Prospect Info: Round 5, Pick 128: David Kase, RW, Chomutov Pirati (Czech League)

[Appleyard]

 

[Appleyard]

His play at that level is actually eerily reminiscent of young Giroux stylistically. Ofc he is NO-WHERE near that level. But sheesh is he fun to watch.

Dangled past so many guys today.
Getting into it after whistles, jawing all the time.
Running PP.

Both his goal and his assist he beat two guys clean with his skating and skill.

 

[Appleyard]

His goal.

 

[Appleyard]

 

[David St Hubbins]

Sounds like the kinda guy you'd like to have in the bottom 6.

 

[VladDrag]

Folks here are sleeping on him.

 

[deadhead]

He's going to be a hard fit, he's undersized and at this point, 23 years old, what you see is what you get.

Kase is unlikely to beat out Frost at center, not really a good fit for 4C, and in the top nine, is behind Giroux, Lindblom, JVR, Farabee and Laughton at LW, Voracek, TK, NAK at RW, and competing with Sandin, Tanner, Cates and Brink next season.

He really needed to step up last season, steal a job and encourage the FO to move a veteran forward out of the way.
Now he may get caught up in a logjam just as he's emerging.

Timing is everything.

 

[Appleyard]

He's going to be a hard fit, he's undersized and at this point, 23 years old, what you see is what you get.

Kase is unlikely to beat out Frost at center, not really a good fit for 4C, and in the top nine, is behind Giroux, Lindblom, JVR, Farabee and Laughton at LW, Voracek, TK, NAK at RW, and competing with Sandin, Tanner, Cates and Brink next season.

He really needed to step up last season, steal a job and encourage the FO to move a veteran forward out of the way.
Now he may get caught up in a logjam just as he's emerging.

Timing is everything.

He was arguably the Phantoms best 5v5 winger last year tbh...

Only Frost and Andreoff had better HDCF amongst fwds, and he had the best SCF of any fwd.

No Phantoms forward was on ice for more goals for at EV (28).

Also had the 2nd best penalty differential on the team. (drew 16 penalties)~

He was 3rd on the team in EV scoring with 19 points... (Criscuolo had 22, Sushko had 20).

Just Gordon the genius was too busy running the worst PP in the AHL with four veterans and Frost, and refusing to put other prospects on the PP even when it was at 10%... and not even giving Kase PP time ALL YEAR.

When he ran a PP1 in the SHL and was on the Czech National team PP2 in the WC warm-up games.


hard to step up when on a steaming pile of shit and cant get offensive minutes or PP time even when you are great almost every game. Same situation NAK was in. More PP time in NHL than AHL LMAO.

 

[Young Sandwich]

Same situation NAK was in. More PP time in NHL than AHL LMAO.

That's the stuff that just blows my mind. Take a seat Gordo, you're done.

 

[Appleyard]

That's the stuff that just blows my mind. Take a seat Gordo, you're done.

Kase...

Czech SENIOR NATIONAL TEAM PP2 on debut. Ran a PP1 in SHL for a year.

Sushko? Lead the Phantoms in non-PP goals... on PP2 for the Belarus national team even when a 13th fwd at time.



Lehigh Valley Phantoms? Chris Stewart, Kurtis Gabriel, Pascal Laberge get PP time over you.


And like NAK, both work their arse off in the DZ, so not like being sent a lesson or anything.

 

[IronMarshal]

Kase...

Czech SENIOR NATIONAL TEAM PP2 on debut. Ran a PP1 in SHL for a year.

Sushko? Lead the Phantoms in non-PP goals... on PP2 for the Belarus national team even when a 13th fwd at time.



Lehigh Valley Phantoms? Chris Stewart, Kurtis Gabriel, Pascal Laberge get PP time over you.


And like NAK, both work their arse off in the DZ, so not like being sent a lesson or anything.

That is good coaching right there. LOL

 

[Rebels57]

Kase...

Czech SENIOR NATIONAL TEAM PP2 on debut. Ran a PP1 in SHL for a year.

Sushko? Lead the Phantoms in non-PP goals... on PP2 for the Belarus national team even when a 13th fwd at time.



Lehigh Valley Phantoms? Chris Stewart, Kurtis Gabriel, Pascal Laberge get PP time over you.


And like NAK, both work their arse off in the DZ, so not like being sent a lesson or anything.

Scott Gordon is a scourge upon our organization.

 

[VladDrag]

Scott Gordon is a scourge upon our organization.

You hope it's him, and not an organizational flaw to try in fit players into 'roles'.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Sounds like the kinda guy you'd like to have in the bottom 6.

Sounds like the kinda guy you'd like to have in the bottom 6, if you were a modern NHL team and not the Flyers.

You forgot that last bit.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hope he can be a tad more durable than his brother, you really need both brothers, like Triumphs, one for spare parts.

This feels ethically questionable

 

[deadhead]

Kase has been slowed by injuries more than anything else, dinged up a lot the last couple years, then COVID last year:
2014-15: 78g
2015-16: 84g, 2 points in 30 games in top Czech league
2016-17: 70g, 9 points in 32 games in top Czech league, 6 in 15 PO games
2017-18: 53g, 23 points in 44 SHL games at 20 years old
2018-19: 40g, 23 points in 40 AHL games at 21 years old (2 PP goals)
2019-20: 57g, 19 points in 51 AHL games at 22 years old (all ES)

 

[Larry44]

Sounds like the kinda guy you'd like to have in the bottom 6, if you were a modern NHL team and not the Flyers.

You forgot that last bit.

Kase is a great little player. Very smart and resourceful. Shifty and devious and a little pain in the butt. Another prospect with NHL skill who needs an opportunity and might not get it.

 

[deadhead]

Well, where do you play him?
3C is Patrick/Frost
3LW is JVR, Laughton or Farabee
3RW is NAK, Farabee or Tanner

The fact that he's playing so well at center makes him both more valuable and harder to fit, it's hard to see him at 4C a year from now over Bunnaman/Rubtsov.

This is going to be a problem for a number of players the next few years, what good teams do is marinate them in the AHL so when they come up they're NHL ready instead of learning on the job (Penguin special), which allows you to let veterans walk instead of paying them and not feel their absence. But at some point you got to trade a few just to make room for the next group (and get something back before they leave as UFAs).

 

[dats81]

Good for Kase that he is making some noise over there in the Czech league. But let's not blow that out of proportion. As a soon to be 24 year old prospect, he should do well there, just like he should theoretically be a high scoring AHLer by now.
The Flyers are so deep right now that I cannot imagine him getting any playing time this year in the NHL unless a major series of injuries.

 

[Appleyard]

Good for Kase that he is making some noise over there in the Czech league. But let's not blow that out of proportion. As a soon to be 24 year old prospect, he should do well there, just like he should theoretically be a high scoring AHLer by now.
The Flyers are so deep right now that I cannot imagine him getting any playing time this year in the NHL unless a major series of injuries.

He scored at a good rate 5v5 in both his AHL seasons... after being ones of the top scorers his age in the SHL on a bad team who hardly scored... and already having made his national team debut.

5v5:

18-19: 0.43 P/GP
19-20: 0.37 P/GP

He has outscored Phantoms top scorer Carey each of the last two years at 5v5... if he had been given PP time (he ran a PP1 in SHL, was on national team PP2 on debut before World Champs 2 years ago, and now runs a PP1 in Extraliga) his scoring rate would likely be pretty impressive.

Albeit no-one scored on the Phantoms last year. Frost was the only player 0ver 0.65 P/GP.


Now, I doubt he will develop into more than a solid 3rd liner.

But we have seen before with NAK, it is hard to have great AHL stats even if (like in NAKs case) you are one of the best 5v5 players in the league when Scott Gordon refuses to put you on the PP.

 

[Appleyard]

Romping.

1g, 1a, 2p in a 2-0 game.

not even 13 minutes into 1st period today.

 

[deadhead]

So we'll have to trade Frost to make room for Kase at center?

 

[Appleyard]

Just walked Red Wings Hronek as well. Made him look silly.

 

[Appleyard]

 

[GapToothedWonder]

He scored at a good rate 5v5 in both his AHL seasons... after being ones of the top scorers his age in the SHL on a bad team who hardly scored... and already having made his national team debut.

5v5:

18-19: 0.43 P/GP
19-20: 0.37 P/GP

He has outscored Phantoms top scorer Carey each of the last two years at 5v5... if he had been given PP time (he ran a PP1 in SHL, was on national team PP2 on debut before World Champs 2 years ago, and now runs a PP1 in Extraliga) his scoring rate would likely be pretty impressive.

Albeit no-one scored on the Phantoms last year. Frost was the only player 0ver 0.65 P/GP.


Now, I doubt he will develop into more than a solid 3rd liner.

But we have seen before with NAK, it is hard to have great AHL stats even if (like in NAKs case) you are one of the best 5v5 players in the league when Scott Gordon refuses to put you on the PP.

You just need to say "when Scott Grodon"