Prospect Info: Round 2, Pick #50: Adam Ginning, D, Linkoping HC (SHL)

[Yabob]

What happens when an NHL lock, toted for his maturity and pro experience, averages under 10 minutes for Linkoping, which is 5 minutes less than last season and 1.5 minutes less than his draft year, and gets sent down to the junior league? How do we spin that as a positive?

TOI can be deceiving. Last season the team hade plenty of injuries on their best d-men, so the rest of them (Ginning included) got more TOI than they really should have had based on their skills.

For this season they also have a new GM and a new head coach, both of which are a lot more demanding than to old ones. The players that perform best will get the most TOI now (which wasn't always true in the past).

 

[PK16]

TOI can be deceiving. Last season the team hade plenty of injuries on their best d-men, so the rest of them (Ginning included) got more TOI than they really should have had based on their skills.

For this season they also have a new GM and a new head coach, both of which are a lot more demanding than to old ones. The players that perform best will get the most TOI now (which wasn't always true in the past).

I appreciate the information, but it still does not make a strong case for a positive developmental trajectory for Ginning. I guess he may not be performing as well as other D on the team?

 

[deadhead]

I appreciate the information, but it still does not make a strong case for a positive developmental trajectory for Ginning. I guess he may not be performing as well as other D on the team?

Holes 32
Larsson 28
Larsson 24
Lindroth 23
Myllari 28
Lundmark 19 is the only other "young" defenseman.
#51 pick in 2019 draft, last year 28g 0-3 0 -9, this year 9g 0-1 1 -4, [Ginning is 9 months older]
(Bjorkman at 20, is injured, 13 SHL 2017-18, Allsvenskan last season)

SHL is NOT a development league, teams play to win so it's hard for young players to earn PT.

 

[PK16]

Holes 32
Larsson 28
Larsson 24
Lindroth 23
Myllari 28
Lundmark 19 is the only other "young" defenseman.
#51 pick in 2019 draft, last year 28g 0-3 0 -9, this year 9g 0-1 1 -4, [Ginning is 9 months older]
(Bjorkman at 20, is injured, 13 SHL 2017-18, Allsvenskan last season)

SHL is NOT a development league, teams play to win so it's hard for young players to earn PT.

So based on Yabob's comment, the players playing best will get the most playing time (regardless of age), so Ginning, must not be playing well relative to others. BTW, I never suggested that the SHL was a development league, rather, that Ginning does not seem to be progressing as well as some suggested he would, thus, the decrease in playing time.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

No, not a great sign that Ginning got demoted, but Linkoping is a struggling franchise and they're going with older vets on D right now. Ginning is still only 19. On the bright side, he has 2 goals and 1 assist in 3 games in the SuperElite.

 

[deadhead]

So based on Yabob's comment, the players playing best will get the most playing time (regardless of age), so Ginning, must not be playing well relative to others. BTW, I never suggested that the SHL was a development league, rather, that Ginning does not seem to be progressing as well as some suggested he would, thus, the decrease in playing time.

Yabob pointed out that his PT last year was partially due to injuries by veteran defensemen.

With a full compliment of veteran defenseman, Ginning's minutes were reduced, and Lundmark has only played 9 games (similar level of prospect as a #51 pick). So it's hard to read a lot into this other than Ginning isn't an elite prospect, which isn't exactly front page news.

 

[PK16]

Yabob pointed out that his PT last year was partially due to injuries by veteran defensemen.

With a full compliment of veteran defenseman, Ginning's minutes were reduced, and Lundmark has only played 9 games (similar level of prospect as a #51 pick). So it's hard to read a lot into this other than Ginning isn't an elite prospect, which isn't exactly front page news.

The point is I think that there are some on this site that think he is a better prospect than he is, and he clearly has not shown it. Maybe things will change in the future.

 

[Curufinwe]

He was ranked #26 in the prospect polls and Twarynski was #29, so if anything he's overrated on here.

 

[Appleyard]

All this talk on Ginning...

but his team-mate Lycksell has been their best player so far this year, in the SHL! Having turned 20 10 weeks ago.

 

[Jtown]

Just Scored his first goal in the SHL today

 

[Tripod]

Just Scored his first goal in the SHL today

 

[Jtown]

he has been dare i say "en fuego"
lately

 

[Appleyard]

Genuinely might be on PP for them as well given their D.

 

[Striiker]

I wonder if the people who said he's good because he plays in the SHL will change their tune. You know, to be consistent.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

I wonder if the people who said he's good because he plays in the SHL will change their tune. You know, to be consistent.

I will say he’s still good, just to raise your blood pressure.

 

[Striiker]

I will say he’s still good, just to raise your blood pressure.

Their nonsense isn't angering, it's hilarious.

 

[Magua]

While I'm more than content with Ginning, Alec Regula wouldn't have been a bad pick at 50. Hindsight is 20-20 though *checks page 1*.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

While I'm more than content with Ginning, Alec Regula wouldn't have been a bad pick at 50. Hindsight is 20-20 though *checks page 1*.

It feels like Wyatt Earp belongs on a list with someone named Declan Chisholm more than Wyatt Wylie does.

 

[deadhead]

While I'm more than content with Ginning, Alec Regula wouldn't have been a bad pick at 50. Hindsight is 20-20 though *checks page 1*.

And 32 teams should have drafted Myers and Zamula. Hindsight IS 20-20.

 

[deadhead]

Ginning is still only 19, he should be in the CHL instead of Allsvenskan.

 

[Magua]

Ginning is still only 19, he should be in the CHL instead of Allsvenskan.

That's not how this works when his singular shining beacon of prospect awesomeness, for you included, was his SHL games played: showing his maturity, NHL lock floor, etc., etc. Can't play the development angle now for a player with almost no tools, except physical maturity.

And 32 teams should have drafted Myers and Zamula. Hindsight IS 20-20.

Zamula and Myers had unremarkable draft years by the stats. One was a scrawny Russian import, traded once already; the other struggled through injuries and 2 years of mediocre Q numbers. You'd like to wishfully think some scouting guru would sniff their latent talent out in a late round, but such is life. It happens.

Regula was a ~3rd round type who played big minutes for the most notable junior team in the CHL. The conceited joke was I had him in the low 40s and said immediately after we took Ginning that Regula was the 6'4, defensive defenseman worth taking at that pick for a slew of reasons, including puck skills, age, developmental arc, handedness.

 

[deadhead]

It's just amusing how much energy people put into Ginning, you'd think with Hagg around they'd have enough dogs to kick.

Even the best drafting teams miss out on half their 2nd and 3rd round picks, and 50% in that part of the draft is a great batting average.
(19% of 2nd rd picks play 400 games, 16% of 3rd rd picks)
I don't care who they could have taken, since that's water under the bridge (except if it's a trend, i.e. the batting average falls to or below league average).
I realize you have a chance to crow, so crow away. You are one of the few here with any real knowledge and judgement of draft prospects.

Ginning did play a bunch of games in the SHL at a young age, that is a positive, Sweden isn't Switzerland, where decent players are few and far between.
I don't think anyone expects Ginning to be more than a 3rd pair defenseman, but being demoted to Allsvenskan at 19 isn't exactly the kiss of death for a Swedish prospect. And it is a good opportunity for him to hone his offensive skills in a less pressured situation.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Ginning demoted. Vorobyev promoted. Tough week for some.

 

[deadhead]

Ginning demoted. Vorobyev promoted. Tough week for some.

Only those who don't have lives and whose egos depend on likes on a message board.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Only those who don't have lives and whose egos depend on likes on a message board.

So you're saying I'm safe? Cool, thanks buddy.