Prospect Info: Round 4, Pick 104: Mikhail Vorobyov, C, Tolpar Ufa (MHL --> KHL)

[Curufinwe]

I imagine this is gonna go like every other impressive youngster we’ve had in camp the last few years. Does well, looks like he should be on the team or at least given a shot all things considered (our current crap depth and his performance history), but he ends up not making the team for reasons.

Provorov and Konecny both made the team as 19 year olds after impressing at the 2016 training camp. Patrick made it as a 19 year old after playing well in the 2017 camp. Sanheim made it as a 21 year old. Do they not count as "youngsters" for some reason?

 

[Garbage Goal]

Provorov and Konecny both made the team as 19 year olds after impressing at the 2016 training camp. Patrick made it as a 19 year old after playing well in the 2017 camp. Sanheim made it as a 21 year old. Do they not count as "youngsters" for some reason?

Your reading comprehension is lacking today. I said making the roster half a year to a year later than they should have, not that they weren’t on the team at all. Nice try picking fights though.

Or did you selectively edit out the part about them making a team because you want to pick an internet fight for reasons?

 

[Curufinwe]

None of the four young players I mentioned made the team half a year to a year later than they should have, so including that part of the quote changes nothing about the point I was making.

You said every impressive youngster made the team half a year to a year later than they should have. That's obviously false.

 

[Philly Fanatik]

Would Artem Anisimov be an NHL comparison for Vorobyev?Two big two-way centers who have offensive upsides!

 

[Larry44]

Would Artem Anisimov be an NHL comparison for Vorobyev?Two big two-way centers who have offensive upsides!

That's fair, but Sean Couturier is the comparison I like best for Vorobyev. Big, skilled 2 way centre. Skates well, passes superbly, has some scoring touch, very strong defensively.

 

[deadhead]

Except Couts dominated juniors and was a NHL player at 18.
Though Vorobyev came out of the KHL which is a very conservative league when it comes to playing young players.
He may be stylistically similar to Couts, but I think there's a sizeable talent gap.

However, I have liked what I've seen from Vorobyev, I think like Rubtsov he has the Russian mentality, which isn't necessarily a bad thing for guys who aren't expected to step right in. They tend to have good fundamentals and discipline, it's a matter of getting them to be more aggressive on offense, which is easier than taking some kid from juniors who just wants to skate and shoot and teach him to play defense.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

That's fair, but Sean Couturier is the comparison I like best for Vorobyev. Big, skilled 2 way centre. Skates well, passes superbly, has some scoring touch, very strong defensively.

I've heard lots of opinions that his skating isn't a plus tool. Not that Coots' was when gee first came here either.

 

[Larry44]

I've heard lots of opinions that his skating isn't a plus tool. Not that Coots' was when gee first came here either.

And, like Couts, he skates just fine. Well enough to be 1C on the Russian WJC team. He's not blazing fast but he has speed and he's very strong on his skates.

Here's a quote from Konecny:

 

[GapToothedWonder]

And, like Couts, he skates just fine. Well enough to be 1C on the Russian WJC team. He's not blazing fast but he has speed and he's very strong on his skates.

Here's a quote from Konecny:

Right, so exactly what I was saying.

 

[Larry44]

Right, so exactly what I was saying.

I was trying to buttress our argument vs. the naysayers.

 

[deadhead]

Your reading comprehension is lacking today. I said making the roster half a year to a year later than they should have, not that they weren’t on the team at all. Nice try picking fights though.

Or did you selectively edit out the part about them making a team because you want to pick an internet fight for reasons?

How do you know when they "should" have made the team?
Relative to other teams, or other prospects?
Does that take into account draft position or talent?
Pittsburgh for example:
Guentzel was 22
Rust 23
Sheanan 22
Sheary 23-24
Maata 19
Dumoulin 24

Vorobyev turns 22 in January, odds are if he doesn't start the season with the team, he'll be up shortly after his birthday.
Given he didn't play a lot in Russia, 72 MHL games, 78 KHL games (with limited PT), 24 International games, and 67 AHL games, I don't think sending him back this fall is "burying" him.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I was trying to buttress our argument vs. the naysayers.

Haha fair enough. I'm assuming the naysayers are the trio of dummies on my blocked list. It can make responses confusing sometimes. My bad.

 

[Stizzle]

A super detailed article breaking down Misha's game yesterday.



TL;DR version...

He finished the game with a score and venue-adjusted CF% of 63.74 at 5-on-5 and a +28.22 CF% rel.

Based on both shot quantity and shot quality, his line with Nicolas Aube-Kubel and Danick Martel were the most effective trio for the Flyers by far. The Vorobyev line played against the Barzal line more than any other Islanders’ trio and they were able to break even in Corsi against them, and even out-chance them three to one. Away from Vorobyev, Barzal had a 80% CF, a hefty jump from a break-even 50.

 

[Audible Velvet]

Couturier lite, it's official.

 

[Curufinwe]

He was the best possession Phantom last season with 20+ GP. Sanheim was ahead of him but played only 18 games.

http://phancystats.com/list.php?id=2017-2018 Phantoms

 

[deadhead]

Those numbers also suggest that Bardreau and De Haas are underrated by Flyer fans.
Does he have playoff numbers?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Those numbers also suggest that Bardreau and De Haas are underrated by Flyer fans.
Does he have playoff numbers?

I only needed to see him in 6 playoff games, in which he was underwhelming, to know that he was completely finished. RIP future.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

This kid is really forcing his way onto a team right now.

 

[Striiker]

Looks good.

I like him.

Hate @Magua

 

[Stizzle]

 

[Tripod]

What is great, is that he played so many minutes in b2b games and looked good.

 

[Striiker]

I’d be surprised if he didn’t make the team at this point.

Clearly they’re taking a good look at him and he’s performing. What more could you ask for?

He’s also not Weal.

 

[Stizzle]

I’d be surprised if he didn’t make the team at this point.

Clearly they’re taking a good look at him and he’s performing. What more could you ask for?

He’s also not Weal.

Don't forget who told you this was going to happen 6 months ago.

 

[Striiker]

Don't forget who told you this was going to happen 6 months ago.

Hey I never doubted you or Vorobyev.

I just wasn’t as hyped.

 

[BritainStix]

He has been my favourite forward prospect for a couple of years. He just does everything right, and by the way the team talk about him, he must be a funny dude in the changing room. Hes always smiling.