Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXV: Calm Before the Storm

[Ardi44]

I could see Arizona being interested in paying nicely to swap Fast with Grabner. Get a big upgrade and get out of Grabner's contract for next year. They really need some cap flexibility.

frankly, so do we. only way grabner makes any sense whatsoever is if we get out from smiths /staal's contract in addition to Fast

 

[Fireonk]

frankly, so do we. only way grabner makes any sense whatsoever is if we get out from smiths /staal's contract in addition to Fast

Wasn't necessarily vouching for it from our side. Just spitballing some stuff as we wait for real news to come out.

 

[Fitzy]

Is Bracco still not playing for Toronto's AHL club?

I didn't think he'd be a good Georgiev return but I'm still intrigued to see if he can play at the NHL level. There's an opening here at RW is Fast is moved.

 

[RGY]

frankly, so do we. only way grabner makes any sense whatsoever is if we get out from smiths /staal's contract in addition to Fast

Arizona has no use for Grabner.

We have no use for Smith.

If they can find use for Smith then theres a deal there. If not then we cant afford to give up anything of value. If AZ was willing to retain 50%, which I doubt because I dont think they are that desperate to move him, then maybe we could see what they would want in return for doing that. Any more than a 4th or 5th round pick even with the 50% retained is too much.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Timashov on waivers...worth a look?

Yes hopefully NYR claims him and considers him. More young depth isnt a bad thing

 

[JimmyG89]

Timashov probably doesn't make it past Detroit.

And if he does, Ottawa won't be far behind with their claim. Lots of teams will be in on him with claims.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Timashov probably doesn't make it past Detroit.

And if he does, Ottawa won't be far behind with their claim. Lots of teams will be in on him with claims.

This. Timashov won't last past Ottawa.

 

[Baby Duck Homme]

Is this the de facto trade deadline thread? Will there be one started or do I just check this one for trade rumors and updates?

 

[GAGLine]

While I agree, to be fair couldn’t you have said the same thing about Grabner before he came to the Rangers?

It was a different situation for us at that time. I wouldn't be against it if it results in a net reduction in our cap commitment (ie. Smith for Grabner), but otherwise, no thanks.

interesting. I hadn’t heard about an eye injury. In the same vein as Marc Staal?

the way it appears is that gorton has to be conscious of every dollar. One million saved. Personally, I’d rather not buy out any more players. How much would grabners cap be in the minors?

Moving him to the minors reduces his cap hit by 1.075 mil this year. I assume it will be the same for next year, but I haven't looked. If the league minimum goes up for next year, then the cap reduction will go up, but it wouldn't be more than at 25k difference.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m gonna laugh when Gorton brings the Kreider stuff down to the last minute and then he comes out and says again “well we just ran out of time to do other moves”

 

[gump116]

Continuing the conversation in the last thread, I doubt Buffalo would trade Eichel unless he demands a trade. If he did, I don’t think we’d get him without trading Kakko. He’s easily a top 10 player both in terms of play and value at 23. Guys like that don’t get traded. Would have to be something crazy like Kakko, ADA, Chytil and a 1st and honestly that might be worth it. An offense with Eichel, Panarin, and Zibanejad as the anchors can win the cup with a mediocre supporting cast and we’d be better than that with Buchnevich, Kravtsov etc

 

[Leetch3]

Is Bracco still not playing for Toronto's AHL club?

I didn't think he'd be a good Georgiev return but I'm still intrigued to see if he can play at the NHL level. There's an opening here at RW is Fast is moved.

pretty sure that Fast's spot will go to Kakko...if a spot remains for bracco that means that kravtsov never makes it, gauthier is never better than a 4th liner. bracco is their letteri

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Its gonna be an interesting day.

 

[Salvage21]

Moving him to the minors reduces his cap hit by 1.075 mil this year. I assume it will be the same for next year, but I haven't looked. If the league minimum goes up for next year, then the cap reduction will go up, but it wouldn't be more than at 25k difference.

Thanks! That's pretty significant. And by significant, I mean, in the hypothetical smith for grabner swap, you save a million and also keep him on the roster as fourth liner = The "fast replacement". Or ship him to the minors which clears room for a entry level player to play the bottom six. win win win. Or something like that.

 

[duhmetreE]

What middle 6 center would be available? A player like Dvorak?

 

[Vitto79]

I agree with which ever poster suggested it would be a grabner for smith swap. Save 1 million in cap space. Same amount of years. Trim as much cap off as you can.

Yea save the space with that swap

Grabner still fast but may have blurred vision from his last injury ?

 

[Fireonk]

What about a deal based around Georgiev and Jamieson Rees as the main pieces?

 

[Baby Duck Homme]

We are 26 hours from the deadline and I hear crickets. Kreider got to know if they aren’t close to a contract then he will be dealt.
I joined this board all those years ago for trade updates and prospect info.
What’s the scuttlebutt right now!”?

 

[Salvage21]

Yea save the space with that swap

Grabner still fast but may have blurred vision from his last injury ?

Yeah, that's been brought up a couple of times. It's certainly news to me. I haven't been able to follow the NHL as closely since I switched my work schedule to the sunrise shift. Now I'm in bed by 7pm!

 

[Ardi44]

Wasn't necessarily vouching for it from our side. Just spitballing some stuff as we wait for real news to come out.

oh certainly. i gotcha

 

[bobbop]

Brooks made a great point today, if the Rangers and Kreider can’t agree on a contract, they have no choice but to trade him. As much as it will hurt.

And it will hurt. To my eyes, Kreider is the de facto captain of the team. With the impending departures of Henrik, Staal and the possible losses of Strome and Fast in the next year or two, that doesn’t leave a lot of adults in the room. Young teams need leadership. Mika can’t do it himself.

I continue to hope, as I have all year, that the Rangers find a way to sign Kreider. The opportunity cost of not signing him is massive.

 

[eco's bones]

Arizona has no use for Grabner.

We have no use for Smith.

If they can find use for Smith then theres a deal there. If not then we cant afford to give up anything of value. If AZ was willing to retain 50%, which I doubt because I dont think they are that desperate to move him, then maybe we could see what they would want in return for doing that. Any more than a 4th or 5th round pick even with the 50% retained is too much.

I would actually like us to package Smith with prospects/picks just to get rid of his salary for next year. Say Smith and Gettinger or Smith and a 3rd for some garbage prospect who is not going to effect any more than our 50 contract limit. For instance Smith back to Detroit can still play at the NHL level (better at defense than forward though) for them and Gettinger might actually be able to give them 4th line minutes next year.....and they have the cap space.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

These things usually happen when I'm busy so I just ran up and down the stairs in my building twice (I live on the 34th floor.)

Not only do I feel like I'm going to puke blood, but NOTHING IS HAPPENING.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Brooks made a great point today, if the Rangers and Kreider can’t agree on a contract, they have no choice but to trade him. As much as it will hurt.

And it will hurt. To my eyes, Kreider is the de facto captain of the team. With the impending departures of Henrik, Staal and the possible losses of Strome and Fast in the next year or two, that doesn’t leave a lot of adults in the room. Young teams need leadership. Mika can’t do it himself.

I continue to hope, as I have all year, that the Rangers find a way to sign Kreider. The opportunity cost of not signing him is massive.

I posted this in the last thread, but what if that number has to be 7 years at $7MM per? Or more? A few years down the line that is likely going to make things more difficult to re-sign the Fox's, Chytil's and Kakko's of the world. Also may not allow them to add that final piece to the puzzle. That's the other type of opportunity cost one has to think about in this situation.

Its difficult but if Kreider feels he worth that 7th year and/or the higher salary there is nothing Gorton can do.

Trading ADA is not the solution to offset re-signing Kreider to a larger contract.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Brooks made a great point today, if the Rangers and Kreider can’t agree on a contract, they have no choice but to trade him. As much as it will hurt.

And it will hurt. To my eyes, Kreider is the de facto captain of the team. With the impending departures of Henrik, Staal and the possible losses of Strome and Fast in the next year or two, that doesn’t leave a lot of adults in the room. Young teams need leadership. Mika can’t do it himself.

I continue to hope, as I have all year, that the Rangers find a way to sign Kreider. The opportunity cost of not signing him is massive.

At some point the kids become the adults too. That also isn’t allowing for any trades the Rangers might make to bring it young vets.