How is Tropp going to fight in his Lector mask? He's still protecting a broken jaw. I know he dusted Rinaldo's ass a few years ago, but he's not ready for that right now.
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How is Tropp going to fight in his Lector mask? He's still protecting a broken jaw. I know he dusted Rinaldo's ass a few years ago, but he's not ready for that right now.
I wouldnt be surprised if McCormick's game last night gets him a day in the press box
Nolan said the guys have to "earn" whatever they get and McCormick did just that last night. Betting he's in the lineup though.
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agreed that it was not his best game defensively but 1 game would be tough to justify a sitting.
It was the second part of that tweet that pisses me off:
He can be a shutdown center in this league. Instead, we're getting a good LW3 with our 14th overall pick. Between Grigs looking like a bust, and Girgensons being relegated to the wing, I think we're right back to where we were on draft day 2012. They need to address the center position (again) in this draft.
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Even without the mask I don't want him being the one to pick up the fighting chores.
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Nolan said he feels he can be a star power winger. No idea why thats a bad thing. Larsson can be the shutdown center.
And I agree they should still keep looking to address center. Though its odd you post that and dismiss elsewhere the idea of giving up assets for Schenn.
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If Grigorenko was putting up 3 PPG in the Q like he should have been would you be calling him a bust? You can't use his NHL body of work because he wasn't ready. Simple as that.
I also hope to god they aren't thinking they can fix immediate needs through a draft. Regier tried that and according to you it busted Grigorenko. So how is that something you want them to do again? You pick the BPA that fits the organizational direction. I'm fairly confident that even under the new GM the team wants to go with a faster team that works hard and is big.
I stated my reasons for not being too interested in Schenn, primarily that he's not very good defensively and would require somewhat sheltered minutes and a majority of O-Zone starts. I don't think his offensive upside is as high as many do. I think he's similar to Hodgson. I don't want two of those on the team, especially if we're still tinkering with Grigorenko for the foreseeable future.
Getting a guy like ROR (who can play center well) or Couturier? Hell yeah, go do it. Getting another offensive center without a good two-way game? Pass.
In that case, he'd be developing properly. I'm not pinning the fact he looks to be a bust entirely on him. His game has warts, though, and he wasn't ready. It was a lethal combination. And I'm not sure I see a way out. I could see him in Russia in a couple years.
Where did I say I wanted them to draft a center and rush him to the NHL? They need to be stronger down the middle. Outside of Hodgson, who has his flaws, they don't appear to have a single top-6 center prospect right now. But, with that said, I would not want Reinhart or any other player on this roster next year if he isn't ready.
After listening to Nolan's Presser today, I'm still scratching my head for a sensible rationale on why they're moving Girgensons to the Wing. What he was saying did not compute for me.
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Nolan's not the most eloquent guy. What he should have said (with a little of my own guessing) is something like this:
"While I liked what Girgensons did at center these past three games, the brain trust of this organization determined he has more upside at wing. We believe he can be a good, shutdown center in this league, but at wing, his offensive abilities will have more opportunities to develop. Given his already-sound two-way game and nose for the neck, we believe he could be a top-six powerforward--and one of the more complete ones in the NHL at that. Due to organizational strength in the bottom six and the possibility for guys like Larsson or Compher to assume the third-line pivot role in the future, we believe it more important for Girgensons to work on scoring goals and being an absolute bull for this organization. Ted Nolan out, *****es."
ADAM, McNABB RECALLED, EXCITED TO BE BACK
26 Matt Moulson – 19 Cody Hodgson – 21 Drew Stafford
72 Luke Adam – 9 Steve Ott – 28 Zemgus Girgensons
82 Marcus Foligno – 23 Ville Leino – 25 Mikhail Grigorenko
65 Brian Flynn – 8 Cody McCormick – 78 Corey Tropp
32 John Scott
10 Christian Ehrhoff – 3 Mark Pysyk
20 Henrik Tallinder – 57 Tyler Myers
6 Mike Weber – 4 Jamie McBain
44 Brayden McNabb
30 Ryan Miller
1 Jhonas Enroth
Did Not Skate: 63 Tyler Ennis
26 Matt Moulson – 19 Cody Hodgson – 21 Drew Stafford
72 Luke Adam – 9 Steve Ott – 28 Zemgus Girgensons
82 Marcus Foligno – 23 Ville Leino – 25 Mikhail Grigorenko
65 Brian Flynn – 8 Cody McCormick – 78 Corey Tropp
32 John Scott
10 Christian Ehrhoff – 3 Mark Pysyk
20 Henrik Tallinder – 57 Tyler Myers
6 Mike Weber – 4 Jamie McBain
44 Brayden McNabb
30 Ryan Miller
1 Jhonas Enroth
Did Not Skate: 63 Tyler Ennis
Oh I'm not saying you think whomever we pick needs to be rushed. Although I do feel that organizations that have a high profile prospect that fills a hole can sometimes rush them I think LaFontaine and Nolan have shown that wont be the case with them here.
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I think Larsson has top 6 potential, though that's his high upside. Grigorenko also has top 6 potential. We're thin all around at top 6 potential. Hopefully this draft addresses that problem. I agree with you statement about rushing prospects.
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Which again brings me back to your curious stance that Schenn should not be acquired. The simple fact is his acquisition would improve our center position and our offensive talent pool. His game has issues to be worked through but its still developing. He is only 22 years old and added bonus he can play wing. So he doesn't have to be the answer at center long term if better options come along.
No idea why chances shouldn't be taken because the possible options (in this case Schenn) aren't the perfect do everything centers. Your stance seems to be any center acquisition has to be the dream top 6 center that can shutdown the opposition while scoring. If they're not don't bother pursuing them. As a side note Grigs is irrelevant to the discussion. He is so far removed right now from being part of the discussion as a top 6 center.
Adding Schenn would give us a top 6 forward prospect that plays center and wing. We aren't building a Cup roster for next year so who cares if he and Hodgson are the top two centers.
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If Patty is focusing on the GM search, I wonder who is working the phones right now when it comes to trades. Devine? Do you guys think he has the chops for that? Do you think Patty is handling both duties?
LaFontaine said they already have had calls on players, as of his pressers last week. Whoever is fielding the calls, it's probably more of a collective thing -- "hey, so-and-so is interested in _____ " like a high-priced VA.
I wouldn't expect any deals until they get the new GM on board, unless someone really blows their socks off.
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Ranger fan coming in peace,
What is Buffalo's take on McBain?
Are they resigning him or would he be someone they were willing to move?
Would Del Zotto for him work?
I am not a huge Del Zotto fan so no reason to rip him apart, just wondering if McBain is a player they are going forward with and if Del Zotto would be too much or not enough value going back the other way considering they are both, I think, arbitration eligible RFA to be players. Maybe a swap of players where neither team is in love with the idea of going forward with them?
Or if they even want anything other than picks and prospects for whomever they move?
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What is Buffalo's take on McBain?
Are they resigning him or would he be someone they were willing to move?
Would Del Zotto for him work?
I am not a huge Del Zotto fan so no reason to rip him apart, just wondering if McBain is a player they are going forward with and if Del Zotto would be too much or not enough value going back the other way considering they are both, I think, arbitration eligible RFA to be players. Maybe a swap of players where neither team is in love with the idea of going forward with them?
Or if they even want anything other than picks and prospects for whomever they move?
Thanks
Buffalo would need to add to shuffle McBain for MDZ. McBain is a PP specialist, third pairing defenseman who a team needs to shelter to be most effective. Granted, that's not possible in Sabreland, where he's getting a regular shift and PKing duties.
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Or they just want to work him at wing to get more NHL experience under his belt.
This team does have a history of converting wingers to centers, so who knows what position ZG will be in 2 years down the road.
struckbyaparkedcar
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DZ > McBain as a player and as an asset, and I say this as somebody who's been ripped by Rags fans for calling MDZ a borderline top 4 defenseman. You'd probably want Stafford as the centerpiece, or more accurately, the idea of Drew Stafford, with McBain as a throw in.
That being said, he's not good enough at playing defense to add anything to Buffalo's blueline right now. They have enough bodies now and in the future who are going to need the sheltered, offensive minutes MDZ does in order to succeed.
Michael Peca was worked in on RW before moving to the middle full time, if we look at their most successful version of that. And Nolan had a hand in that.
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