Discussion in 'Toronto Maple Leafs' started by The Nemesis, Jul 16, 2019.
Bo Starts at SS tonite
That's not a fair argument. The meeting with Shapiro and AA where Shapiro told him he shouldn't have made the Price/Tulo trades was reported on before Shapiro officially started.
(Also wow that seems about 100x more tone deaf in retrospect doesn't it...)
AA: "Mark treated me with all the respect and class that could have asked for, and that he was tremendous..."
“Mark did everything he could in order for me to stay,” he said.
New Jays president Mark Shapiro ‘disappointed’ Alex Anthopoulos resigned | The Star
Shapiro really wanted him to stay.
Of course no one remembers that.
(also Stroman is the longest tenured of the three)
Anything we have heard or read on the relationship between AA and Shapiro is mostly speculation. If I remember correctly, AA denied Shapiro had "scolded" him for those trades during their meeting. In hindsight, it seems obvious that AA determined pretty quickly he wasn't going to or didn't want to work with Shapiro. And on the other hand, I have never seen anything to indicate Shapiro was even remotely upset that AA left the organization.
Marcus Stroman is off the board. What does that mean for...
I did remember correctly, but, let's be serious. What else was he going to say? AA wanted to continue on in baseball. If he burned bridges and ripped his successor his career in the sport would probably have been over.
Just because AA said Shapiro didn't "scold" him doesn't mean the conversation didn't have some tension to it or some implied criticism.
Guy won Executive of the Year a few hours ago at that time, he could have said what he wanted or the "no comment" that Donaldson said on his departure if any of these acquisitions against Shapiro were true.
It didnt stop others like Tulo and Stroman from sounding off.
AA was in a big position of power, he sat out months; hand picked a high level executive position with the Dodgers and then got the Braves position. Saying "no comment" doesnt burn any bridges.
While I read that Shapiro was concerned by the number of prospects traded away in previous deals I thought the resported (or suspected) conflict had more to do with decision-making. It sounded like AA wanted to be in charge while Shapiro wanted a more deliberative process.
Again, let's be honest, what else was Shapiro going to say? It's his first day and the Canadian GM that got the Jays back to the post season for the first time in years leaves. Is he going to say: "No big deal, I don't think it would have worked out anyway"?
He's going to say all the right things and play nice.
No point evaluating what they say then - because according to you anything positive, neutral or negative will be viewed as negative for Shapiro.
But like i said before not everyone takes the high road. MANY former FO and players have no problem going the trashing route.
Why would he scold AA for those trades? Then go on to hold off the rebuild for 2 full seasons, so much so that they got next to nothing for JD. He his a hypocrite then.
Saying "no comment" after you're asked if you were "scolded" in a meeting by your new boss is virtually the same as confirming it happened. Once AA was on the show or the air or whatever (which he could have chosen not to do) his only choice was to play nice. AA may have been in a position of power, but that power would have dissolved completely if he shot his mouth off and ripped his previous employer.
And you can't compare Tulo and Stroman to AA. Tulo had tens of millions of guaranteed money owed to him and could say what he wanted. And, with Price not coming back, Stroman was the front-of-the-rotation starter for a team wanting to go back to the playoffs. His position was pretty secure.
Phelps could interest teams too since he hasn't sucked and comes dirt cheap next year. He wouldn't return much, but he'd return something.
It’s been quite on Galvis.
A Smoak trade would be a nice surprise
I'm really not sure where you're seeing that. I think I'm saying at the time of AA's departure both AA and Shapiro were full of crap in their public comments. They were playing nice and saying all the right things for public consumption. I don't understand how you see that as me siding with one party or another in the situation.
And I agree with you there were many more players who left and were fine with it than those who were pissed.
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