and then hired a defensive-minded head coach four days later.

Holland has done a great job with short, cheap contracts this summer. He's allowing himself some flexibility in the future that Chiarelli didn't have because of stupid signings.
Lol an “analyst” on NHL network gave Holland an F- for his moves this summer. Is an F- even real lmao
 

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Spooner took like ..2 to 3 games to be on the ice for as many 5v5 goals against as Strome was in 18. Strome wasn't great but Spooner was literally useless
 
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