Rumor: No weighted draft lottery

[nomorekids]

Hradek also reported the last second deal and the "saved" '04-'05 season.

no, he reported that the THN website was reporting the deal...just like everyone else did.

 

[Kaizer]

Agree with previous poster.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Columbus-Nash, Zherdev
Pittsburgh-Malkin, Fleury, Whitney...they have an EXCELLENT prospect pool
Atlanta-Kovalchuk, Heatley, Lehtonen

Those are just examples.

No special treatment should be given to these teams, or teams who have done fairly well.....

But 1-30 is the only fair way to do it...and I'm sorry if you naysayers can't see that

Sorry that you are destined to be disappointed. It is not going to happen. The lottery is going to be weighted. Life's a *****, ain't it? But now and then it turns out to be a fair ***** . . . seems like this will be one of those times.

 

[The Old Master]

Sorry that you are destined to be disappointed. It is not going to happen. The lottery is going to be weighted. Life's a *****, ain't it? But now and then it turns out to be a fair ***** . . . seems like this will be one of those times.

only if its realy weighted... and no team can drop more than one slot.

 

[misterjaggers]

It would? Thats some treat, Rangers, Pens, Caps get the 24,25,26th pick while Det, Col, NJ end up with 1, 2 and 3rd pick...now that is a treat.

If the Rangers, Pens and Caps luck sucks then that could (improbably) happen. That's why it's called a lottery: any team can win.

BTW, it's difficult to have any sympathy for the Rangers. They can afford the best personnel. "As you make your bed, so you will lie in it."

 

[Mess]

Sorry that you are destined to be disappointed. It is not going to happen. The lottery is going to be weighted. Life's a *****, ain't it? But now and then it turns out to be a fair ***** . . . seems like this will be one of those times.

However keep in mind even if its weighted going in .. Doesn't guarantee that results coming out will be fair by your definition ..

A team like your Pens will get 3 or 4 chances at top spot in the draft .. but their own odds are just 4 out of 60 balls (or whatever number they throw in to start) .

Even with only a single chance a former strong team could still win the lottery and no saying your Pens could not pick near the end of the 1st round .. Its all luck at that point ..

 

[demonic]

It's amazing to me how many people insist that a team like the Thrashers deserves Crosby more than a team like the Avalanche. If you look at the player assets that each team is going to be entering the post-CBA NHL with, I really can't fathom how you would come to that conclusion. Let's look at each team's top assets and how long they will have rights to those assets, assuming the UFA age drops to 30 and then 29 and that 2004 contracts are not honored.

Colorado:
Alex Tanguay (Nov 21 1979): 4 years
Milan Hejduk (Feb 14 1976): 1 year
David Aebischer (Feb 7 1978): 3 years
Marek Svatos (Jun 7 1982): 6 years
JM Liles (Nov 25 1980): 5 years
Joe Sakic (Jul 7 1969): 1 year?

Atlanta:
Ilya Kovalchuk (Apr 15 1983): 7 years
Dany Heatley (Jan 21 1981): 5 years
Kari Lehtonen (Nov 16 1983): 8 years
Patrik Stefan (Sep 16 1980): 5 years
Braydon Coburn (Feb 27 1985): 9 years

My math might not be perfect and you could probably argue my rating of assets, but would anyone seriously rather be in the Avs shoes right now? They are in slightly better shape if 2004 contracts are honored, but that just buys them another year at best. They have the worst prospect depth in the league and most of their core is at or near UFA status. Granted, it was their decision to trade prospects for immediate success and they do deserve to go through some rebuilding, but does it really make sense to handicap one of the leagues biggest success stories so badly, and load up one of it's most questionable markets? I was getting really sick of seeing the Avs, Wings and Devils in the finals every year, but it's looking like they will be replaced with the Thrashers, Caps and Blue Jackets in 3 or 4 years. Does that really make the league better off?

 

[Brazilian Avs Fan]

It's amazing to me how many people insist that a team like the Thrashers deserves Crosby more than a team like the Avalanche. If you look at the player assets that each team is going to be entering the post-CBA NHL with, I really can't fathom how you would come to that conclusion. Let's look at each team's top assets and how long they will have rights to those assets, assuming the UFA age drops to 30 and then 29 and that 2004 contracts are not honored.

Colorado:
Alex Tanguay (Nov 21 1979): 4 years
Milan Hejduk (Feb 14 1976): 1 year
David Aebischer (Feb 7 1978): 3 years
Marek Svatos (Jun 7 1982): 6 years
JM Liles (Nov 25 1980): 5 years
Joe Sakic (Jul 7 1969): 1 year?

Atlanta:
Ilya Kovalchuk (Apr 15 1983): 7 years
Dany Heatley (Jan 21 1981): 5 years
Kari Lehtonen (Nov 16 1983): 8 years
Patrik Stefan (Sep 16 1980): 5 years
Braydon Coburn (Feb 27 1985): 9 years

My math might not be perfect and you could probably argue my rating of assets, but would anyone seriously rather be in the Avs shoes right now? They are in slightly better shape if 2004 contracts are honored, but that just buys them another year at best. They have the worst prospect depth in the league and most of their core is at or near UFA status. Granted, it was their decision to trade prospects for immediate success and they do deserve to go through some rebuilding, but does it really make sense to handicap one of the leagues biggest success stories so badly, and load up one of it's most questionable markets? I was getting really sick of seeing the Avs, Wings and Devils in the finals every year, but it's looking like they will be replaced with the Thrashers, Caps and Blue Jackets in 3 or 4 years. Does that really make the league better off?

I really like your conclusions but I can't agree with this:
"I was getting really sick of seeing the Avs, Wings and Devils in the finals every year, but it's looking like they will be replaced with the Thrashers, Caps and Blue Jackets in 3 or 4 years."

Can you imagine one Stanley Cup Final featuring Pittsburgh x Chicago in the next 3 or 4 years? I really think big teams like the Avs, Wings and Devils will ever be able to mix some powerful and consistent lines.
I believe in my team and it's GM, it's not just a matter of time, we have heart. Do you expect the Rangers to be back at the Playoffs? In the next 3 or 4 years?

 

[demonic]

Can you imagine one Stanley Cup Final featuring Pittsburgh x Chicago in the next 3 or 4 years?

Absolutely. The teams that will be dominating in 3 or 4 years are the teams that have the best 20-25 year olds right now, everything else will be equalized by the new CBA. A good GM will still help, but the fact is that no team is going to be able to have more than 2 or 3 proven superstars, so a guy like Lacroix isn't going to have very many options at the trade deadline. I really think that the powerhouses of the post-CBA NHL are going to be teams that have 4 or 5 guys in their mid-twenties who hit their stride at the same time. The veterans will be spread out pretty evenly throughout the league, so it will all be about who has the most young, underpaid stars.

 

[DARKSIDE]

All this fighting over who has more balls and should get more balls

Here is a quick list of NHL players not picked in the 1st or 2nd Rounds of the entry draft ..

Goalies
Eddie Belfour - Undrafted
Curtis Joseph - Undrafted
Marty Turco - G - Selected by Dallas Stars round 5 #124 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft
Tomas Vokoun - G - Selected by Montreal Canadiens round 9 #226 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft
Nikolai Khabibulin - G - Selected by Winnipeg Jets round 9 #204 overall 1992 NHL Entry Draft
Miikka Kiprusoff - G - Selected by San Jose Sharks round 5 #116 overall 1995 NHL Entry Draft
Evgeny Nabokov - G - Selected by San Jose Sharks round 9 #219 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft
Robert Esche - G - Selected by Phoenix Coyotes round 6 #139 overall 1996 NHL Entry Draft
Dominik Hasek - G - Selected by Chicago Blackhawks round 10 #199 overall 1983 NHL Entry Draft
Andrew Raycroft - G - Selected by Boston Bruins round 5 #135 overall 1998 NHL Entry Draft
Pasi Nurminen - G - Selected by Atlanta Thrashers round 6 #189 overall 2001 NHL Entry Draft
Patrick Lalime - G - Selected by Pittsburgh Penguins round 6 #156 overall 1993 NHL Entry Draft

Defense
Nicklas Lidstrom - D - Selected by Detroit Red Wings round 3 #53 overall 1989 NHL Entry Draft ... (726 points)
Zdeno Chara - D - Selected by New-York Islanders round 3 #56 overall 1996 NHL Entry Draft ... (132 points)
Rob Blake - D - Selected by Los-Angeles Kings round 4 #70 overall 1988 NHL Entry Draft - (586 points)
Sergei Zubov - D - Selected by New-York Rangers round 5 #85 overall 1990 NHL Entry Draft ....(607 points)
Mathieu Schneider - D - Selected by Montreal Canadiens round 3 #44 overall 1987 NHL Entry Draft .. (552 points)
Alexei Zhitnik - D - Selected by Los-Angeles Kings round 4 #81 overall 1991 NHL Entry Draft ... (396 points)
Tomas Kaberle - D - Selected by Toronto Maple Leafs round 8 #204 overall 1996 NHL Entry Draft ... (224 points)
Kim Johnsson - D - Selected by New-York Rangers round 11 #286 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft ... (169 points)
Pavel Kubina - D - Selected by Tampa-Bay Lightning round 7 #179 overall 1996 NHL Entry Draft ... (171 points)
Sheldon Souray - D - Selected by New-Jersey Devils round 3 #71 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft ... (83 points)
Danil Markov - D - Selected by Toronto Maple Leafs round 9 #223 overall 1995 NHL Entry Draft ... (120 points)

Forwards
Martin St. Louis - RW - Undrafted .. (259 points)
Milan Hejduk - RW Selected by Quebec Nordiques round 4 #87 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft ... (416 points)
Daniel Alfredsson - RW Selected by Ottawa Senators round 6 #133 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft ...(569 points)
Brad Richards - C - Selected by Tampa-Bay Lightning round 3 #64 overall 1998 NHL Entry Draft .... (277 points)
Sergei Fedorov - C - Selected by Detroit Red Wings round 4 #74 overall 1989 NHL Entry Draft ... (1019 points)
Pavel Datsyuk - C - Selected by Detroit Red Wings round 6 #171 overall 1998 NHL Entry Draft ... (154 points)
Henrik Zetterberg - LW - Selected by Detroit Red Wings round 7 #210 overall 1999 NHL Entry Draft ... (87 points)
Mark Recchi -RW - Selected by Pittsburgh Penguins round 4 #67 overall 1988 NHL Entry Draft ....(1201 points)
Steve Sullivan - C - Selected by New-Jersey Devils round 9 #233 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft ... (449 points)
Richard Zednik - RW - Selected by Washington Capitals round 10 #249 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft ... (269 points)
Tomas Holmstrom - LW - Selected by Detroit Red Wings round 10 #257 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft ... (236 Points)
Chris Drury - LW - Selected by Quebec Nordiques round 3 #72 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft ... (328 points)
Alyn McCauley - C - Selected by New-Jersey Devils round 4 #79 overall 1995 NHL Entry Draft .. (139 points)
Fredrik Modin - LW - Selected by Toronto Maple Leafs round 3 #64 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft ... (308 points)
Darcy Tucker - RW - Selected by Montreal Canadiens round 6 #151 overall 1993 NHL Entry Draft ... (298 points)
Michal Handzus - C - Selected by St. Louis Blues round 4 #101 overall 1995 NHL Entry Draft ... (247 points)
Tony Amonte - RW - Selected by New-York Rangers round 4 #68 overall 1988 NHL Entry Draft .. (828 points)
Alexei Zhamnov - C - Selected by Winnipeg Jets round 4 #77 overall 1990 NHL Entry Draft ... (709 points)
Sami Kapanen - LW - Selected by Hartford Whalers round 4 #87 overall 1995 NHL Entry Draft .. (391 points)
Mark Messier - C- Selected by Edmonton Oilers round 3 #48 overall 1979 NHL Entry Draft .. (1887 points)
Anson Carter - RW - Selected by Quebec Nordiques round 10 #220 overall 1992 NHL Entry Draft ...(338 points)
Kris Draper - C - Selected by Winnipeg Jets round 3 #62 overall 1989 NHL Entry Draft .. (236 point)
Brett Hull - RW - Selected by Calgary Flames round 6 #117 overall 1984 NHL Entry Draft ... (1390 points)
Luc Robitaille - LW - Selected by Los-Angeles Kings round 9 #171 overall 1984 NHL Entry Draft ... (1370 points)
Robert Lang - C - Selected by Los-Angeles Kings round 7 #133 overall 1990 NHL Entry Draft ... (467 points)
Jere Lehtinen - RW - Selected by Minnesota North Stars round 4 #88 overall 1992 NHL Entry Draft ...(341 points)
Michael Nylander - C - Selected by Hartford Whalers round 3 #59 overall 1991 NHL Entry Draft. (447 points)
Vaclav Prospal - RW - Selected by Philadelphia Flyers round 3 #71 overall 1993 NHL Entry Draft...(348 points)
Vyacheslav Kozlov - LW - Selected by Detroit Red Wings round 3 #45 overall 1990 NHL Entry Draft ...(559 points)
Marc Savard - C - Selected by New-York Rangers round 4 #91 overall 1995 NHL Entry Draft ...(304 points)
Shawn McEachern - RW - Selected by Pittsburgh Penguins round 6 #110 overall 1987 NHL Entry Draft .. (571 points)
Peter Bondra - RW - Selected by Washington Capitals round 8 #156 overall 1990 NHL Entry Draft .. (839 points)
Pavol Demitra - C - Selected by Ottawa Senators round 9 #227 overall 1993 NHL Entry Draft ..(519 points)
Brian Savage - LW - Selected by Montreal Canadiens round 8 #171 overall 1991 NHL Entry Draft ... (345 points)
Miroslav Satan - LW - Selected by Edmonton Oilers round 5 #111 overall 1993 NHL Entry Draft ....(519 points)


Just a few .. So if you never had a 1st and or 2nd round pick in the last 15 years you would have had to live with these guys only..

Point well made. Just goes to prove that it will still take good mangement, scouting and development to be a contender for more then a couple of years!