NHL Vegas wants to buy AHL team and move it to LV

[rabinsurance]

I know the Monsters used to fly quite a bit when they were in the Western Conference. For the Texas teams, they would fly to Dallas and then bus to Cedar Park, San Antonio, Houston and OKC. For Winnipeg they would fly to Minn/St. Paul and bus. Abbotsford was fly to Seattle and bus. Not sure where they based out of when they did their one and only California trip, probably LAX. But I do remember that when they clinched only their 2nd ever playoff spot, on which they went on to win the Calder Cup, they flew to and from Chicago. The next morning I was at Hopkins to catch a flight, and low and behold the whole team came marching through the terminal after landing from Chicago. I was kind of surprised. So I guess it depends on the organization and the amount that they want to put into travel. I think now everything they do is bus, including to Charlotte. Moving to the East probably saved a high percentage of what they were spending on travel.

 

[Tommy Hawk]

So, back to the topic..... Chicago aint moving/selling.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

So, back to the topic..... Chicago aint moving/selling.

sources for that, because everyone knows Anaheim put enough pressure on Norfolk ownership to force a sal/relocatione

 

[Clinton Comets EHL]

sources for that, because everyone knows Anaheim put enough pressure on Norfolk ownership to force a sal/relocatione

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[rabinsurance]

He'll give you a source for that after you come up with a legitimate source for your repeated comments the Dan Gilbert threw the Sharks out of Cleveland. BTW, the Cavs' legal team saw those quotes and will soon be saying "Hi" to you.

 

[Tommy Hawk]

sources for that, because everyone knows Anaheim put enough pressure on Norfolk ownership to force a sal/relocatione

So, the TOPIC that I am getting back to is:
Rumor/speculation: AHL Chicago moving to Vegas?

They aint moving. That is my runour and speculation. Yours was all over the map. And Anaheim put no pressure on Norfolk, Andrews and the league said sell or we won't schedule any games against you. And If they ever said that to Levin, he would just turn around and sue and in Cook County where the most corrupt legal system in the country resides. Ask Jussie how he got off.

And you should check all your posts as you have NEVER posted a legitimate source.

 

[IndyHockeyFreak]

That would present quite a few problems. In addition to the city of Rockford, Illinois owning the IceHogs team, they're affiliated with the Chicago Blackhawks, so even if it's just to move the IceHogs to Rosemont to replace the Wolves, that would involve talking to the 'Hawks and see what they would want, and that may see them not even want an affiliate in Chicago if Rockford is off the table. Maybe they'd like to transfer the rights to Indianapolis, where the Indy Fuel would be promoted to the AHL level, or something of that nature? Or, even a whole other city? Who knows.

Plus, as another user pointed out, there is the matter of the Stockton Heat lease situation and how the Flames will just move the affiliate wherever there's an open seat.

Also... we're talking about the Orleans Arena. When I joined this forum, that was the talk in the ECHL as the Las Vegas Wranglers were pushed out of the Orleans Arena and the team was desperate to stay around that they considered playing on the roof of a hotel and even in a parking lot. How the heck would this be any different, just because the Golden Knights came to town? If the Orleans Casino didn't want to deal with at least 34 dates and constantly changing ice for other events, how will they budge this time?

 

[IndyHockeyFreak]

Great scenario as Indy Fuel fans would love to move up to the AHL Attendance is already good and would be considerably better if the Fuel were in the AHL. Would be a smart move by the Blackhawks as well if they want to keep an affiliation with Indy.

 

[Barclay Donaldson]

Great scenario as Indy Fuel fans would love to move up to the AHL Attendance is already good and would be considerably better if the Fuel were in the AHL. Would be a smart move by the Blackhawks as well if they want to keep an affiliation with Indy.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but there is zero chance a Chicago Blackhawks AHL affiliate lands in Indianapolis.

The possibility of that scenario you were referencing is so unlikely that you have a better chance of getting carjacked by a koala.

 

[GindyDraws]

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but there is zero chance a Chicago Blackhawks AHL affiliate lands in Indianapolis.

The possibility of that scenario you were referencing is so unlikely that you have a better chance of getting carjacked by a koala.

Yeah, I was wondering why I got quoted all of a sudden. What I was discussing was so far off the possibility that it went into speculation and that's where it is; speculation.

Would I like Indy in the AHL? Sure, but I'm not going to cry myself to sleep over the ECHL. Heck, I'm happy about my brand of hockey. Besides, the thread was about the Wolves moving to Las Vegas (and where on Earth the team would play at) and what would happen in the void that the Wolves would leave behind. Then it got derailed, as usual, for usual reasons that mods often make frowny faces at me whenever I call attention to, so we have to keep it on the straight.

 

[Centrum Hockey]

Great scenario as Indy Fuel fans would love to move up to the AHL Attendance is already good and would be considerably better if the Fuel were in the AHL. Would be a smart move by the Blackhawks as well if they want to keep an affiliation with Indy.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but there is zero chance a Chicago Blackhawks AHL affiliate lands in Indianapolis.

The possibility of that scenario you were referencing is so unlikely that you have a better chance of getting carjacked by a koala.

The Blackhawks have shown no indication whatsoever that they are moving on or unhappy with rockford. Foley may be contemplating moving their AHL affiliate closer but the Blackhawks are under no obligation to be forced to move their affiliate if they don’t want to.

 

[Barclay Donaldson]

The Blackhawks have shown no indication whatsoever that they are moving on or unhappy with rockford. Foley may be contemplating moving their AHL affiliate closer but the Blackhawks are under no obligation to be forced to move their affiliate if they don’t want to.

The City of Rockford owns the IceHogs. The Blackhawks have been the NHL affiliate of the IceHogs since they joined the league and have been signing extensions and singing praise ever since. They're not going anywhere. That and I wanted to use "carjacked by a koala" in a sentence and there aren't many times I could safely use it.

 

[JMCx4]

... That and I wanted to use "carjacked by a koala" in a sentence and there aren't many times I could safely use it.

The few that survived the devastating Australian wildfires may just be getting desperate enough to make that scenario a distinct possibility. Beware of cuddly hitchhikers.

 

[LadyStanley]

Golden Knights looking to buy AHL club and move it to Las Vegas

It's official - NHL Vegas wants to buy AHL team (and relocate to LV)

No longer rumor

 

[Barclay Donaldson]

Golden Knights looking to buy AHL club and move it to Las Vegas

It's official - NHL Vegas wants to buy AHL team (and relocate to LV)

No longer rumor

I'm not saying it's unlikely to happen, but Vegas will need to overcome some major hurdles. It will not be through expansion since the AHL will not expand to more teams than the NHL. It will have to be through acquisition and relocation.

The Chicago Wolves seem to be the obvious target. However, Don Levin has been their very independent-minded owner since their founding in '94 and they have a huge, loyal, and equally independent-minded fanbase. I'd be surprised if they sell, considering how well they've done for 25 years and there is no clause that Vegas can force a buyout. Don Levin has also fought the NHL for his right to operate, Blackhawks and Blues ownership can attest to this. He would need an out-of-this-world offer from Foley.

 

[aparch]

So, back to the topic..... Chicago aint moving/selling.

This post waged well.

 

[JMCx4]

Golden Knights looking to buy AHL club and move it to Las Vegas

It's official - NHL Vegas wants to buy AHL team (and relocate to LV)

No longer rumor

"This is a developing story. Check back for updates." I'd liked it better when it was a rumor.

 

[Centrum Hockey]

I'm not saying it's unlikely to happen, but Vegas will need to overcome some major hurdles. It will not be through expansion since the AHL will not expand to more teams than the NHL. It will have to be through acquisition and relocation.

The Chicago Wolves seem to be the obvious target. However, Don Levin has been their very independent-minded owner since their founding in '94 and they have a huge, loyal, and equally independent-minded fanbase. I'd be surprised if they sell, considering how well they've done for 25 years and there is no clause that Vegas can force a buyout. Don Levin has also fought the NHL for his right to operate, Blackhawks and Blues ownership can attest to this. He would need an out-of-this-world offer from Foley.

The NHL team's that would want to affiliate with the Chicago Wolves are slim. If the AHL had a vested interest in keeping the team in rosemont. The AHL should mend fences with STL and Levin, and Foley should try to buy the rampage from the spurs.

 

[PCSPounder]

We didn't have a full-on Stockton discussion for nothing. Maybe this is the point where Calgary gets out of micromanaging their affiliate into the ground.

I also had to remind myself who affiliates with St. Louis, considering the likelihood that a team that doesn't want to own their affiliate wouldn't mind a closer affiliation.

 

[WolfKeeper]

Hoo boy. Can't wait to talk to Axe this weekend...

 

[Barclay Donaldson]

The NHL team's that would want to affiliate with the Chicago Wolves are slim. If the AHL had a vested interest in keeping the team in rosemont. The AHL should mend fences with STL and Levin and Foley should try to buy the rampage from the spurs.

Chicago and Vegas still have 2 years left on their agreement. If there are no other AHL teams, Vegas won't have another option. If they won't sell and if no other team is open for affiliation, they will have to go back to Chicago. I'm iffy on AHL bylaws allowing shared AHL affiliation, but regardless, no other NHL team in their right mind would let them share a farm team. No NHL team would even consider it as it means less development for their own prospects, marketing, and the rest. And Vegas can't make Chicago move, they have no leverage to force a sale. The onus is entirely with Vegas, not Chicago.

The Rampage are equally unlikely to sell. The Rampage are owned by the same group that owns the arena and the Spurs. The Rampage are essentially free revenue, are paying the salaries of only 5/6 players each season, and are an excellent draw each season. No ownership group is going to give up that. There is also no leverage that forces them to give up their rights to a AHL franchise.

 

[Centrum Hockey]

Chicago and Vegas still have 2 years left on their agreement. If there are no other AHL teams, Vegas won't have another option. If they won't sell and if no other team is open for affiliation, they will have to go back to Chicago. I'm iffy on AHL bylaws allowing shared AHL affiliation, but regardless, no other NHL team in their right mind would let them share a farm team. No NHL team would even consider it as it means less development for their own prospects, marketing, and the rest. And Vegas can't make Chicago move, they have no leverage to force a sale. The onus is entirely with Vegas, not Chicago.

The Rampage are equally unlikely to sell. The Rampage are owned by the same group that owns the arena and the Spurs. The Rampage are essentially free revenue, are paying the salaries of only 5/6 players each season, and are an excellent draw each season. No ownership group is going to give up that. There is also no leverage that forces them to give up their rights to a AHL franchise.

I just mentioned The Rampage because they already sold the WNBA Star's after the Holt's divorce. I doubt vegas would try to buy Springfield or Syracuse because It would in all likelihood force one of the Florida team's to affiliate with the wolves which would be less than ideal.

 

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I'm iffy on AHL bylaws allowing shared AHL affiliation

No rule or bylaw against it. It comes down to what each NHL team negotiates with the AHL team...

 

[Barclay Donaldson]

No rule or bylaw against it. It comes down to what each NHL team negotiates with the AHL team...

I was under the impression that AHL teams are required to have a NHL affiliation, that must not be the case then.

 

[HansH]

I was under the impression that AHL teams are required to have a NHL affiliation, that must not be the case then.

NEW AHL teams are required to show an affiliation. My understanding is that AHL by-laws do not technically forbid an existing team from attempting to field a team without an affiliation, but that the economics and logistics of trying to do that make it unworkable -- though again, not technically outlawed.