Prospect Info: Round 2, Pick #50: Adam Ginning, D, Linkoping HC (SHL)

[Appleyard]

Lumbering skater, mediocre hockey sense, poor puck skills, & meh defensive abilities.


Alec Regula will always be the one who got away for me in the 2018 draft...

tbh I think his skating is fine. Can move in a straight line and has okay edges.

But yeh, his passing and reading game needs to improve.

 

[TB87]

tbh I think his skating is fine. Can move in a straight line and has okay edges.

But yeh, his passing and reading game needs to improve.

Lateral quickness hasn’t seen really any improvement since he was drafted. Passing & his ability to receive passes needs work.

Chasing hits may be the most frustrating aspect of his game though

 

[Starat327]

Lateral quickness hasn’t seen really any improvement since he was drafted. Passing & his ability to receive passes needs work.

Chasing hits may be the most frustrating aspect of his game though

Hagg 2.0, step right up.

 

[Tripod]

Saw the thread bump, thought he must have won Top Dman of the WJC. I was wrong.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

His skating has never been nearly as bad as some make it out to be.

Some act like he’s cement-footed, but he’s not. He’s not a burner, but not a “plodder.” His feet are decent & he has the tools to keep improving his skating, like many do as they enter their 20s.

 

[Starat327]

Saw the thread bump, thought he must have won Top Dman of the WJC. I was wrong.

He won the tournament before it even started, that's how good he is.

 

[Striiker]

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[Larry44]

His skating has never been nearly as bad as some make it out to be.

Some act like he’s cement-footed, but he’s not. He’s not a burner, but not a “plodder.” His feet are decent & he has the tools to keep improving his skating, like many do as they enter their 20s.

He must have something to offer, the Swedes keep naming him captain of their national teams. Let's hope he finds a way to round out his game and make the NHL.

 

[Magua]

Ginning is okay in stride. I wouldn't praise it, but for a big guy, it's not noteworthy bad either. But his short area skating is messy. He has clumsy feet -- burst, pivots, cross overs. Combine that with a generally off-balance appearance and poor hockey sense, where he is always reacting instead of dictating, and you have a guy who too often looks like he has two left feet defending. And that's just the defensive off-puck side of his game. You know......his "strength."

 

[pit]

He seems very aware of where he needs to improve to get to the next level

Is it...

 

[Starat327]

Ginning is okay in stride. I wouldn't praise it, but for a big guy, it's not noteworthy bad either. But his short area skating is messy. He has clumsy feet -- burst, pivots, cross overs. Combine that with a generally off-balance appearance and poor hockey sense, where he is always reacting instead of dictating, and you have a guy who too often looks like he has two left feet defending. And that's just the defensive off-puck side of his game. You know......his "strength."

If this wasnt a Ginning thread, I 100% would believe it to be the Hagg thread based on this description.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Since Ginning is supposedly incompetent at everything, I thought these two recent plays which somehow went unmentioned in this thread deserved notice.

Stolen from Appleyard's article.

 

[deadhead]

He's a big 19 year old defenseman, I'll wait until he's 22.
Same with Ratcliffe and his first AHL season, I'll wait a couple years until he fills out.

A lot of big players take longer to mature, as long as there is contract space and no cap implications, what's the big deal?
People want to gamble on undersized players with skill, well, most of them don't work out, you only remember the ones that do.
Same with big players with some modicum of skating ability.

Flyers have been drafting lots of skilled lottery tickets (Kase, Kalynuk, etc), so they drafted a few big gambles?
The odds odds of a player lasting for 400+ NHL games (i.e. a starting player) is:
21% from picks 31-50, 15% from picks 51-100, and about 7% for the rest of the draft.
So they're all crap shots after the 1st rd (which is why you should rarely trade 1st rd picks).

 

[Ghosts Beer]

He's a big 19 year old defenseman, I'll wait until he's 22.
Same with Ratcliffe and his first AHL season, I'll wait a couple years until he fills out.

A lot of big players take longer to mature, as long as there is contract space and no cap implications, what's the big deal?
People want to gamble on undersized players with skill, well, most of them don't work out, you only remember the ones that do.
Same with big players with some modicum of skating ability.

Flyers have been drafting lots of skilled lottery tickets (Kase, Kalynuk, etc), so they drafted a few big gambles?
The odds odds of a player lasting for 400+ NHL games (i.e. a starting player) is:
21% from picks 31-50, 15% from picks 51-100, and about 7% for the rest of the draft.
So they're all crap shots after the 1st rd (which is why you should rarely trade 1st rd picks).

Yup. Big players often develop on a later curve.

Some have a hatred for players who aren’t flashy & offensive.

Same thing with the reaction to the Braun trade.

They are convinced that you should have a lineup with all offensive players.

It overlooks the importance of the PK & how there are tons of huge power forwards in the league to deal with.

 

[Tripod]

Just checking, so defense counts for some Dmen, but doesn't matter for other Dmen? Huh. Cool.

I hope Ginning gets better and makes the NHL. Never want to waste a pick especially a 2nd rounder. With the pipeline of good LHD prospects we have, it might not ever be with us but he is still an asset.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It matters if they can be used in important & difficult defensive situations, like PK & defensive zone draws.

 

[Rebels57]

Just checking, so defense counts for some Dmen, but doesn't matter for other Dmen? Huh. Cool.

I hope Ginning gets better and makes the NHL. Never want to waste a pick especially a 2nd rounder. With the pipeline of good LHD prospects we have, it might not ever be with us but he is still an asset.

I just hope he doesn't make the NHL WITHOUT getting better. That's a distinct possibility.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I don’t get all of the excuse making for Ginning. I assume because he was a 2nd rd pick.

 

[Starat327]

I don’t get all of the excuse making for Ginning. I assume because he was a 2nd rd pick.

Lolz this is gud.

 

[deadhead]

I don’t get all of the excuse making for Ginning. I assume because he was a 2nd rd pick.

More because he's 19.
Outside of the top 20 picks, how many draft picks make the NHL before they're 22, if at all?

 

[Striiker]

I don’t get all of the excuse making for Ginning. I assume because he was a 2nd rd pick.

It’s because he’s bad offensively, big, and fits with the contrarian routine.

 

[Starat327]

It’s because he’s bad offensively, big, and fits with the contrarian routine.

I forget, is it ok to be bad offensively this week? Or was that last week and its ok to be bad defensively this week?

 

[Striiker]

I forget, is it ok to be bad offensively this week? Or was that last week and its ok to be bad defensively this week?

Depends on how Ghost is playing. If he’s doing well it doesn’t matter, if he has a bad game then it’s the only thing that matters.

 

[Appleyard]

Has been recalled from loan and back at Linkoping in the SHL.

 

[baudib1]

Seems impossible that we're the only team that can't draft good Swedish defensemen.