Speculation: Roster Speculation Part VI: The Trade Deadline Approaches

[Yultron]

I would do Nylander for Virtanen

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Most of the counter offers are worse than the OP.

 

[ZZamboni]

Yep. Clearly what's being said.

Acting like a 6 year veteran who has been one of the worst players in his own zone in the league all 6 years is some player we shouldn't explore trading because he flips tires in the off season is grasping at nothing.

I can’t find a poster that mentioned this as a reason why they wouldn’t explore a trade....

 

[Uberpecker]

I haven't watched Vancouver at all these past few years, but my memory of virtanen as a prospect was all tools, no toolbox. Has he progressed?

If not, I fear we would need an extremely high IQ center to work with him, which is something we're lacking at the moment. It would be the Evander Kane situation all over again.

Also, Virtanen was reported to have character issues iirc. Something that can get blown out of proportion with young players sometimes, but is still a red flag.

 

[ZZamboni]

Also, Virtanen was reported to have character issues iirc. Something that can get blown out of proportion with young players sometimes, but is still a red flag.

Can you find that report? Not doubting you.

It just would be interesting as to who the “report” was from. Some legit source, or a poser with a Twitter account, or something else...

 

[DJN21]

I would do Nylander for Virtanen

I'd love to add Virtanen but that price is just a tad steep only because Nylander holds more value I'd imagine around the league at this point. I'm not a Nylander believer and would do that swap on a personal level today, but I also view Nylander as a great potential trade chip for a higher end player and that's my only reasoning for saying no to this.

 

[Uberpecker]

Can you find that report? Not doubting you.

It just would be interesting as to who the “report” was from. Some legit source, or a poser with a Twitter account, or something else...

There was talk on here in his player thread and on reddit of him partying too much and having weight/conditioning issues. Some of it documented apparently on his own later deleted social media.

Look, I'm not one to spread any rumors, it's just what I remembered and as I said, things often get blown out of proportion. But given how heavily criticized e.g. Evander Kane got for something simlar (minus the conditioning issues), I was kind of surprised no one mentioned it with the current Virtanen talk.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Nylander for Tierney and a 2nd.

 

[Moskau]

Nylander for Tierney and a 2nd.

Take out Tierney and you have something close to fair value.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Take out Tierney and you have something close to fair value.

I'm as down on Nylander as anyone... disliked the pick from the moment it was made. But he's not worth just a 2nd.

Not that Sens fans are the be all-end all, but their board makes this deal all day.

 

[Gordo21]

I'm as down on Nylander as anyone... disliked the pick from the moment it was made. But he's not worth just a 2nd.

Not that Sens fans are the be all-end all, but their board makes this deal all day.

That's because Tierney's nothing special

 

[Der Jaeger]

That's because Tierney's nothing special

He's a 3C who can play 2C for a while.

 

[buffalojedwardo]

just keep Nylander....if we aren't ready to make a push don't mortgage the future.

 

[Moskau]

I'm as down on Nylander as anyone... disliked the pick from the moment it was made. But he's not worth just a 2nd.

Not that Sens fans are the be all-end all, but their board makes this deal all day.

Assuming Ottawa has their own 2nd here but that's basically a late 1st. I would say that's very close to Nylander's value at this point. Look around at the amount of recent 1st round picks, even high ones, that have gotten traded for almost nothing just a few years after being drafted. There's a point of no return with many of these picks where you can either recoup a small portion of what you paid to draft them or they're basically throw aways in trades. Nylander is quickly approaching that. Dylan Strome did a hell of a lot more in the AHL and he was packaged with #12 overall Perlini for #20 overall Schmaltz. Which is probably part of the reason Botteril is keeping Nylander in the AHL. Because he will tank his value even more struggling in the NHL the same way Strome and Perlini did.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Assuming Ottawa has their own 2nd here but that's basically a late 1st. I would say that's very close to Nylander's value at this point. Look around at the amount of recent 1st round picks, even high ones, that have gotten traded for almost nothing just a few years after being drafted. There's a point of no return with many of these picks where you can either recoup a small portion of what you paid to draft them or they're basically throw aways in trades. Nylander is quickly approaching that. Dylan Strome did a hell of a lot more in the AHL and he was packaged with #12 overall Perlini for #20 overall Schmaltz. Which is probably part of the reason Botteril is keeping Nylander in the AHL. Because he will tank his value even more struggling in the NHL the same way Strome and Perlini did.

Why are you using draft pick to value actual NHLers?

Schmaltz is a 50 point top 6 forward who can play on a top line.

He was traded for Perlini, a 30 point forward playing bottom 6 minutes but loaded with potential; and Strome, who has top draft pick potential.

If Nylander stays on pace he'll match Strome's last season in Tucson. Same age in AHL production.

 

[Moskau]

If Nylander stays on pace he'll match Strome's last season in Tucson. Same age in AHL production.

If Nylander stays on his current pace he's going to barely surpass last seasons totals. He has 7 points in the last 2 months.

 

[TheStorm]

I would just trade Nylander before he's worth nothing

 

[Moskau]

I would just trade Nylander before he's worth nothing

At this point he's probably already worth very little. If there isn't a trade out there to convert him into another struggling player of similar status (at this point you're probably looking at Honka/Fleury caliber players) then the best bet would be to plug him into the NHL and hope he's a better NHL player than AHL player. He wouldn't be the first and his passenger mentality might work with talented line mates. Too bad we have 0 NHL caliber centers to play him with. The problem is that if you call him up and stick him Vlad Sobotka for the last 30 games of the season and he puts up 2 points because Sobotka is shit then it gets real hard to convince other teams he's worth trading for.

 

[Yultron]

I'd love to add Virtanen but that price is just a tad steep only because Nylander holds more value I'd imagine around the league at this point. I'm not a Nylander believer and would do that swap on a personal level today, but I also view Nylander as a great potential trade chip for a higher end player and that's my only reasoning for saying no to this.

I know I’m just getting really really frustrated with Nylander , 3 goals in his last 20 games . This is Nylanders last chance too prove himself and yes I know he started off well but his consistency has been horrendous as of late and is looking likely too finish the season with 40 - 45 points .

I’m all for trading him at the deadline for another big name younger player . It sucks beacsue I had high hopes for him this year but he just can’t put it together which is really sad because The Amerks have a great team

Honestly if he’s still here at the Deadkine I would just recall him and put him on Middlestadts or Eichels wing and just see what happens

 

[krt88nc]

What would make you think Hughes is the throw in? I think Risto is worth more than Hughes so the add is Virtanen.

NO WAY Vancouver ever considers this!

 

[Reddawg]

Friedman says Dallas is shopping Janmark, he’s blindingly fast and played a lot of center in Sweden. Having a rough year but has definitely shown he can score in the past. Worth a look?

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Friedman says Dallas is shopping Janmark, he’s blindingly fast and played a lot of center in Sweden. Having a rough year but has definitely shown he can score in the past. Worth a look?

Yes. I would hope Janmark for Nylander could happen. It's not my ideal player acquisition, or my ideal return for Nylander, but Nylander is teetering (and I say that graciously) on bust, and Janmark is better than his trade value right now. Janmark probably isn't the answer at C, but could probably be more effective than Sobotka, and certainly be a good addition on the wing.

I think Nylander is being kept in Rochester because he will fall flat in Buffalo, and Botterill is hoping to increase his trade value by collecting points in the AHL...except Nylander is ruining that plan right now. Worst draft selection since Persson over Nick Foligno.

 

[Reddawg]

After getting Skinner for a bag of spare parts, I don’t think we have to give up Nylander to get Janmark, personally. I think Beaulieu and a 4th would probably get it done.

 

[Vito_81]

I think Nylander is being kept in Rochester because he will fall flat in Buffalo, and Botterill is hoping to increase his trade value by collecting points in the AHL...except Nylander is ruining that plan right now. Worst draft selection since Persson over Nick Foligno.

Not even close. Persson didn’t even sniff the NHL.

Further to that, Nylander’s still in the AHL because he’s only 20 and there’s no need to rush him. Especially with Botts running things.

He may never live up to the hype of 8th overall. And he may never be more than a 10-15 goal 3rd line winger. But he’ll be in the NHL.

 

[Chainshot]

Friedman says Dallas is shopping Janmark, he’s blindingly fast and played a lot of center in Sweden. Having a rough year but has definitely shown he can score in the past. Worth a look?

He is an NHL winger. It depends on the cost.