Roster turnover

[datsyukfan]

After watching tonight’s game I think I’ve hit absolute rock bottom for this team and how pathetic it really is. So wanted to make a post with regards to which players from this current roster should actually be on the roster next year

Players that are locks imo:

Larkin
Mantha
Bertuzzi
Fabbri
Hronek
Dekeyser
Zadina

Bubble

Nemeth (could be traded)
Helm (could be traded)
Glendening (close to a lock but could be dealt)
Filppula (could be traded)
Bernier (same as Glendinning)

should be gone
Howard
Perlini
Erne
Ehn
Biega
Bowey
Golabeth (sorry for spelling)
Abdelkader (send you GR if he won’t report terminate like Buff did with gudbranson)
Nielsen (same as abdelkader)


Too soon to tell

Gagner
Timashov

prospect bubble

lindstrom
Smith
Cholowski

in terms of current roster with the few regular callops (cholo, Smith, lindstrom) this is what I would do if I were Stevie with this current roster.

5 forward and 2 D are the only ones I feel that should truly be safe for next seasons roster, the rest we should be exploring ways to change this roster. This team cannot go through a season as historically bad as they have this season I really feel it will affect our core pieces moving forward in a negative way. There is just way to much losing and way too little of competitiveness on this roster. This team needs to at least look like an NHL team next season even if it is going to be near the bottom of the standings.

sorry for the rant but a very frustrating season and I’m very concerned about the environment that the larkins, mantha’s, Hronek’s, etc are in right now and don’t want it to affect their development

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[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

The problem is that we can't really go big game hunting in UFA. We're not at that point yet. I feel it may take a huge overpayment to get guys to sign here as UFAs. While we will have the cap to do that it could hurt us in the longterm scheme of a rebuild.

Our tradable assets are gone. We have guys like Larkin that obviously have value but much more so to the team. Their returns at this point wouldn't be enough to justify moving them.

I think we have to suck it up and just keep drafting. Flip guys not in our long term plans for whatever you can get and draft, draft, draft.

We will suck again next year and the year after that but if we do well on the development side we could see a turn around in the three years.

Pray for luck in the lottery.

I see pain in our future.

 

[kliq]

After watching tonight’s game I think I’ve hit absolute rock bottom for this team and how pathetic it really is. So wanted to make a post with regards to which players from this current roster should actually be on the roster next year

Players that are locks imo:

Larkin
Mantha
Bertuzzi
Fabbri
Hronek
Dekeyser
Zadina

Bubble

Nemeth (could be traded)
Helm (could be traded)
Glendening (close to a lock but could be dealt)
Filppula (could be traded)
Bernier (same as Glendinning)

should be gone
Howard
Perlini
Erne
Ehn
Biega
Bowey
Golabeth (sorry for spelling)
Abdelkader (send you GR if he won’t report terminate like Buff did with gudbranson)
Nielsen (same as abdelkader)


Too soon to tell

Gagner
Timashov

prospect bubble

lindstrom
Smith
Cholowski

in terms of current roster with the few regular callops (cholo, Smith, lindstrom) this is what I would do if I were Stevie with this current roster.

5 forward and 2 D are the only ones I feel that should truly be safe for next seasons roster, the rest we should be exploring ways to change this roster. This team cannot go through a season as historically bad as they have this season I really feel it will affect our core pieces moving forward in a negative way. There is just way to much losing and way too little of competitiveness on this roster. This team needs to at least look like an NHL team next season even if it is going to be near the bottom of the standings.

sorry for the rant but a very frustrating season and I’m very concerned about the environment that the larkins, mantha’s, Hronek’s, etc are in right now and don’t want it to affect their development

Ya I hear you, and it really is a double edged sword. When Holland was here, he did everything he could to prevent this from happening, but problem with doing that is it effects your chances of landing a top pick which is evident by us never doing better the #6. On the flip side, doing what we are doing now can hurt the development of our current core, including the trade value of any players we are going to be moving (ie. AA). Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[datsyukfan]

Ya I hear you, and it really is a double edged sword. When Holland was here, he did everything he could to prevent this from happening, but problem with doing that is it effects your chances of landing a top pick which is evident by us never doing better the #6. On the flip side, doing what we are doing now can hurt the development of our current core, including the trade value of any players we are going to be moving (ie. AA). Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

ya I’m just very concerned with the losing and how bad it is. It’s wearing on a guy like larkin which is concerning.

for me I say there needs to be 3-4 veteran forwards on this team(true over 30 players) that can play a solid depth game (2rd/4th line) and the rest need to be kids. Same with on the backend.

my problem is guys like Erne, Perlini, Ehn just are not good at all, they shouldn’t be here. But the big issue is Nielsen and abdelkader. I’m sorry but they both need to go all they’ve shown this year is that you can be complete garbage, be in the lineup almost every night and collect a fat paycheck and be an assistant captain. Bury these 2 losers and send a message that the organization is not okay with this.

 

[DatsDeking]

I think my biggest concern is that when we start to be competitive again if Larkin, Mantha, and Bertuzzi will be on the decline. Sure we’ll have more young guys like Zadina and those coming up, but if those three are on the down swing, we’re gonna be retooling around that too.

 

[PullHard]

Even if Yzerman was able to sign say Krug, Holtby/ Lehner, Toffoli ... this team is still going to crater next season

There is nothing that can realistically happen in one offseason to drastically change how badly this team will do next year

It will be a slow but steady rise for a couple years IMO, then when guys like Seider, Zadina, our pick this year are hitting their stride and fully acclimated, we could spike up a bit in the standings and start to push for a wildcard spot (assuming Boston and Tampa are starting to become average at this point)

 

[lilidk]

I think my biggest concern is that when we start to be competitive again if Larkin, Mantha, and Bertuzzi will be on the decline. Sure we’ll have more young guys like Zadina and those coming up, but if those three are on the down swing, we’re gonna be retooling around that too.

Saturday we are playing against Ottawa. They have 6 picks in first 2 rounds, why , because they really retooling, trading untouchable guys. For some reason they are still better than us. If I was SY, I'd trade both Mantha and Larkin. In 5 years we will compete and we have great prospect pool. Meanwhile we can have team full of Helm and Smith and few playmakers , bunch of hard nose , like Grewe. It will be fun and we will pick high end talent

 

[kliq]

I think my biggest concern is that when we start to be competitive again if Larkin, Mantha, and Bertuzzi will be on the decline. Sure we’ll have more young guys like Zadina and those coming up, but if those three are on the down swing, we’re gonna be retooling around that too.

Anything can happen, but if we draft properly this should not be an issue. Larkin is 23, Bert is 25 and Mantha is 25, thats more then young enough. Hockey players just begin playing in the NHL so early compared to most other sports. To put it into perspective, Joe Burrow who is the sure fire #1 overall pick this year in the NFL draft is 23, same age as Larkin. Nobody would suggest that Cincinnati trade him because he's too old. Larkin just "feels" older because he has played in the NHL already for 4.5 years.

Only concern I have is Mantha with his injury history. Kid needs to stop fighting.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Bert-Larkin-Mantha
Fabbri- **UFA 2C -Zadina

Granlund $4.75M/1-2yr ("reprove his worth contract"), make him play C again, he can't be worse than Flip/Nielsen etc.

Gagner?-Ras?-Timashov?
Svech-LGD-Helm
Smith

*UFA LD (Brodie plays Right side, but he's LHS/Krug)-Hronek
DDK-Seider
Nemeth-Lidstrom
Bowey

(Lehner/Halak/Markstrom)
Bernier

*If we miss out on LHS Krug/Brodie, all LHD slot up 1 pairing & Cholo/Bowey fight for 6th spot. I mean literally fight, gloves off, judo chops @ center ice kinda stuff. Fun for the whole family.

**If we "miss out" on Granlund, seek a 50pt+ 2-way 2C under age 25, but not older than 29 on a short term deal, ideally not over $4.9M.

1st Callups: Veleno/Turgeon/Cholo

Offseason trades: Flip (upto 50% retention) for 3rd?

Dumps (let walk): Perlini/Ehn/Erne/Howard/Brodziak/Big E/Daley/Biega/Goloubef. Don't retread Green. Edit: Nielsen & Abby to GR as mentors.

 

[Reddwit]

Holland saddled us with a bunch of fake veterans. I’ve seen so much bitching about the kids and tearing down Larkin this year and here I am wondering how we got to a point where expectations are so low for over $25 million worth of veteran players that people barely even bother complaining about them anymore.

Words can’t describe how disappointed I am in those guys. Abdelkader. Wow. Green. Nothing. Nielsen. Who?? Helm and Glendening this year? Inconsistent at best. Howard?!? I don’t even think Cleary was this bad. And Daley? Nobody loves you, bro.

And just for good measure, let me call him out one more time: Abdelkader was treated like a face of this organization while riding the coattails of Datsyuk, touted to anyone who would listen as the guy who plays the right way, “pulls the piano,” is a team player, and then the second this team rolls into the gutter, Abby himself rolls over?! We needed what he was supposed to be this year. Not a goal scorer. Not a 1st line wing - a guy who played like he cared and did it “the right way” while being compensated mightily for it. And he’s given us nothing.

With that off my chest, I think a different coach could come in and turn the locker room on its side and with a couple roster adjustments, that could be enough to get us back to respectability. Things change fast in this league.

 

[ArmChairGM89]

Yeah. I didn’t expect the loosing to have the effect it’s having so soon. These guys look totally dejected after games. If we don’t do something, they’re going to want out. We need the lottery win, not just for the player, but for guys like Larkin and Mantha. I think it might even help them get a little optimism back.

I’ve been against firing Blashill for a while. I almost think it needs to happen now, if just to show the players you care about the team.

 

[Oddbob]

Holland saddled us with a bunch of fake veterans. I’ve seen so much bitching about the kids and tearing down Larkin this year and here I am wondering how we got to a point where expectations are so low for over $25 million worth of veteran players that people barely even bother complaining about them anymore.

Words can’t describe how disappointed I am in those guys. Abdelkader. Wow. Green. Nothing. Nielsen. Who?? Helm and Glendening this year? Inconsistent at best. Howard?!? I don’t even think Cleary was this bad. And Daley? Nobody loves you, bro.

And just for good measure, let me call him out one more time: Abdelkader was treated like a face of this organization while riding the coattails of Datsyuk, touted to anyone who would listen as the guy who plays the right way, “pulls the piano,” is a team player, and then the second this team rolls into the gutter, Abby himself rolls over?! We needed what he was supposed to be this year. Not a goal scorer. Not a 1st line wing - a guy who played like he cared and did it “the right way” while being compensated mightily for it. And he’s given us nothing.

With that off my chest, I think a different coach could come in and turn the locker room on its side and with a couple roster adjustments, that could be enough to get us back to respectability. Things change fast in this league.

Not disagreeing with most, but Helm and Glendening have both been very good in their roles this year.

 

[Frk It]

Even if Yzerman was able to sign say Krug, Holtby/ Lehner, Toffoli ... this team is still going to crater next season

There is nothing that can realistically happen in one offseason to drastically change how badly this team will do next year

It will be a slow but steady rise for a couple years IMO, then when guys like Seider, Zadina, our pick this year are hitting their stride and fully acclimated, we could spike up a bit in the standings and start to push for a wildcard spot (assuming Boston and Tampa are starting to become average at this point)

Simple 3 step process

1- draft Lafreniere
2- sign Krug
3- sign RNH

Betuzzi-Larkin-Mantha
Lafreniere-RNH-Zadina
XXXX-Rasmussen-XXXX
XXXX-Glendening-XXXX

Krug-Hronek/Seider
Dekeyser-Hronek/Seider
Nemeth-Lindstrom

Don’t know if it would be a playoff team, but they would be competitive. I’ll be very curious to see what moves happen if we are fortunate enough to land the #1 selection. I think it will trigger some more aggressive moves and may even make us more desirable to prospective coaches/UFA.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Simple 3 step process

1- draft Lafreniere
2- sign Krug
3- sign RNH

Betuzzi-Larkin-Mantha
Lafreniere-RNH-Zadina
XXXX-Rasmussen-XXXX
XXXX-Glendening-XXXX

Krug-Hronek/Seider
Dekeyser-Hronek/Seider
Nemeth-Lindstrom

Don’t know if it would be a playoff team, but they would be competitive. I’ll be very curious to see what moves happen if we are fortunate enough to land the #1 selection. I think it will trigger some more aggressive moves and may even make us more desirable to prospective coaches/UFA.

RNH is not UFA til summer 2021. I'd keep Fabbri in top6, LaFreniere can break into the league w/Ras on 3rd to develop chemistry & beat up on 3rd/4th lines. LaF can get PP2 time also.-*

 

[Henkka]

We won't be as bad at next season. Many changes coming. New coach, millions used on positive valued players etc. kids promoted up.

I'm quite sure the Yzerplan really triggers itself from next off-season. Better team will also rebound some players trade values.

 

[Winger98]

We won't be as bad at next season. Many changes coming. New coach, millions used on positive valued players etc. kids promoted up.

I'm quite sure the Yzerplan really triggers itself from next off-season. Better team will also rebound some players trade values.

Low bar, Henkka.

The Wings are going to have to reinvest some of the money the expiring contracts free up, they just don't have enough players to ice a hockey team outside of promoting McIlrath, Hicketts, and Puempel and calling it a day. Finding someone able to contribute more to the roster than Ericsson, daley, Biega, etc. shouldn't be overly difficult.

At the same time, those improvements could equal signing a couple of guys like Andy Greene and Matt Irwin.

I'm expecting something like:

Bert-Larkin-Mantha
Fabbri-Flip-Zadina
Helm-Nielsen-Svechnikov (if his knee allows it)
Smith-Glendening-Gator
Timoshev, Erne

Dekeyser-Hronek
Nemeth-seider
Greene-Lindstrom
Sekera

Over the course of the season we see Flip, Glendening, Helm, and Nemeth dealt away, and kids promoted up. But another ugly year.

 

[ThePuckStopsHere]

I think they’ll be ok if they land a top 2 pick and get another coach. If not, watch out.

Then again, Stevie didn’t win his first Cup till he was 31.

 

[Oddbob]

Low bar, Henkka.

The Wings are going to have to reinvest some of the money the expiring contracts free up, they just don't have enough players to ice a hockey team outside of promoting McIlrath, Hicketts, and Puempel and calling it a day. Finding someone able to contribute more to the roster than Ericsson, daley, Biega, etc. shouldn't be overly difficult.

At the same time, those improvements could equal signing a couple of guys like Andy Greene and Matt Irwin.

I'm expecting something like:

Bert-Larkin-Mantha
Fabbri-Flip-Zadina
Helm-Nielsen-Svechnikov (if his knee allows it)
Smith-Glendening-Gator
Timoshev, Erne

Dekeyser-Hronek
Nemeth-seider
Greene-Lindstrom
Sekera

Over the course of the season we see Flip, Glendening, Helm, and Nemeth dealt away, and kids promoted up. But another ugly year.

Who is Greene?

 

[TCNorthstars]

Who is Greene?

Andy Greene, formerly of the NJ Devils, recently traded to the Islanders. Good old Michigan boy. Not a fancy player, but a solid one. Always liked him.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I would 100% send Nielsen to GR and/or find a way to terminate his contract

Helm and Glenny stay as trade deadline 2021 chips

Sign a few cheap UFA's to flip at the deadline. Stay at home responsible dmen if you can and a center like Staal and that's it

Hopefully we draft 1st and get Laf

Dekeyser, Lindstrom and Zadina will be here fulltime

Leave Valeno and Seider in GR for another year

Go hard after Lehner in free agency

Let all UFAs walk

Laf-larkin-mantha
Bert-staal-zadina
Svech-gagner/filp-fabbri
Smith-glenny-helm

Dekeyser-hronek
Hamonic/vatanen-lindstrom
Nemeth-cholo

Lehner
Bernier

New Coach

 

[ArmChairGM89]

I would 100% send Nielsen to GR and/or find a way to terminate his contract

Helm and Glenny stay as trade deadline 2021 chips

Sign a few cheap UFA's to flip at the deadline. Stay at home responsible dmen if you can and a center like Staal and that's it

Hopefully we draft 1st and get Laf

Dekeyser, Lindstrom and Zadina will be here fulltime

Leave Valeno and Seider in GR for another year

Go hard after Lehner in free agency

Let all UFAs walk

Laf-larkin-mantha
Bert-staal-zadina
Svech-gagner/filp-fabbri
Smith-glenny-helm

Dekeyser-hronek
Hamonic/vatanen-lindstrom
Nemeth-cholo

Lehner
Bernier

New Coach

Don’t look terrible

 

[Frk It]

RNH is not UFA til summer 2021. I'd keep Fabbri in top6, LaFreniere can break into the league w/Ras on 3rd to develop chemistry & beat up on 3rd/4th lines. LaF can get PP2 time also.-*

Damn... my dream plan ruined before it even started.

Guess we will have to get Grigorenko to come over from Russia then.

 

[taliababa]

I can't wait for Larkin to become some other teams Frans Nielsen.

 

[Retire91]

Some of these players are still locked into contracts, how do you propose they are gone without paying another team to take them or buying them out which adds cap unnecessarily for an even longer extended period. Please accept the fact that there is nothing you can do immediately to this team that does anything but start a Holland like cycle of perpetual declining mediocrity.

Krug for example. Your solution is to have our number 1 D to build around be an over paid undersized powerplay specialist who is 28, when our core is 24, with term? You might as well bring back Holland while you are at it. Please stop proposing band-aide solutions and enjoy the remainder of Holland's handywork while Yzerman waits things out so as not to start the cycle of perpetual mediocrity.

You Holland apologists had your peak 2012-2017. Let the Yzerman supporters have some room to clean up Holland's mess before we make sweeping, negative, and unnecessary changes.

 

[ArmChairGM89]

Some of these players are still locked into contracts, how do you propose they are gone without paying another team to take them or buying them out which adds cap unnecessarily for an even longer extended period. Please accept the fact that there is nothing you can do immediately to this team that does anything but start a Holland like cycle of perpetual declining mediocrity.

Krug for example. Your solution is to have our number 1 D to build around be an over paid undersized powerplay specialist who is 28, when our core is 24, with term? You might as well bring back Holland while you are at it. Please stop proposing band-aide solutions and enjoy the remainder of Holland's handywork while Yzerman waits things out until so as not to start the cycle of perpetual mediocrity.

You Holland apologists had your peak 2012-2017. Let the Yzerman supporters have some room to clean up Holland's mess before we make sweeping, negative, and unnecessary changes.

I am a Holland apologist and still agree with your assessment. You don’t hand money or term to a free agent older than your core. And I’m of the belief Yzerman feels the same way.

also Yzerman has buried vet contracts in the ahl even though there is minimal cap relief. We don’t need the relief. It’s about playin like shit and getting them off the team. He also bought out vets that were once stars. So the people saying he won’t do those things are off base.

I wouldn’t be surprised if aby and or Nielsen are sent down or bought out in the off-season.