Roster Speculation Pt. IX

[SundherDome]

Sure, just replace half your defense in one off-season, easy enough. Don't worry about the fact your offense still needs improvements, too.

I didn't say it would be easy but that's Botts job. Now he needs to go f***ing do it.

 

[KeyserSoze81]

I didn't say it would be easy but that's Botts job. Now he needs to go ****ing do it.

So what your saying is that we will trade a 3rd round pick for some middling 6th/7th defenseman and call it a day? Cool!

 

[gallagt01]

This is a player I could get behind paying above market value to on a mid-term (3-4 years) deal.

Instant upgrade to the bottom six. Fills a role. Shouldn't be a crippling cap number.

 

[Sabreality]

haha nice, offer sheet talk, I'll believe it when I see another one again. (its been 6+ years)

 

[Fjordy]

Copp would be a good depth enhancement.

 

[GellMann]

This is a player I could get behind paying above market value to on a mid-term (3-4 years) deal.

Instant upgrade to the bottom six. Fills a role. Shouldn't be a crippling cap number.

Sign Tanev as well, and we have 2/3rds of an actual 3rd line. Ripped right off of a forward-deep playoff team

 

[Zip15]

I like Tanev better than Copp, and Tanev only costs money while Copp would cost money and a 2nd rounder if we went the OS route. I'd much rather pursue legitimate top-6 forwards - and **** the Leafs in the process - by hitting them with an OS on Johnsson or Kapanen.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

7 years of offer sheet talk on here vs. zero sheets actually being offered over that time. Surprised to see that people actually think it's a thing that happens anymore.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Firstly, Nelson will likely sign for more than 5.5 per year, especially if it's in Buffalo.

Next, I don't think he'd be close to the player here that you describe in your last sentence.

Lastly, this is the kind of contract teams grow to regret.

He may cost more then 5.5 to come to this horrid location but he is not getting 7 mil per. 6 is likely his high end.

And Nelson some how if given decent ice time and line mates wouldn't come close to scoring 20-25 goals and 55 points even though he has scored 19+ goals the last 5 years straight including 2 25+ goal seasons. He finally got more then 15:30 a game in ice time and scored 53 points. Has been damn good this post season and has 2 of the 4 GWG for the Isles.

Moulson
Okposo

Now Nelson... nope.. done with the Islanders player experiment

Because he plays for the Isles that automatically disqualifies him? Nelson didn't get to get carried by Tavares. He is a 20-25 goal scorer on his own getting 16 minutes a game. Nelson is nothing like Moulson or Okposo.



Good luck finding a quality 2C without either trading several assets, several mil per in cap space or both. 7 mil for Hayes is applauded around here but a hypothetical 5.5 for Nelson is somehow Moulson 2.0

Nelson is a very good skater and fast. Moulson and Okposo are very slow and are horrible skaters. Nelson is not a star but please, he is easily the 2C on this roster and would be the 4th best forward. This team had 3 forwards who scored 20g and 50+ points. And that will go down to 2 when Skinner likely walks. Nelson did both. Oh and his zone starts are skewed heavily in the DZ. He only has 1 season in his career where he received more ozs then dzs, so it cannot be said that Nelson is only productive due to linemates, deployment or PP.

100 of the 123 career goals Nelson has are at ES. He has 5 straight 19+ goal seasons. He had never gotten 16 minutes a game prior to this season. A fast good skating 2C who will score you 20 goals and 50 points mainly at ES is clearly not needed

Pickings are slim in free agency, unless you think we somehow can convince Matt Duchene to sign here (while paying him 9+ per). 5.5 per for 20-25 goals at center is fine. Does not even come close to Okposo. 5.5 per in 19-20 is far more affordable then 6.0 per in 16-17.

When you have literally 2 20 goal scorers under contract for next season it is pretty comical to turn your nose up at one who would only cost cap and not assets. Nelsons skating ability means he will continue to score 20-25 goals a season for the next half decade. Okposo and Moulson hit a brick wall in their early 30s because they are awful skaters.

And Kevin Hayes at 7 per is not a better option then Nelson for 1.5 mil per less. They are nearly identical production wise. Both have their first 50+ point seasons this past year. Hayes has 1 20+ goal season and Nelson has 4. They are a year apart. Hayes has size, Nelson has speed. We shall see though if Nelson continues to have a quality post season I doubt the Isles let him walk.

 

[Aladyyn]

Brock Nelson before Barry Trotz:

 

[Fjordy]

Duchene, Hayes or Nelson. I hope Botterill throws a fishing rod for some of them, I do not want to see again Sobotka playing 2C. Maybe Wild Bill will be available in Vegas.

 

[Kublakhan]

By any means necessary Botts has to find a legit 2c in the off season ..

 

[Uberpecker]

I think we'd all enjoy it for the year where Scandella or Sobotka would've been on our books. The real question is how we'll feel about it if he continues to be a 5-10 goal, 30-35 point center at nearly $5M per for three more years after we would've been rid of Scandella's or Sobotka's contract.

You pay a late round pick to give the guy a spin for a year. He's shown the ability in the past, he's still young. If he shows he can be a 2/3C again, you got a player for cheap. If not, you buy him out for a low amount.

 

[KeyserSoze81]

Brock Nelson before Barry Trotz:

ie The performance that we would get (new team, worse coach, not in a contract year). We need players who do well in spite of their terrible coaches and losing environment. Are there any metrics to measure masochism?

 

[Chainshot]

This is a player I could get behind paying above market value to on a mid-term (3-4 years) deal.

Instant upgrade to the bottom six. Fills a role. Shouldn't be a crippling cap number.

Perrault seems like the easier depth wing to get out of the Jets. I'm sure they see the value Copp brings and will be making others moves to lighten their salary structure to continue to accommodate him.

 

[Chainshot]

So what your saying is that we will trade a 3rd round pick for some middling 6th/7th defenseman and call it a day? Cool!

Considering he sent two defensemen who played regular shifts for playoff teams -- one of which is still alive -- for a 6th and a 7th, perhaps he might aim to use that trio of 6ths in a better fashion.

By any means necessary Botts has to find a legit 2c in the off season ..

"Legit" legit? Or Botterill-thinks-he's-legit?

 

[Fearnot]

Does anyone else feel hopeful some GM's are gonna make some desperate/stupid moves and get rid of quality players that we can take advantage of?

 

[truthbluth]

Does anyone else feel hopeful some GM's are gonna make some desperate/stupid moves and get rid of quality players that we can take advantage of?

No.
We are the team with the desperate and stupid GM.

 

[Jame]

The odds a pretty high that Botts acquires Eakins along with some other Hunwick like dump from Vegas... right?

I already hate it

 

[Chainshot]

The odds a pretty high that Botts acquires Eakins along with some other Hunwick like dump from Vegas... right?

I already hate it

He ticks the boxes for being both an analytic turd and at a position of need.

 

[Chainshot]

Does anyone else feel hopeful some GM's are gonna make some desperate/stupid moves and get rid of quality players that we can take advantage of?

No.
We are the team with the desperate and stupid GM.

This. What is the gambling analogy? That if you can’t identify the mark in the room, you are the mark? Botts is the mark.

 

[Husko]

So what do we think of Jake Gardiner?

 

[Team Cozens]

So what do we think of Jake Gardiner?

Came to ask the same question. To me it all depends on the cost, he would be a free asset if the price is right.

 

[Gabrielor]

So what do we think of Jake Gardiner?

If we were ever to play Boston in game 7, we’re totally f***ed with him.

That aside, he isn’t really what we need on the left side.

 

[Jim Bob]

So what do we think of Jake Gardiner?

I think he will get overpaid on 7/1.

I wouldn't mind him on the roster. But, it would take a bad contract to get him on the Sabres.