Speculation: Roster Speculation Part VII

[Team Cozens]

Would anyone give up all 3 1sts for Huberdeau?

Would Florida do it?

No, not a chance would we do that.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Actually the difference is that you’ll have another really good forward on a team that lacks secondary scoring.

Secondary scoring won't help overcome an AHL calibre D outside of Dahlin - who would probably get destroyed in the process.

I feel the regular Risto bashers really don't grasp just how over worked & mis managed his Sabres career has been.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Nylander + SJ 1st + Guhle/2nd for Huberdeau

9-9.8 mil per for Stone. I wouldn't approve if it went over 9.5.

I like Stone a lot...wanted TM to trade for Stone when he first got hired, but the FA market is already going to inflate his new contract into the 9 mil range. Paying him more than Eichel is wrong on two levels (value and salary structure) and might not even be possible depending on how much dead weight Botterill can ditch over the summer.

Edit - to make a Huberdeau trade work (which I really doubt happens), Botterill needs to ditch a bad contract like Beaulieu (likely) or Scandella/Hunwick (doubtful).

 

[truthbluth]

Every single GAR chart looks like this. Every one.
Tableau Public
You guys aren’t that into Stone because he isn’t a burner, I get it. But the best wingers in the league are Kucherov, Kane and Stone, probably in that order. Panarin, Pasternak, Hall and Marner are in the next tier.
He’s almost definitely the best defensive winger in the league, and puts up points on a shit Ottawa team to boot.
$11M this year is $10M last year.
$9M ain’t getting it done.

 

[Icicle]

Huberdau is worth paying for. Can’t give up too many cheap futures though or this team is going to be cap hamstrung in short order.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

If we really wanted to shakeup the forwards:

Nylander + 1st for Huberdeau
Skinner for 1st on the basis the below happens
OS to Marner so big the Leafs can't match. Losing 4 1sts would hurt big time but he is absolutely an exception & we'd still have two this year.
Sign Eric Staal as a UFA to a big money 1-2 year deal (basically until we have to pay Dahlin)

Hopefully try to find a long term partner for Dahlin somewhere else along the line.

 

[Djp]

11M for Stone I'd do in a heart beat. His value is probably around 9M. Getting him for free would justify the 2M in cap space lost.

3 1sts for Huberdeau...well frankly I don't really trust this team to draft well in the teens. Huberdeau is locked up on a great contract, he's in his prime and he's a PPG winger.

In case you haven't noticed we suck at wing

Skinner and Reinhart suck at winger?

Yiu can’t afford huberdeau and Stone ...that’s $46M for 6 forwards.

 

[Snippit]

I'm sorry i know im going to flagged but 11 million for stone is ****ing ******ed, stone is not a top 5 player in the league he should not be paid like one

Getting a top 10 winger for free + 1-2M in dead cap is worth it every day of the week in my book.

 

[Snippit]

Skinner and Reinhart suck at winger?

Yiu can’t afford huberdeau and Stone ...that’s $46M for 6 forwards.

It was a one or the other suggestion. And yes after Sam and Jeff we are not good at wing...

 

[1972]

No, not a chance would we do that.

I’d do 2 of them.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

After Pominville and Moulson coming off the cap this summer, I'd love to see Botterill dump all of Sobotka (7th), Sheary (3rd), Scandella (6th) Beaulieu (5th), and Hunwick (7th) to gain 24 mil in cap space and go wild on Stone or Duchene or (fill in your favorite UFA).

 

[Team Cozens]

I’d do 2 of them.

I would trade 2 firsts (plus) for a player like Rickard Rakell, Brandon Montour, Sean Couturier or a signed Stone.

 

[wnysupport]

Every team or most have bad contracts, you’re not going to be able to just dump every contract no matter how much you wish it.

 

[sabremike]

After Pominville and Moulson coming off the cap this summer, I'd love to see Botterill dump all of Sobotka (7th), Sheary (3rd), Scandella (6th) Beaulieu (5th), and Hunwick (7th) to gain 24 mil in cap space and go wild on Stone or Duchene or (fill in your favorite UFA).

That would be great but we are a toxic factory of sadness and failure that no top line free agent is seriously going to consider, and if they answer our calls it's just to use us as leverage to get a better deal from where they really want to go. There is a price to be paid when you are a dysfunctional laughing stock (which was the biggest reason making the playoffs this season was so important: to get rid of the stink of being a basket case loser organization).

 

[GellMann]

Marner is actually worth 4 firsts though.

Huberdeau is a decent player on a good contract - but he's not in the same stratosphere.

Trading 3 firsts for him is completely mind boggling.

I'd extend to a first plus Nylander. That should be enough to land him & if another team beats that offer its overpayment.

This is an alarmingly bad take.

 

[Snippit]

After Pominville and Moulson coming off the cap this summer, I'd love to see Botterill dump all of Sobotka (7th), Sheary (3rd), Scandella (6th) Beaulieu (5th), and Hunwick (7th) to gain 24 mil in cap space and go wild on Stone or Duchene or (fill in your favorite UFA).

We have 28.5M for next year. Skinner, McCabe, Girgs, Larsson, Smith, ERod, and Ullmark will need to be re-signed.

I think we'll be able to target a big FA without trading away a contract...but I could see him moving one of them just to be sure.

 

[SundherDome]

Still think Girgs gets moved. Contender could offer something nice for him.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Who do you value more RoR or Huberdeau? I personally think Huberdeau is more valueable. And when the RoR trade happened we all said we didn’t get enough for a player who wanted out, was a cancer, etc.

We can start with a first, a very good prospect and a roster player.

Nylander + Rodrigues + 1st? Is that even enough? Maybe they want Guhle too.

I value ROR more for his two way play and being a natural center. Huberdeau can play center, might have better vision and playmaking then ROR but has nowhere near the defensive acumen as ROR does.

I dont think it would take that much, a late 2st, Sabres 2nd × Nylander or Guhle could probably get it done.

 

[sabremike]

Still think Girgs gets moved. Contender could offer something nice for him.

When you have precious few useful NHL players on your roster it is a real bad idea to trade one for what will almost certainly be either a 2nd or 3rd round pick and NOT a player.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

 

[Aladyyn]

He really isn't.

Do you honestly think he is worth similar to JT who was the biggest UFA to hit the market in a decade or more & who plays a position /role of much higher importance?

There is no way he is worth a bigger contract than Eichel even as a UFA.

People coming out with this type of comment reminds me of the 'Sam >Jack' crowd. Probably the same people with this kind of hipster thinking.

Stone is better than Tavares

 

[MayDayMayDay]

Huberdeau
Pysyk

for

Nylander
1st
Scandella
2nd

 

[GellMann]

Under a different username I made a chart like that earlier this season, but I tracked 2Cs by minutes played rather than 4th-place-minutes (though there is a lot of overlap there among NHL teams of course). Great to see we're still dead last by a lot

 

[Rowley Birkin]

This is an alarmingly bad take.

It isn't.

Tell me the last time a player was traded for three upcoming first round picks...

If he gets moved I guess we'll see who is right.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Stone is better than Tavares

So my point above re the 'Sam > Jack' crowd just got proven right.

Don't get me wrong - I think Stone is a very good all round player. But he's not 'elite'. He isn't that ultra dynamic type who is worth top money in the league.

If a team were to give him 11 per they would end up regretting it.